Jan Newton - 10:54am Jul 16, 1999 MST (#1101 of 1107)

It's amazing what you can do with just a page number, Holmes! You'll find this of interest: a friend to whom I sent a copy of the Bidev article pointed out that it begins on page 64 and ends on page 81! Now, where have we seen those numbers before! LOL! Bidev also referred to "8" as the chess number - I don't have the article here with me at work so I will look up the exact quote and post it tonight. However, I felt distinct chills of excitement when I read the sentence, given my propensity for that number. And to think this all started just because I read a novel by Katherine Neville. Amazing!

Bidev's comment on the 8 in chess (p. 77):

"One look at chess shows that its structure is built on the basis of number 8. That is the sacred number of Brahmanic caste but its role in the Indian view of life, in mythology, religion, philisophy, in natural and spirtual science, cult and ceremonies, is in fact infinite. Therefore, without any exaggeration, one may say that number 8 represents the national emblem of Indian culture. A similar case is also with the numbers 4, 16, 32 and 64."

CHESS: The number eight can be looked at as two times four, and the sacred significance of this is (and the preponderance of eight in all cultures) references the eight people/four couples on Noah's Ark. Egypt and China originally were monotheistic, but the first polytheism came as the four couples, thought to be immortal because, as God says in Genesis, this will be last long-lived generation. So they looked immortal as post flood folks died off and they lived on and on. Monotheism's PTAH in Egypt replaced by OGDOAD (eight) and SHANG TI in China replaced by EIGHT IMMORTALS, ancestor worship, etc. Please note that the original zodiac consisted of the eight, memorializing the four couples on Noah's Ark whose saga is a cultural universal. Also, modern discovery of Ark by Ron Wyatt and David Fasold in David Fasold's THE ARK OF NOAH quashed. Modern genetics states that there are four gene groupings, true races rooted in Africa (regardless of color i.e., Africans closer to other populations than to other Africans), which is consistent with four couples on Ark. Note: the permutation of genetic types traces through female mitochondria down to one forebear, not many--Eve. The story Moses got out of the Egyptian archives checks out. Thank God!

Greetings, Ann, and thank you for your insights. I, for one, have always believed in those "stories" - as science progresses I think we will see further substantiation of them, and what many now perceive as fiction will become firmly rooted in fact. I noted with particular interest your comment on the "Eight Immortals" in China. The Chinese character for "ship" is derived from the idea of "eight persons in a vessel" (symbol for vessel + symbol for eight + symbol for mouth (or person) = symbol for ship.

(11.25) 1+1+2+5=9             (22.5) 2+2+5=9              (360) 3+6+0=9

                 9+9+9 = 27 mirrored = 72 the angle of the pentagram

                              o                         o        o
                         o         o                        o
                            o   o                      o        o

It is simply amazing how many of the old stories are being proven true. Thanks Ann, and I believe you're right Jan.

Thanks, Lee! Glad to see you're still with us. We appreciate all input. This is about Goddesschess, and is therefore a wide open forum. I may at times make posts that some find offensive, but it is done to make a point, and not just for the sake of being a female jerk! Perhaps I'm taking too much upon myself by saying the following - if so, I know my fellow and fellowess posters will let me have it! - but I think we are all aimed at the same goal, and that is to bring about a major paradigm shift in how people in general think of and view Chess as a game!

This has become a passion in my life, and I never expected it to be so! Today, I spent the greater part of a morning/afternoon on my knees (for the most part) digging around dusty stacks in my local library hunting down some small verification - or repudiation- of a statement I recently came across during my researches on chess history. I found clues - to other things (of course!)- but nothing on what I was seeking. And so, I will continue to hunt, and hunt, and hunt...

For the sake of this forum, I have sent emails zipping far and wide - sometimes with quite unexpected results (eek!); I have spent hours and hours and hours online researching esoteric subjects, and countless more hours in libraries paging and reading through slowly disintegrating tomes to hunt down the merest fragment of a piece of information that might take us all closer to the ultimate goal. I have books stacked up on my bookshelves in the family room and in my den/libary, begging to be read - and all for the sake of The Weave - This Forum! I have, in short, enough to keep me busy for oh, say the next 250 years or so, and then some, unless some one in the meantime gets struck by lightening and comes up with the ultimate answer to the origins of The Game!

Sorry, I see I am foaming at the mouth, LOL! I think I've said more than enough for tonight! Good night, darlings all!

Good afternoon, all! Continuing with more wonderful information from Bidev's article, p. 67:

"Bearing all that in mind I began to search for the corresponding terms in Indian culture. With regard to the holiness of the number 4 the Indians have many terms in mythology, religion and philosophy with chatur: chaturveda (4 Vedas), chaturyuga (world seasons), chaturvarna (4 castes), etc. However, I have come upon only one, but significant examle which is in connection with the elements. By the name 'chaturmaharajikas' (means 4 great kings) the Buddhists call the gods of fire, water and earth who dwell in the North, South, East and West, with their suites upon the horses in four different colours. With the term Chaturmaharajikas I have immediately brought in connection the term chaturaji (means four kings), as one calls in Indian the four-handed chess. For that chess two names exist: 'chaturanga' and 'chaturaji'. It used to be played by four players with pieces in four colors. [refers to a diagram here]

"The white and the black are the allies against the yellow and the green. In that game even the Kings could be captured as common pieces.

"To me it has been clear at once that the term four kings is in connection with the elements. The pieces are arranged in the North, South, East and West, each group being coloured differently, just the same case as with the elementary gods - with the Kings and their suites. While v.d. Linde believes that the common chess has developed from the chess of four Kings (Geschichte, I.B.4), Murray (p. 46) considers the two-handed chess probably older than the former.

"How close Murray was to the correct solution of the problem, shows the next example. On pp. 348-49 of his work he mentions a kind of chess which had been described in the manuscript of the Spanish King Alphonso X of Castile (1251-1284). Murray writes: 'IV. (18) Four-handed chess. Ajedrez de los quatros tiempos (f. 87a). The four players symbolized the struggle between the following groups of four [okay, you'll have to forgive my formatting here]:

Seasons: Spring; Summer; Autumn; Winter

Elements: Air; Fire; Earth; Water

Colours: Green; Red; Black; White

Humours: Blood; Choler; Melancholy; Phlegma

More to follow later.

More from Bidev's article, starting at p. 68, where he begins his analysis of the moves of the various Indian chess pieces in support of his theory that "the whole structure of primeval chess is in all of its details in accordance with the old Indian theory of elements." He starts with the piece we call the rook or castle (Turm), which is called ratha (chariot) in Sanskrit. Bidev agreed with Murray and Kohtz that the chariot's move was apparently limited to two squares from the home square either vertically or horizontally, and the piece could also "spring", that is, apparently, jump over a piece on an intervening square. Bidev described the chariot's move (from home square through the smallest possible number of moves necessary to return to its home square) as describing a square encompassing nine squares in total, and tied the symbol of the square to its representation of the earth, both in Indian religious symbolism and the symbolism of other nations. (As we know, Schneider ties the square [tetrad] to the earth and asserts it is a symbol for the goddess, and many ancient religions agree; however, Bidev neither asserted nor acknowledged such a connection).

More later.

Jan ref post #1109 the square can symbolize a cube and a cube has 6 square faces. The cube has 8 corner vertices and 1 center. Those digits look familiar? 8&1 or 81 is a number that relates to the Goddess Isis or Nuit. The cube would be enclosed within a sphere thus the 8 vertices touch the sphere and the cube and the sphere share the same center. The cube is composed of 6 4-sided pyramids that form 3 octahedrals. Each pryamid also has a center thus 5 points + 1 center = 6 and when we multiply (6 pyramids x 6 points) + 1 unity center = 37 ... "Black Madonna" = 37. We find the Goddess again.

37 (matter hydrogen) + 27 (light) = 64

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DNA

Last weekend I was watching the History Channel, they were showing the construction of the Statue of the Goddess Liberty, I noticed that through the center of the statue there is a twin spiral stair case, it reminded me of DNA. Hmmmmmmm

In the Manly D. Hall book, concerning the shape of the number 6, he states that the Pythagorians believed the shape of the number 6 was taken from the shape of sperm, Hmmmmmmm. The only way to see the shape of a sperm is through a microscope. Therefore the ancients had some form of microscope, Hmmmmmmm. When were we told that the microscope was invented? 17th century of 18th century? By whom?

Manna for thought.

LOVE

G

May the Hand of the Goddess Always be with You.

Very interesting!!!

Georgia, that IS interesting. I wonder what the magnification would have to be in order to discern the "6" shape? For example, could one discern the shape on the old microscope I got as a kid in my junior chemistry set (didn't everyone get one of those?) I jumped ahead briefly in Schneider's book to see if he had anything related to say about the 6:

(from p. 181-2) "The Hexad has unique number properties. Six is the first of only two terms within the Dekad composed by the multiplication of two different factors (other than unity). It shares this attribute only with the completed Dekad:

1 = 1x1; 2 = 1x2; 3= 1x3; 4= 2x2; 5= 1x5; 6 = 2x3; 7 = 1x7; 8 = 1x8; 9= 3x3; 10 = 2x5)

"Because six is a doubling of three it partakes of the Triads's principle of balanced structure.

"They [the ancients] also noticed that six is both the sum and product of its divisors, the first three terms (1, 2, and 3). Thus, to the ancients, six represents the parents (1 and 2) of all numbers with their firstborn (3), thus making a completed whole.

"They called it the Perfection of Parts, since six is the only number that is both the sum and product of the same three integers. In fact, the divisors of six (1, 2, and 3) compose the only set of three integers wherein each number divides the sum of the other two.

"Further intrigued by the interplay of two and three, and noticing that 2+3 = 5 and 2x3 = 6, the ancient mathematical philosophers saw in both the Pentad and Hexad different symbols of 'marriage' since they're both formed by the interplay of a female term (two is considered even and female) and a male term (three is odd and considered male). And like biological parents, only five and six generate progeny like themselves; that is, selfmultiplying powers of five always end in a five (5x5 = 25, 5x5x5 = 125, and so on). Likewise, the powers of six necessarily end in a six (6x6 = 36, 6x6x6 = 216, and so on). ..."

Jan and Georgia here is other interesting thoughts on 6 and note a 4 sided pyramid has the 6 (5 points + 1 center)

1x6 =   6            =6
2x6 = 12  = 1+2=3
3x6 = 18   =1+8=9          Notice that 6 3 9 repeats as we go.
4x6 = 24   =2+4=6
5x6 = 30   =3+0=3
6x6 = 36   =3+6=9

We find this same pattern if we add a sequence of three numbers:

0+1+2 = 3
    1+2+3 = 6
        2+3+4 = 9
            3+4+5 = 12 = 3            Notice that  3 6 9 repeats as we go.
                4+5+6 = 15 = 6
                    5+6+7 = 18 = 9

6+3+9 = 18

In number the word "Chess" = 18 and the word "Love"   = 18

1+8=9 and 9 looks just like a 6 spun around 180 degrees and thus
6 also looks like a 9 spun 180 degress (180+180=360 circle)
It actually takes 12 sperm to enter the Egg,  they work together
to allow the "One" to get in. Looks what happens when we use the 12
with the 6 or 9.

12 x 6 = 72        12 x 9 = 108

  72 is the degrees in the five sided pentagram
108 is the number of beads on prayer necklace

72 + 108 = 180

Here is another look at it using the 5 and 6 notice that the two 6's make 12
the number of sperm we mentioned earlier. Christ had 12 desciples and he
was the "One".

6 x 5 x 6 = 180

Mark Borcherding - 06:57am Jul 21, 1999 MST (#1115 of 1124)
dare to dream upon your own star

I found another interesting connection between the Goddess Venus and Chess. The cycle between evening star and morning star for the planet Venus is 584 days the cycle of the mayan Tzolkin is 260 days

260 + 64 + 260 = 584

Here we have 2 cycles of 260 + 64 chess giving the Morning & Evening Goddess

5+8+4 = 17

recall at the end of post #1114        6 x 5 x 6 = 180          6+5+6 = 17

584 / (5+6) = 53.090909090909

In number the words:
"Holy Grail" = 53
"Alpha and Omega" = 53
"One Spirit" = 53
"My Holy Love" = 53

53 + (5+6) = 64

More interesting information on the number 6:
In Bonnie Gaunt's Book, "Beginnings: the Sacred Design", page 62: 6 plays an important part in creation. Look at the forumla for photosynthesis.

6 molecules of carbon dioxide combine with 6 molecules of water to produce one molecule of glucose + 6 oxygen molecules and or 12 oxygen atoms. The foundation material for all organic substance is glucose - a basic ingredient in our DNA.
Terpsy

Vickie your message inspired me to look at the 6 some more. It dawned on me that
the mayan Pacal Votan lived in the years 603 - 683ad and that the year 666 was
between his birth and death. 6+6+6=18  His place at Palenque is called the
"Temple of the Cross". The year 666 would have been his 63rd year and he would
die 17 years later in 683ad and 9 years later in 692 the Temple would be complete.
The year 692 sums to 6+9+2 = 17.

Playing with these numbers a bit more we discover the "Black Madonna" = 37 and the
White Wizard kin 74 of the 260 mayan kin. Kin 37 is called Spectral Earth.

666 / 9 = 74           and             37 + 37 = 74

666 / 37 = 18

In number "Chess" = 18
"Love  = 18

ANNOUNCEMENT!!! We can be heros! - Forever and ever...

Due to mirror worlds having been temporarily collapsed into non locality, (the result of 5 & 6 endeavours - ie. a noble attempt at fusion), Pi & Co. humbly acknowledge that the Goddess chess sorority and fraternity of allied posters have all made it safely across the invisible chasm, beamed aboard via the pilot wave of consciousness that is the rainbow bridge to his/her mythical lair...a seventh heaven of sorts.

Seven is as seven does. But what does seven do? Another Knight move I'll bet.

Anyway, thanks to the divine David Bohm, (as well as a whole pantheon of mystic precursors and spirit guides - too many to name) it is now more than just conceptually possible to exist in two places at once and therefore Yon Castle is no longer a secret hideaway - nor was it ever meant to be! Oz to Kansas! Kansas to Oz!

Archons averted, all have earned freedom of passage even as the chess board and/or mother earth ascend a higher vibrational rung on the celestial ladder and no longer need be regarded as mousetraps for gender-burdened spirit souls or gunshy dragons. Children only, please! If you doubt - just ask the Bishop, an astronaut, or any luminous being. Ask Dorothy. Ask Alice. We're all immortal here!

Six Degrees of Freedom (6-DOF)

The phrase "six degrees of freedom" refers to how many ways a body can move in space, including all translations and rotations.

The 6-DOF motion system can translate along and rotate around three axes: it can translate east-west, north-south, and up-down, and it can also rotate about those same axes. The translations and rotations are independent of each other.

Six is the minimum number of degrees of freedom required to simulate the motion of a free-floating body in space.

Sooo...what comes after six? A cigarette! (Old tantric saying...)

 Don ....

6+7+8 = 21 or 7+7+7

The mayans had 13 layers of Heaven of which the Earth was the 1st layer and they had 9 layers of the Underworld which Earth was also the 1st layer. Thus since Earth was a layer in both there are 21 different layers.  If we start counting at Zero then the chessboard has squares 0-63 and another 21
connection appears 21 + 21 + 21 = 63 and written another way we find this

7 + 7 + 7
7 + 7 + 7
7 + 7 + 7

The 7th mayan glyph is called "Man'Ik" and is symbolic of the planet Earth in the glyph the thumb and first finger of a hand are connected. In mayan this meant 9 or their word was "bolon".  Thus the spirit goddess "Bolon Ik" means "Spirit of Nine" and if we divide 64 / 9 =  7.111111111111...........  we find the 7 with a 1 repeating forever ... the "One" repeating forever.

Now we have the 9 and take that "One" turn of the Knight of 90 degrees

7+8+9 = 24    or 8+8+8    and 8=1+7     24+24+24 = 72 which is 63 + 9

1+7 +  1+7 + 1+7
1+7 +  1+7 + 1+7
1+7 +  1+7 + 1+7

The 17th mayan glyph is called "Caban" or Red Earth and it is symbolic of Earth's sister planet Uranus which is 4 times larger than Earth. Sort of like the base of a pyramid with the planet Earth being the capstone. Look at how the poles of the planet Uranus are postioned they are tilted about 90 degrees (Knight). What would happen if Earth and Uranus connected? There are 6 planetary orbits of between Earth and Uranus

1           2                 3                  4             5             6           (earth to uranus orbits)
Earth    Mars    Asteriod belt    Jupiter    Saturn    Uranus
3           4                 5                   6             7             8           (sun orbits)

If we add the orbits of Earth and Uranus 1+6 =   and 3+8 = 11 and when we add 7 + 11 we get 18

In number the words "Chess" = 18 and "Love" = 18

Ron look closely at these numbers especially the "Asteriod Belt" orbit for we find the numbers of both of your and my spirit names. This planet has held its orbit even after being shattered soley with a magnificent power of "timeless life force" called Love ... to allow time to heal the solar system .... for the time when the third "Blue world of Magick" known as Earth releases the power of hEart and fullfill a very very very ancient prophecy.

Ron spirit name of "Atunmen Ra" = 35
Mark spirit name of "Foton Fonon" = 53

35 + 18 = 53

In number the words "Earth Goddess" = 53

Greetings, all! Don, Georgia has been trying to interest me in learning Yoga but I had been steadfastly declining; thus, you find me totally ignorant of the discipline. I confess I have never heard of the "six degrees of freedom"; nor of David Bohm. Can you enlighten?

"This planet has held its orbit even after being shattered solely with a magnificent power of 'timeless life force' called Love... to allow time to heal the solar system ... for the time when the third 'Blue World of Magick' known as Earth releases the power of hEart and fulfills a very very very ancient prophecy." I am moved to tears, Mark, by the beauty and power of those words. 21+21+21 = 63, the product of 7 and 9; and when we add the "One", we get 64, that which ultimately reduces to "1+0", the alpha and the omega. 63 is wholly divisible by 9, and the "One", or unity, is implied by that wholeness; in the quotient 7.11111... = 64/9, it is explicitly expressed; and look, we have a divine craps game: 7 come 11, and 11, and 11, forever...

Watson observes the following fundamentals, Holmes: 5+6 = 11; and we all know what 1+1 equals.

Mark, I wanted to pick up on a point you expressed in post 1110: "...the square can symbolize a cube...". In intepreting chess to be based upon the Indian conception of the world (the Board) and the elements (the Pieces), Bidev apparently limited himself to a two-dimensional view of the Game. I quote from page 77 of Bidev's article:

"In the Indian conception of the world prevails the opinion that the world is a flat disc (in Sanskrit: jagad-vimbam). The world's game develops in the plane of two dimensions, consequently our chess is two-dimensional. In error are all those reformers of chess who want to change the square of the chessboard to a cube, or something like that, in order to make chess, in their opinion, a true picture of nature. They do not take into account the specific characteristics of the Indian conception of the world. . . . By the way, I mention that our solar system is a flat plate, because the moving in a circle of the planets, satellites, planetoids and comets takes place in two dimensional space."

I'm not certain what Bidev meant when he said that our solar system is a "flat plate" existing in "two dimensional space", because of course we all exist in three dimensional space/time; I infer that perhaps he was referring to traditional drawn representations of our solar system with the large Sun in the center of a piece of paper surrounded by nine concentric circles spreading outward from it - every gradeschool student has probably seen such a diagram in a text book; and he continued the analogy by limiting his comments on the Game to what he must have supposed were the perceptions of two players facing each other across the chess board. There was the game taking place on the board - nominally a "war game", and there was the hidden meaning of the pieces and the board itself - left to be appreciated by the adepts who held the sacred secret, which he perceived to represent a struggle between the forces of light and the forces of darkness.

He did not step beyond this two-dimensionality even though, to paraphrase Bidev's own words when he was addressing Murray's comments with respect to King Alphonso X of Castile's "ajedrez de los quatros tiempos" (p. 68), he was SO CLOSE to the correct solution of the problem! Just why Bidev so limited himself must, I suppose, remain a mystery. He is deceased and I can't ask him. We are left with an "if only".

I was reading "The White Goddess" by Robert Graves and ran across this passage on page 159;

"And Calypso was Daeira, or Aphrodite__again the Wise One of the Sea, the spirit who moved upon the face of the waters."

This passage stuck in my mind for some reason, I didn't know why.

The other day I was watching ourstoric film of the Apollo missions to the Moon and my ear caught one of the astronauts, I think it was the Apollo 8 missionn, quoting from Genesis. Click! So I got out my king james bible and look what I found:

In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.

2 The earth was without form, and void; and darkness was on the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters.

I translate this part of Genesis this way;

In the beginning Goddess created the heavens and the earth.

2 The earth was without form, and void; and darkness was on the face of the deep. And the Spirit of Goddess was hovering over the face of the waters.

3 Then Goddess said, "Let there be light"; and there was light.

I am wondering how much more of the bible is really the Goddesses writings, rewritten (plagiarized) by the MiV?

LOVE

G

May the Hand of the Goddess Always be with You.

From "Beginner's Guide to Constructing the Universe", p. 142:

"The Swiss mathematician Jakob Bernoulli (1654-1705), patriarch of a family of distinguished mathematicians and scientists, devoted a great deal of study to this [Fibonnaci] particular spiral. He discovered its self-accumulating, self-reproducing nature and gave the spiral a motto (perhaps the only one associated with a geometric shape): Eadem mutato resurgo - Although changed, I arise again the same."

Perhaps this is the ultimate key we need to unlock the mysteries of all of the gods and goddesses - and The Game. On one level, it explains the transmogrifications and transformations of goddess to god, god to goddess, back and forth throughout history, sometimes within the same "history", such like the 5 and 6 are neither male/female, or female/male, but have taken on characteristics of and ultimately transcend both!

Ultimately what we call the goddesses and gods are all personifications of a power, a force, an Engima perhaps, that goes beyond anything I can hope to adequately describe, the very essence of which involves each and every one of us (whether we know it or not) on a journey of personal transformation (some of us kicking and screaming, LOL). Georgia made an allusion to the DNA spiral being composed of two strands of "male" and "female"; without either, there would be no DNA. The same principles apply to this journey along the universal Fibonnaci Spiral.

Georgia,

It makes sense that the Goddess gives birth and the Void is like the Womb and birth canal
is like moving across the waters and when you are born you do see Light.

But there is the other side of the story before birth there is conception and that involves Two.
Perhaps we have seen both the power of both Women and Men not written of to reflect their
beauty in Nature in the Bible.

Both Women and Men go thru the birth canal and both are conceived.
By this experience, later they can join as One to concieve another.

Now here is an interesting concept What was the first thing ever born and how was it born?

"Let there be light" = 75 (9 numerology)
"Let there be light" = 156 (26 numerology)

Aliester Crowley wrote about this number 156 in his book "Magick"

 75 = 7+5 = 12 = 1+2 = 3 = 1+2 = 12 = 1+5+6 = 156

3 +  3 + 3 = 9

75 / 9 = 8.3333333333333........

156 / 9 = 17.333333333333........

Notice our 3's are repeating forever and Earth has the 3rd orbit from the Sun
The number 9 has this property as it is the number of Light when Light divides
or concieves it does so without limitation .... forever.

Just a little more "6" stuff culled from Alice Haney's forward regarding Tarot symbolism:

"Key 6 The Lovers. The Lovers is an obvious reference to partnership and marriage, the union of opposite but complementary components. The keyword is discrimination. When we discriminate we set apart and separate in order to see the innate differences between two categories. In this manner, we can tell the true from the false.

All creatures, including humans, have their own unique odor. This is especially important in the animal kingdom; mating, self-protection and preservation all depend upon a keen sense of smell. People discriminate through the sense of smell, which is therefore, and attribute of key 6.

The two human figures represent opposing factors of the one Source, Adam and Eva (her name in the original manuscripts), male and female, positive and negative, and conscious and subconscious minds. These two specialized manifestations of the one life force must become equalized before attaining unity. The male, or conscious mind, looks to the female, or the subconscious mind, which in turn gazes up at the angel, or the super-conscious. Only through this step by step process can we reach our source and draw upon its power and inspiration.

The tree behind Adam symbolizes the signs of the zodiac. The flames on the left of the tree trunk symbolize the five senses, and those on the right symbolize the body and the original planets.

Behind Eva is the Tree of Knowledge. The serpent in the tree, the kundalini force, gives them the power to create. When the kundalini is trapped in the lower center of the body, at or near the base of the spine, only the senses are fulfilled. One must raise the kundalini, or life force, up the spine to the higher centers in the head so that the life force can be expressed on a loftier plane."

Thanks Alice - wherever you are!

And a little more of what Alice forwarded on the number "7". You could say that 6 and 7 "go together like a horse and carriage" - 7 perhaps seeking to consolodate the experience of 6 in formulaic manner. Herein the symbolic masculine powers of reason step forward to harness the intuitive, thereby bringing what might have been nebulous into clearer consciousness - and spelling out a 'secret".

NUMEROLOGY: "7 SEEKS ANSWERS. It tries to establish a philosophy by which to live and attempts to penetrate the mystery behind its existence which it never questioned to this point. Because solitude is necessary for analysis, the 7 feels the need to spend time alone, away from the crowds, in touch with nature. It looks for friendship with those of an elevated consciousness that can match its own.

And on the seventh day God rested. All things rest under the 7 because time is needed in which to think. The ions under 7 feel poised and calm; they realize that they now need to be still and to know. They have established a routine for their energy, and now analysis begins.

7 ushers into the cycle a physical completion without apparent effort. Goals that have been long sought are now magically attained. Spare time is available in which philosophical and metaphysical interests can be pursued.

Perfected thinking is the goal of 7, which is why it is called the sacred number. It is also why scientists, philosophers, teachers, mystics and the clergy come under this influence. The physical facet of 7 also relates to the health of the body which is highly sensitized through this vibration.

Keywords: quiet, introspective, intuitive, analytical, inspirational, reclusive, philosophical, mystical.

TAROT: Key 7 The Chariot. The Chariot represents receptivity to the will of the one Source. The keyword attributed this card is fence or enclosure, and its sense function is speech. Every word we speak is a fence enclosing a word or thought. An eloquent vocabulary is a powerful tool for protection and preservation, as well as advancement. When we speak we set in motion a vibration that acts upon the ethers, space and akasha. Blavatsky said, "Sound or speech is a tremendous force when directed by occult knowledge." It is only when we become still, quiet and receptive that we can be victorious. Then the primal force can work through us.

Symbolically, the Charioteer is the soul, directing the chariot, the body. Notice that the Charioteer has no reins. It is mentally, through the will, that he directs the sphinxes, the positive and negative senses, to draw the chariot along. The starry canopy overhead indicates that we are recipients of celestial energies. The waxing and waning moons depict time and rhythm, which are stages of the mind. This can be seen by their placement on the shoulders, ruled by Gemini, which is the first air sign, symbolizing the mind.

The winged globe on the cart represents self-consciousness, elevated by aspiration. The disc with an upright rod through the center depicts the positive and negative forces joined in a working relationship. The square on the Charioteer's breast indicates an orderly attitude, and his eight-paneled skirt decorated with talismans, represents the soul's dominion over the material world.

The message here is that through control of the senses, and elevation and purification of the desires, by the use of our own free will, we can achieve complete dominion while in the physical body.

SEVEN seeks answers - The questing knight and his oblique movement eventually draws a circle on the chess board. Two mirror knights moving similalry will intersect to form the vesica pisces. There is a certain amount of "horse sense" in the fact that the Chariot and the number 7 are intertwined and that mind, body and soul appear equally so.

Whom or What would the knight or the charioteer be seeking? Whatever it is, it must arise into full conscious awareness. Perhaps the answer lies in the number "8" - that strange hybrid of mirror zeros and/or sixes and nines.

Interesting...until you pointed it out, Don, I never realized that the number "8" does, indeed, contain both a "6" and a "9", positioned rather like ying/yang. I've a ways to go before I get to the "8" in Schneider's book - I'm still enraptured by learning the secrets of Fibonnaci Sprirals in the Pentad chapter.

Bidev's theory about the nature of chess incorporated what he stated was the Indian "teaching that every element in nature consists of eight eights, four of which are formed of the element itself, and the other four eights are composed of other elements. It means that no element appears a pure one, but always mixed with some others. So, for instance, the earth is composed of 4/8 of pure earth, 1/8 of water, 1/8 of air, 1/8 of fire, and 1/8 of ether." (p. 69).

He demonstrated this arrangement on the chess board, using the Rook or Indian Ratha-Chariot, as an example: the four Chariots are positioned, each in one corner of the board - these would represent the 4/8s pure element of earth, the "square"; in front of each Chariot is positioned a pawn - each pawn would represent, respectively, 1/8 water, 1/8 fire, 1/8 air, and 1/8 ether.

Then, on p. 69, he continues: "The Pawns are, in fact, embryonic forms of elements, because they contain in an embryo the movement directions of great pieces. They are the elements in development, and therefore, they move only forward and become pieces of elements only on the eighth rank. There are some old rules, by which a Pawn could become a Knight only if it appears at b1, g1, resp. b8 and g8; similarly, it could become an Elephant [bishop] only if it appears at c1, f1, c8 and f8, and so in turn for other pieces. The promotion was dependent on the nature of the square. The Pawn, consequently, was once a potential piece of each element, and it is the same at present time."

This is the most satisfactory and intellectually appealing explanation of pawn promotion I have thus far read; elegant and logical, in my book it beats to flinders the "race" theory behind the origin of both the pawn piece and explanation for its promotion to "officer" status. I chuckle to note that what I consider one of the key insights in Bidev's article is contained on page 69.

Mark and Georgia, a thought with respect to your posts about the "light": we come out of a "dark tunnel" into the light when we are born; and when we die we go back through a "dark tunnel" reaching, once again, toward the light, as many thousands have documented for us through near-death experiences. 1 Timothy 6:15-16 talks about this light.

Not to digress too greatly from the current thread, but in relation to previous topics discussed and considered here, I'd like to inject the following comments and observations. These are largely drawn from the conclusions and data presented in a very interesting and informative book published a few years ago; "Brain Sex" by Anne Moir,Ph.D. and David Jessel (ISBN 0-440-50467-8; a Laurel Trade Paperback,Dell Publishing; c.1989) drawing upon scientific research and published papers of the past century into the matter of physical and mental gender differences.

The basic blueprint (genetic) for reproduction of all species is the female/reproductive unit pattern ('X' chromosome). The male gender of species ('Y' chromosome) is a variation or mutation upon the basic pattern/blueprint. In both cases of gender development, successful completion of the typical/standard model of female/male depends upon the successful interplay of the proper hormones to the blueprint provided by the X/Y chromosomes. The first organs clearly identifiable in the fetus are the genitals and brain, this is because there is a distinct female/male pattern to physical brain structure which is dependent upon the bodies production of appropriate gender specific hormones, determined by the genitals. Successful development into a typical gender model depends upon successful interaction of the genetic blueprint with appropriate hormones at select stages in fetal thru adolescent growth. With the 'Y' chromosome instructing for variations upon the standard (female) blueprint (default genetic code), there exists a greater probability for errors to occur when producing the male/mutant gender model.

This is the reason we find a near tenfold increase in abnormalities in the male population of species, such as nearly ten times the number of males in mental and correctional facilities compared to females. In the case of genetic/physical cause for homosexuality we also find a near tenfold increase in numbers amoung males as several steps must be successfully played out in the interaction of the male hormone levels to the 'Y' (male gentic variation chromosome) to make a successful mutation of the basic female pattern into a "typical" male pattern (default/female sexual attraction being to the male gender, a male mutation must complete several transitions in change of sexual preferrence towards the female gender).

The typical/norm physical structure of a female brain is one that is more generalized than the male model, which follows a more specialized structure. Where mjor trauma to a male brain may result in loss of a particular function/ability, similar damage to the typical female brain seldom results in such significant loss due to it's more diffuse/generalized arrangement/structure. The typical female brain contains a larger bundle of nerves connnecting the two hemispheres, increasing communications channels in comparrision to the typical male brain (a physical reason for females being in more communication with their feeling/intuitive 'side' than males). The 'typical' female brain and corresponding mental/psychological structure is not only more generalized (more geared to "seeing the forest than the trees") but also more developed towards communications and socialization skills. By comparission, the typical male brain is more specialized in it's physical structure and designed more towards enhanced "spatial perception" skills. With a wide range of skills needed for species survival, natural selection has provided a process of task division wherein the females provide the "social glue" to hold the herd/clan/tribe together (as well as reproductive tasks of species perpetuation) and the more expendable males are designed with skills geared towards seeking out new habitat, protection from competing males and predators.

Bear in mind that I'm speaking in regards to the "typical" female/male patterns with regards to all species in general. Of course, their is a range of middle ground overlap in the actual demographics of any species. Imagine two similar and slightly offset, parallel bell curves. The one on the left could the range of male attributes and the one on the right could be female. All large portion of both curves overlap in the middle ground shared by both genders. Tp the far left of the male curve is the extremes of the male pattern, overly dosed with testosterone and often the population of abnormal groups, such as prision populations. The extreme right of the female bell curve would represent such things as "Turner's syndrome". A large portion of both gender's population would have roughly equal/comparable skills and talents, but certain skills areas would be more predominant and suited to one gender rather than the other, for example a larger percentage of compitent engineers would be male and a larger percentage of compitent translators would be female.

To bring this back to relavance to the topic of this forum, for thousands of years, human society has been characterised by an outwardly appearance of male dominance, patriarcy. This has been large the result of greater male aggression and upper body strength neccesary to wield weapons, clubs,spears, swords, etc. However, female enhanced socialization skills combined with proper recognition and use of female 'charms' and 'wiles' would suggest that in many cases male domination has been more a figurehead. We guys are constantly competing amounst each other for the right to 'chose', or more accurately be 'selected', by desirable females. When internal changes or outside conguest of a culture occur, it is the male leadership most often targeted for removal/death. This would suggest that females exercise the wiser path of opperating behind the scenes, let us males take the brunt of public recognition and opposition. In many cases we males are 'puppets' to female manipulation. If anything, Freud was in error regards female penis envy, there is likely a greater case to be made for male (sub-conscious) vagina envy.

During the past few centuries, indusrtrialization and technelogical developments have allowed for a decline in male upper body strength being neccessary for using the tools/weapons of society. The speciallized, spatial perception oriented male brain has been the source for most of this invention, which has resulted in a leveling of the playing field so to speak with regard to the power available to both genders. In a sense, we males have undone ourselves and our apparent position of dominance/power thru our own knack for tinkering and inventing of mechanical and labor saving devices which have helped to restructure social institutions along the way. One could say that we males have hoisted ourselves upon our own petard. In the final analasis though, restoration of balance amoung the genders in human society with regard to power and abilities will prove the optimal course for species perpetuation and development potential. The path down this road has barely begun in the more developed nations and we all still have a long ways to go in spreading this course to other nations/culture upon the planet. Hopefully the near future will see the successful hastening of this process and the liberation, elevation to equity, rebalanceing of the gender scales begun in our part of the world will be spread to the rest of the planet. The ideal state for human existance is one of side by side complementation of the genders.

Greetings, Dave! I dare say Freud is truly rolling in his grave, LOL! Vagina-envy, SUCH a concept!

Amazons and all joking aside, thank you for your succinct summary of and commentary on current research and analysis vis a vis the differences between the sexes. There is nothing in what you wrote with which I can bring myself to disagree - perhaps a JanXena first! Darn!

Extrapolating this material to Goddesschess, one can but appreciate the unique (and fragile) balance that occurs when a man and a woman face each other across a chessboard - be it in person or through the magic of cyberspace and email. The goal - mating the King - may be the same for each player, but the paths and methods by which each player approaches the attainment of that goal needs must show their true complimentary nature.

And when a man and a woman play Goddesschess sometimes other, er, agendum may come into the picture. I am going WAY WAY OUT ON A LIMB HERE, now, gentlepersons, so bear with me. I present as Exhibit No. 1 the recent 6-game match that took place in Europe between Alexei Shirov and Judit Polgar, respectively two of the best male and female players in the world. Shirov seemingly "slaughtered" Polgar, 5 1/2 to 1/2 - EEK! A defeat for all femalekind in general and chessplaying femalekind in particular? But hark - what light through yonder bbs breaks? It is Xena - with an explanation!

Exhibit 2, the history of prior matches between these two players is replete with "trouncings" of Shirov by Polgar; for a brief on the prior history between these two world class players and an analysis of Game 3 of the recently concluded match by a Grand Master, please check out www.uschess.org/features/christiansen/lc_071999.html.

Now, given the history of these two most excellent players, what on earth could have been happening during this most recent match that led to such a seemingly resounding defeat of Polgar - who managed only a draw in one game and a valiant battle in the last? Was Polgar suffering from PMS? If that was the case, she should have wiped the board with Shirov and then some. Had Shirov recently broken up with his girlfriend and was now out to wreak vengence on all femalekind? Could the Goddesschess dynamic have been at work? To borrow a word from a friend, YIKES!

Exhibit 3, at yonder USchess.org website, scroll down to near the bottom of the page and click on "Chess Buzz Issue 117" for pictures of the two antagonists. Check them out. Hmmmmm. We have a beautiful young and vital woman. We have a handsome and intense young man...

Yes yes yes, Shirov "won" THIS match and the bulk of the purse and Polgar suffered a seemingly humbling defeat. Tra la, tra la. But what was REALLY going on here, hmmmm?

"Let me tell you 'bout the birds and the bees and the flowers and the trees, and the moon up above....", sings JanXena as she goes riding off into the sunset...

Welcome G. David, you sure don't have any abnormalities. Are you going to be in Las Vegas for the Meeting? I sure would like to meet you. I have a weakness for brilliant men. I will be looking forward to more posts from you.

LOVE

G

May Manna Always be with You.

 Today July 25 th is called the "Day Out of Time" in the Mayan/Plieadean daycount and
is also known as "Green Day". We have mentioned the connection of the color green to
the power of Heart and human heart chakra. The Mayans have a calendar which has
18 ... 20 day cycles and 18 x 20 = 360 then they added the 5 days on the end called
the Uayeb. The the 5th day of the Uayeb is the Day Out of Time.

L i g h t	Uayeb 2 July 22 Spirit	T r u t h
Uayeb 3 July 23 Magick	Uayeb 5 July 25  Heart	Uayeb 1  July 21  Birth
A l l	Uayeb 4 July 24  Flowering	L o v e

It is also my birthday today and I give this diagram as a gift reflecting the power
within each of You. On July 26th we move into a new year in the Mayan/Plieadean
system and it is called the "Galactic Year of the White Resonant Wizard". The wizard
has the power to Enchant. The Green castle is known as the Castle of Enchantment.
We know there is a move is chess called "castling" between the Tower and the King.
Merlin, Arthur, Camelot, Excaliber, Lady of the Lake  ... five names ... five colors
place them as Your Heart desires and watch as Heaven (camelot) and Earth (excaliber)
unite.

Perhaps that is what we are doing here at The Weave, Mark, weaving a spell of enchantment. Alas, Arthur did not unite with the Lady of the Lake; he instead succumbed to the spell of Guinievere, and then suffered the torments of unrequited love and all-consuming jealousy. Is the lesson that one must always pay a price for greatness? I would hope there is a better, kinder lesson than that, to learn.

07 25 1999

7 7 28

14 10

24

6

Forgive the formatting! I'm no computer whiz. The correspondences among the numbers are the important things here. Today's date, Mark's birthday, resolves to a "6". Happy birthday, Mark.

Continuing with Bidev's article, p. 70:

"Now we turn to the piece of Knight (or Horse, as it is called on the Continent), which stands next to the chariot, and represents the fluid element of nature - the water. To mythologists it is well known that the horse is an ancient symbol of water among the Aryan nations. It is almost impossible to number all those cases in which the horse appears in connection with water. Various sea, well, lake, and river divinities, ghosts or demons appear in the form of a horse or with a horse head [fn omitted] [Me: Oh yeah? Such as? - How about that old American chestnut, "The Headless Horseman"?]. Indian myths look even for the very origin of the horse in water. Bachofen (Urreligion und antike Symbole, II, Leipzig 1926, S. 171) indicated at the time that the very words horse and water, equus and aqua, are etymologically identical. [Me: I don't think "ekhos" and "aqua" are very similar, keeping in mind the old saying, one can lead a horse to water, but one cannot make it drink]. The English and the Italian still call the sea waves - horses: white horses, resp. cavolloni. [Me: Now here we may be onto something concrete - such as our English word "calvary", for example, and hints in Graves' "White Goddess" of horse gods - or gods who rode horses - who resided in the sea].

Jan ... interesting Horse, Knight, Age of Aquarius. There were also the 4 horses in Revelations in this order ( White, Red, Black, Pale ) and each of these arrives with the first 4 seals with seals 5,6,7 coming after the horses. We have seen these numbers 5 & 6 alot recently and when we add 5+6+7 = 18 and we have seen this a whole lot being that in number the word "chess" = 18 and the word "love" = 18. These four horses appear in chapter 6 of Revelation. Notice the White horse is the one that appears on the first seal and the bow and crown is given to the rider then. The colors of the horses could symbolize (Air, Earth, Water, Fire). There is one more color green, the heart, the center, and look for that color in the words of Revelation.

Happy birthday, Mark, hope that this has been a wonderful day out of time for you.
We are weaving a spell out of time. This is very important, as the more Queens we have the more magick we have. The Goddess gave us Manna and the power to play creative art, and it is this force that will help the planet survive and evole into the next millenia. Too bad it is too late to stop World War III and the post atomic horror, but at least we will have collected all the necessary information in these electronic Arks. Then when we emerge into the 22nd Century we will finally have grown enough to handle the gift that the Goddess has left us. Live long and prosper.

Ron, if WWIII were to break-out, I suspect the enemy that be - whoever it is - would use one or more EMPs to wipe out all of our electronic geegews and, if I understand this aright, that would include the www and all it contains; thus The Weave would be lost forever into the ether, except for any printed-out copy Terpsy retains; alas, I have only the first 600 or so posts on paper. Those, of course, would be lost too, in the event of a nuclear conflagration of this fair city. Of course, I could be wrong - have been very very wrong on lots of things before, don't ya know! Still, tis better to be optimistic and believe that the next big one won't happen anytime soon, or will at least have the decency to wait until I'm well past 120 or thereabouts. Let us turn out thoughts to brighter things, Ron - and forget Revelevation Holmes, the answers we seek do not lie there. You two are mightly maudlin tonight. Too many brews celebrating Mark's birthday? In the meantime, The Weave lives on, despite anything and everything else.

More from Bidev, p. 70:

"The Horse has always stood on the chessboard on its known places, and has been moved in its original manner. In two springs it can draw a halfmoon, the Indian symbol of water. The Brahmanic symbol of water is a half-moon, and the Buddhistic one is a circle. The Horse is able to describe the [sic] both pictures. In eight springs it can describe a closed circle line around the King. [Diagram here, representing the king sitting on a central square, and the Knight or Horse describing eight full moves around him].

"If we let four Horses move side by side along a longer chessboad, we shall get nice transveral waves on water. [Here things get a big complicated; the accompanying diagram shows a chess grid 8 squares vertical and 17 horizontal, with two white knights and two black knights, all stacked one atop the other, making successive moves across the board from right to left; the lines traced out among each knight's moves represents waves, one atop each other.]

"Someone may notice that the moves of the Knight are straight and not curved lines. The followers of Einstein's theory of relativity give right to me, and a voice of defence in my benefit has been heard even from the Middle Ages. The famous Jewish writer Abraham Ibn Esra, in his "Poem of Chess", writes about the movement of the Knight (Linde, I. 165): [the aforementioned diagram would be here, with the following notation underneath: "Des Rosses Fuss, sehr leicht ist er im Streite, Er gehet auf gekrummtem Wege; Verkrummt sind seine Wege, nicht gerade.]

Anyone speak German - at least, I think it's German? And the reference to Einstein's theory of relativity, well, he totally lost me there - does E=MCsquared have anything to do with wave particle theory???

> E=MCsquared have anything to do with wave particle theory?

Yes in that the C is light and wave/particle concerns light. If you use 9 as the number of light C and 37 (hydrogen) as the number of M then E = 37 x 9 = 333

3+3+3 = 9 and 3x3x3 = 27 (9+9+9)

Notice that these numbers 9 + 37 = 46 the number of human chromosomes and 46 reversed is the 64 of chess.

Actually, I do not think The Revelation by St John is as apocalystic as many believe. Read chapter 22 it clearly states the words are -not- sealed and All are to receive the Waters of Life. Look at the gifts that each of the four Horsemen bear.

Ron what thoughts do you have on WWIII and why you believe it will break out? Jan I agree that electronic records amy get wiped, however, it is recorded in each person as well and the main points would carry on.

Thank all of you for the birthday wishes. Mer and I celebrated with my brother's family.

Hmmm... I await the appearance of a missing post that should have cropped up several entries ago. Obviously hidden in the curve of space - the warp and woof of time, it contained birthday well-wishes to you Mark and a few "beables" and baubles thrown in for good measure. If I don't see it materialize in a another 24 hours, I'll re-post. After a certain point, the bread gets kind of stale...

Good to see that Uncle Albert lies in state upon the chess board. A regular Horus that one. But even the gods supersede one another. Anyway, as superstrings and giant particle accelerator rings give way to other toys, increasingly we may see ourselves participating in an elborate dance. Six quarks for every atom. Back action - implicate and explicate order - pilot waves! Roll 'em!

As for the apocalypse - (The Twelfth of Never?) I consider it to be somewhat like the Christ - always ready to leap - promote - castle - but with the fanciest footwork taking place somewhere deep in the heart of "taxis". It's a star-studded cast and both the alpha and omega entertain a scope our minds simply cannot easily fathom. Quite a plot. Cinerama, Panavision - Sensurround with colour by "Delux".

"Lux!?" Holonomically speaking, if and when this old world goes "pop" and we find ourselves reconstituted somewhere out there on the asteroid belt - though smithereens we may become - all the "in-formation" should remain in tact, somehow, someday, somewhere -in my blue heaven...

As an afterthought:

"Astronomer Discovers 18th Moon Orbiting Around Uranus"

An Arizona scientist has discovered an 18th moon orbiting the planet Uranus. Until now, Saturn has been the only planet in our solar system known to have as many as 18 satellites.

Erich Karkoschka, a researcher at the Lunar and Planetary Lab at The University of Arizona in Tucson, made the discovery. The newly found moon is the first satellite of Uranus discovered in 1999 but will still be designated as Satellite 1986 U 10 (short S/1986 U 10).

"This discovery is very unusual," Karkoschka said. "Typically, satellites are found within days after the discovery image has been taken. In this case, the discovery image is more than 13 years old." The interplanetary spacecraft Voyager 2 took seven images of the new satellite when it flew by Uranus in late January, 1986. These images have been publicly available in digital format. However, nobody recognized the satellite until Karkoschka investigated these images recently. He has studied the Uranian satellites based on images taken with the NASA/European Space Agency Hubble Space Telescope (HST) and found the new satellite when he compared his HST results with images taken by Voyager 2.

The discovery image can be viewed at the WWW site: http://science.opi.arizona.edu/pics/umoons.jpg

This same image at higher resolution is on the Internet at http://science.opi.arizona.edu/pics/umoon.jpg.)

Mark, Don, I may not even have that right, you know - I'm not sure that Einstein's theory of relativity IS e = mcsquared - you're dealing with a total physics nincompoop here. It sounds as if you're very conversant with the subject matter of particle waves and such, Don, could you perhaps expound a bit with respect to possible hidden connections to The Game? I hope the disappearing post shows up. That's happened to me from time to time, seems to be no rhyme or reason for it except, perhaps, hungry cyberspace.

Mark, did you square 3 to get your 9 (the number of light) in yon post? With regard to Revelation, it seems we are perceiving the same words through different colored filters; while ultimately there is a happy ending promised to all who take Life's Waters Free, one has to wade through warfare, famine, pestilence and death to get there - those are the only things I am aware of the four horsemen bringing. Interesting connection, though; I never before thought of the four Knights in connection with the Riders of the Apocalypse.

Mark Borcherding - 09:15am Jul 26, 1999 MST (#1142 of 1151)
dare to dream upon your own star
 

Jan yes I did square 3 to get 9 and if you do it again you get 27 and yet a 4th time you get 81.
The reverse of 81 is the 18 we see so much 18 = 6+6+6

The year 1999 / 3 = 666.333333333.....
2000 / 3 = 666.666666666.....

Seems like we have already gone thru alot of war and stuff perhaps all that we need to?

We see another connection with 4 ... the 4 directions and in native concepts we are in the 4th world getting ready to move into the 5th.

O	2nd World white horse north	L
3rd World black horse west	5th World emerald throne center	1st World red horse east
V	4th World pale horse south	E

I am intrigued by the notion of horses living in the water, so I've started to search to see what, if anything I can find. Haven't gotten very far yet, I may have to take a different research tack: under a search for "horse" and "symbol", I discovered that the Nordic god Oden rode an eight-legged horse called Sleipner. I also found Pegasus, who was born from the blood of the Medusa as she was slain by Perseus, and is a symbol of the immortality of the soul and also a symbol of the Muses.

"Within the armour is the butterfly and within the butterfly--is the signal from another star." --Philip K. Dick, "Man, Android and Machine,

Happy Birthday Mark! As a little giftie - I thought it might be appropriate to commemorate the day with a wee bit of sacred geometry. Hermes-Aphrodite has been learning some new tricks with the cosmic compass. The number six figures appropriately as do 7 and 11. Sonoluminescence! Enjoy!

Crop Circle Radius Home Page http://www.cropcircleradius.com/

For more eye/brain candy, the following site has some wonderful Tarot depictions by artists from around the world. Some of these cookies use very sharp "crayons".

Aeclectic tarot http://www.aeclectic.net/tarot/

And for a brilliant take on Classial Greek Mythology - how shapeshifting myth and symbolic imagery figure in the practical recapitulation of post ice-age humanity - the following:

Greek Mythology: Chapters in Pre-History http://www.middlebury.edu/~harris/SubIndex/greekmyth.html

Love and war seem to be the process and product of practical survival issues. Aphrodite's attraction to Ares appears a particularly relevant topic at this point in the general discussion.

As for "Vaginal Envy?" You know, I've heard that before and it makes perfect sense to me! Who wants to be an expendible sperm bank? Cannon fodder? On the other hand, it might be a good trade off considering what women go though in childbirth.

As info contained in the above url seems to indicate, (related to Dave's #1129) it could be that the primordial Goddess archetype subsequently found herself concealed within the protective womb of partiarchy - (an armoured seed pod bristling with spear-like nettles) still alive, though not quite as powerfully expressive as once might have been the case in certain societies. As a wide ranging pan-global trend, (transformation from matriarchy to partriarchy - and/or the parallel alterations which occurred as paganism dissolved into organized religious systems) it may not be historically astute to conclude that this general framework repeats itself without exception around the globe - although there is considerable evidence indicating that such an anthropological or evolutionary turn of events signified a necessary stage in human development in many regions. As David states, men forced the issue of gender equality through techological development (smithing, warfare etc.) which either triggered or reflected the male position in an increasingly competitive social order based, (as is presently evident) upon rapid advancement of specific forms of knowledge that could be bent to serve defensive as well as aggressive postures - not to mention agriculture, animal husbandry, etc. etc.

From another perspective, given the teleological argument for a progression of the Spirit through history, might not the displacement of matriarchy signify a necessary occlusion? Why else would the U.S.A. (an many other countries) be armed to the teeth if not to ensure the continuity of its constitution and the matriarchal ideals imbedded therein? These contradictions and paradoxes - love and war - peace through strength - seem evident on the chessboard.

While war predominates in the minds and hearts of some, it does appear to be a cycle that could conceivably run its course as our grasp of technology levels out the gender specific playingfield and permits the turning of swords into plowshares. Old habits die hard and yet, while perched upon the eternal precipice of change, today, we have some novel trends and recent examples to follow. Obviously those little crop circle faeries put their tools to better use than most industrial/military complexes.

What will be left over? I suppose it is motherly and fatherly love after all. When and if the cycle can complete itself, we will see the emergence of co-operative balance and an end to such scrappy questions as the one which follows... En guard Georgia! :-)

• ************** "I am wondering how much more of the Bible is really the Goddesses writings, rewritten (plagiarized) by the MiV?"

So am I Georgia. But were there any women scribes in pre-Mosaic times?

SEVEN SEEKS ANSWERS: Could what you are referring to have its roots in a series of oral transmissions that were possibly modified quite early on? Would not certain alterations have occurred even before the advent of the written word - with each telling of the tale? As the bards and storytellers gathered around Hestia's hearth, is it not possible that women (with their innate gift of language) could have been equally involved in this gradual unfolding?

Certainly, as Jan mentioned earlier, the "images" of Gods and Godesses shifted shape from epoch to epoch - (as the URL above explains) - reflecting important changes within the developing fabric of civilization itself. This is to subtract a certain amount of "divinity" from the question while taking the entire issue beyond parameters of "belief" - the search for a "prime mover" - an Adam and an Eve - and thereby allowing for a less contentious discussion of symbol and myth.

From this general perspective it must be questioned whether the eclipse of the oral tradition by the written signified a concerted attempt to solidify patriarchal control or whether it was just a relatively benign attempt to consolodate learning, enable commerce, lawgiving etc. through the advancement of a novel (then) technology - in which the derivative outcome was an assumably temporary state of male dominance - a state that we see undergoing a form of erosion in our present time.

As for the Bible itself - the intentions behind its execution are as difficult to grasp as the Big Bang or the concept of an Original Mother/Father. However, for a people (Israel) so consumed with honoring the "correct" god, would it not seem improbable that they would actually publish disinformation at a time when they were grasping the sacred power of the written word, particularly its merits and limitations in expressing the concept of a guiding deity? Would not the purity ascribed to literary forerunners of the O.T. and the King James Bible make it contingent upon the scribes (a sanctified caste) to publish the unmitigated truth lest an entire nation be overtaken by an offended Yaweh? Or, significantly, was this, in some overall sense, a clever means of concealing the traditionally soft underbelly of Jewish matriachal enthronement from hostile forces?

Lastly, have there been, or are there any WiV (Women in Violet) lurking upon the face of the earth - or does this strain of virus attack men only? I bring this up only as a means of countermanding the assumption that places all guilt strictly in the hands of one gender or another. Certainly patriarchal oppression of women is still predominant in many societies. However, if the sexes cannot find a way out of this "elemental" dilemma, there can be little hope for the planet as a whole. By contending the issue of culpability, we only recapitulate more of the same. On such a battlefield, "Truth" is the only casualty.

I reccommend a dispassionate view. Women have a right to their anger...just as men have a right to their incredulous (or, perhaps more appropriately) vacuuous and somewhat innocent responses to it. By focusing on only one side of the issue we tend to obsure the fact that, at some unknown moment in time, women must have entered into collusion with the wishes of men - forsaking their warrior goddess attributes to achieve the meta-goals of civilization. Its a hand in glove situation, and I doubt that any brief encapsulation can do justice to the gender dynamics, social imperatives and perogatives that emerged through history to create the conditions we find ourselves in today.

Things can only get better.

Mark,

Mark Borcherding - 05:37pm Jul 25, 1999 MST (#1135 of 1143)
Jan ... interesting Horse, Knight, Age of Aquarius. There were
also the 4 horses in Revelations in this order ( White, Red,
Black, Pale ) and each of these arrives with the first 4 seals
with seals 5,6,7 coming after the horses.

1. The White Horse [Rev. 6:2] is clearly Sagittarius, the (mounted) archer. The

color white refers to the color of the center of the Milky Way Galaxy, which is in
Sagittarius. Visually, the constellation looks like a steaming teapot, and white is
the color of the Sagittarius Star Cloud, which looks like the steam. He that sat
on him with a bow is the archer. The crown is a reference to Coronae Australis,
the Southern Crown, which is the constellation immediately south of Sagittarius.
There will be a supernova in Sagittarius, but I have not yet identified it.
2. The (Flying) Red Horse [Rev. 6:4] is Pegasus. After Earth's density change

(11:38 PM UT August 12, 1999, see (#148) under "Sky Signs and Earth
changes" under "Predictions" under "Art Bell Talk"), it will have received a
velocity boost to compensate for its mass loss, and its new aphelion will be at
1.414 AU (after its second velocity boost) which will cross the orbit of Mars.
Because of the change in direction of Earth's velocity vector, Mars will appear
to have "moved" out of the ecliptic plane and into Pegasus. Mars will then
appear to be stationary in Pegasus until Earth makes its first close encounter in
October 1999. I think. The stars of Pegasus will appear to be red because
Earth will have blue-shifted itself in the process of reducing its density. Mars,
the Greek and Roman god of war is him that sat thereon to whom was given
the power to take peace from the earth (wage war).
3. The Black Horse [Rev. 6:5] is clearly Centaurus (half-man, half-horse) because

he that sat on him had a pair of balances in his hand. This is a reference to Libra,
the Scales, which is the constellation immediately north of the right hand of the
Centaur. I have discovered another supernova progenitor candidate in Centaurus,
namely HIP 56667. This star is located exactly under the horse's tail. It is the
horse's ass, so to speak. It's Right Ascension is 11:37, which is exactly the same
as the RA for the supernova progenitor candidate in Leo, namely HIP 56663.
This should not be surprising, since the Hipparcos catalogue numbers are so close
together, and the stars are numbered in RA order. The declination difference
between SN Leonis and SN Centauri is approximately 60º.
4. The Pale Horse [Rev 7:8] is Monoceros, the Unicorn, a very faint (hence pale)

constellation. Sitting on top of the unicorn's hind quarters is the supernova
progenitor candidate HIP 36665, which is almost exactly diametrically opposed
to (180º away from) SN Aquilae (the Eagle), HIP 96663. I think that these two
stars define the pivot axis for the second polar axis shift. The reference to the
"sword" in this verse may be describing the unicorn's horn. He looks as if he is
about to gore Orion in his butt with that horn. Monoceros is followed by Hydra,
the sea serpent ("and Hell followed with him"). The business of having the power
to kill with hunger and with death over the fourth part of the earth may refer to the
area of the earth, not its population. One half of that fourth is in the Pacific Ocean.
The other half may be near the horn of East Africa. I'm still working on the details.

Peace,
Glen

Well, Glen, this is all most interesting. Some of your information is related to the symbolism of the knight/horse and has certainly introduced some intriguing and (to me at least) new insights. As for the rest, it may certainly prove to be an interesting time to be in Las Vegas for the First Annual Goddesschess/Chessgoddess Convention.

Don, post 1144 must be the one that went missing earlier. Interesting that it shows up as "1144" which totals to 10, which is 1+0, there's the Alpha and the Omega showing up again. And appropriately, I think, given the content of your post.

You raised an interesting question: is it possible that matriarchy's at times forced fall by the wayside was an event that HAD to occur? You've presented a reasonable hypothesis that answers this question in the affirmative, in terms of a "long view" cycle - matriarchy, patriarchy, balance as final goal. Do you perceive this cycle as a process arising totally out of natural dynamics and processes over the march of time as civilizations and cultures arise, mature and dissipate? Or, do you perceive some other elemental force at work in -either invoking - or imposing - such a cycle? Finally, you may well be correct in your hypothesis (whether "natural" or "extra-natural"), but do you think "the world" is paying attention?

And if "the world" is not paying attention, Don, what happens next?

Hail to the Crowned & Conquering Child, Ra-Horus. How about an oligarchy? Isn't that where we are headed? "A form of government where the ruling power belongs to a few people." Perhaps because we have had class stuggle, race struggle, religious wars, sexual dominance wars, we are still considered a "dangerous and savage child race!"
I think that the post-Atomic Horror is unavoidable, just take these 2 examples: India versus Pakistan, and Red China versus the Falun Gong cult (which by the way believe that aliens have taken over the key positions of government in the world, and they are also anti-technology). If aliens are here studying us, what do they want us to do?
Jan, I once wrote a piece on the Mayan factor and the Book of Revelations, using the mirror effect I paired these up: War/Peace, Abundance/Famine, Pestilence/Paradise, Death/Rebirth. Life usually contains the polarity, and truth is someone in the synthesis of all of it. So to add this to my WWW analogy: Post-Atomic Horror/Planetary Consciousness.

RE: Post # 1144

"Were there any women scribes in pre-Mosaic times?"

I can't say for sure that there were women scribes, because the ancient codices of the Arab tribes were destroyed by the armies of Islam. And if any are in existance they are hidden away. Even money there were women scribes;-)

"Or, significantly, was this , in some overall sense, a clever means of concealing the traditionally soft underbelly of Jewish matriarchal enthronement from hostile forces."

Very interesting! Concider this: From "The Power of Kabbalah, A Documentary" video by The Kabbalah Center.

"The Kabbalah is composed of two levels Sitrei Torah, the hidden secrets of Kabbalah and Tammel Torah, the basic principles of Kabbalah.

There exists a prohibition on the teaching of the Sitrei Torah.

In order to learn the Sitrei Torah a person must be married, 40 years old and fully learned in all areas of Jewish knowledge.

Only few sages have attained this level of Wisdom, Moses was one of them."

Did you notice the reference to Moses. Hmmmmmm, Manna Hmmmmmmmm

Could the hidden secret be the Goddess unvailed? This could explain the attacks, by the MiV, on the Jewish people.Hmmmmmm

I'll have a glass of sonoluminesent sparkling water while I think this over;-)

LOVE

G

May the Hand of the Goddess Always be with You.

 Glen thanks for the neat post ... White Horse ... center of the galaxy ... what else is at the center of the
galaxy? We have seen alot of energy and things like gamma bursters in the last year. There are alot of
things that maybe birthed in a galaxy. How about the universe within each human?

Georgia ... I beleieve there have been great women thru-out the ages and men as well.
Interesting that the first word I think of with "Moses" is "Roses" :)   "Roses" = 22 or 11+11
"Rosy Cross" = 43

Ron I find the Falun Gong group very interesting and it looks like the Chinese government also
is intrigued by them. "Falun Gong" = 43 , "Jesus Christ" = 43 looks like they have Christ
consciousness. Regarding "dangerous and savage child race!" perhaps that is not "true" Human
nature. Perhaps, we did once merge male and female , god and goddess and had real equality
for All. Maybe we will reclaim our true power and become what we really are. I suspect Falun Gong
and many other things occuring are moving in this direction. Your mirror analogies caused this to
pop into my mind .... Black Hole / White Hole - but with a Rainbow between them.

Mark #1149

Kepler's 1604 SN is nearby, and there are many X-ray sources in the region. But because of our spin orientation, we get the bulk of our ether wind from the Large Magellanic Cloud in the South as discovered by Dayton C. Miller and disclosed in his 1933 paper.

Peace, Glen

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