The Weave Posts 51-100

Jan Newton - 01:01am Jan 8, 1999 MST (#51 of 672)

I found some info on the "Net" about the origins of chess. Consensus seems to be that it arose in India in the 7th century A.D. and then spread to Persia and Arabia from there; however, I also found one reference to a game that might be an ancestor of chess being played in Babylon from 4000 B.C. forward. I found that particularly interesting because the first city/state of Babylon ruled by Nimrod and his queen was a center of goddess worship and "mysteries" after Nimrod's death. I tried to find reference to Charlemagne's chess set (I seem to recall from The Eight that it appeared to have a mysterious effect on the players), but couldn't find anything on the Net under Charlemagne about such a gift (though there was a reference to his being great friends with a very highly placed Arabian potentate - hmmmm), and I couldn't access the only site I found with a comprehensive history of chess. I'm going to the library tomorrow to see if I can find a book on the subject. Open question, do you suppose Katherine Neville was onto something with her story line about a magic formula hidden in the game of chess, the elixir of life???

Jan Newton - 01:30am Jan 8, 1999 MST (#52 of 672)

Re my prior post, the date chess reputedly arose in India was the 5th century A.D. (the 600's), not the 7th. At the site I found this info, it indicated that in Arabia women played chess with men (I wonder if this is still allowed?) and there were as many accomplished female as male players. Also, the pieces as we know them today didn't get "finalized" until the 15th century. In India, for example, the rook (castle) was an elephant; I believe the elephant has lots of symbolic meaning in Hinduism, but I don't know anything about that religion and its symbolism.

Jan Newton - 01:34am Jan 8, 1999 MST (#53 of 672)

I will get this right eventually; the 5th century A.D. covering the 400's, not the 600's!

Jan, That is great info, I am particularly interested in the Babylonian lead on the game, you might have something there, Please keep us posted. By the way, I am working on a game, The Royal Game of Sumer, it was found by archaeologists in the ancient city of Ur. They found the board and the pieces but, no instruction book,Darn,so I have been working on figuring out how the people played it. This game board dates to 2500 BCE, that means it was around well before 2500 BCE. I suspect Chess goes back further than that.

I was playing Chess last night, with my daughter, and I explained to her that the Queen's role was like a mother protecting her child. Could the King have origanally had a dual role?

LOVE

PEACE

G

May the Hand of The Goddess Always be with You.

Why are these 3 words associated with the King, called: "Check", "Checkmate", and "Stalemate".
Why does the King only move 1 space per move like the pawns, surrounded by his legions?
Great work Mark, post 50. Jan I think your 3 post a superb. India sounds interesting. Elephants sound cool.
Georgia, did you check out the numbers Mark laid down. I think I remember you posting that the Game of Sumer had 7 pieces each. Maybe you ought to post this about the game or email Mark.

Ref 55 There is another word associated with the King "Castle" the Rook and the King can do one of the most special moves in chess when they dance to reverse places. It is the only time two pieces can move at the same time.

R O O K = 9+6+6+2 = 23 = 18 + 5

K I N G = 2=9+5+7 = 23

23 = 1+7+7+7+1

The King is a pawn that knows how to move in any direction. If you look at it the King can move 1 space in any direction. The Queen can move up to 8 in a direction. There is our 1 8 again. But the Queen cannot do the same move with the Rook.

:: mark

Ref. #48

The Aztecs of Mexico wandered the land in search of a home until they received a sign. It turned out be a great bird (eagle) with a snake in its claws landing on a cactus. It is on the Mexican Seal. By the way the Aztec civilization was a matriarcy, as was the Mayan culture and the Egyptian culture. The Goddess.

Mark, could the expression "castle keep" have a tie to the game?

Mathmatics is a universal language. It is eloquent. Look for the eloquence and beauty in all things.

Jan, I am going out today to research the symbolism of the elephant today.

The game is afoot...Watsons!

LOVE

G

May the Hand of the Goddess Always be with You.

Georgia, post 57, wrote : "Mark, could the expression "castle keep" have a tie to the game?"

There are 4 Rooks "castles" in chess Where are they located? What is the significance of their locations?

What do the Castles "keep" ?

Where is the Fifth Castle?

recall rook = 23

4 x 23 = 92 5 x 23 = 115

rcall 65 pieces on the chess board includin the board itself 115 + 65 = 180 there is our 18 multiplied by 10 (10 planets) 10 is the planetary tone in Mayan 13 tone system and has power of manifestation.

Hi Mark :

The four rooks are sitting on the 4 corners of the Chess Board. They become the 4 Towers like in the Mayan Wavespell, Magnetic Tower, Overtone Tower, Solar Tower, Cosmic Tower.

Towers around a Castle and Moat keep the Security of the Castle, so they are the "Castle Keep".

180 + 180 = 360 Thus the circle in the square.

Peace, Ron Adams

Hi,

I discovered that the game of Chess at one time was played with a set of dice, and these dice determined what piece to move. I know there are 36 combinations on a pair of dice. Which number is for which piece? When counting with dice there is no one, so it goes 2,3,4,5,....ect., it reminds me of the Pythagorian number system.

Archaeologists have found dice in the piramids.

Consider this:

The perimeter has 28 squares, 2+8=10

The next is 20 squares, 2+0=2

The next is 12 squares, 1+2=3

The next is 4 squares 4

We get the sequence, 1,2,3,4.

LOVE

G

May the Hand of the Goddess always be with You.

Mark,

What does 10 represent in numerology? I thought it was a number related to the Goddess, is this correct?

LOVE

G

May the Hand of the Goddess Always be with You.

Ref 61

10 in the mayan 13 tones is the Planetary tone and carries the power of Manifestation.

the 10th mayan solar glpyh is White Dog (Oc) and carries the power of Heart.

10 = 1+0 = ying + yang = god + goddess

Look at the dice sides when added this way:

1 + 6 = 7

2 + 5 = 7

3 + 4 = 7

4 + 3 = 7

5 + 2 = 7

6 + 1 = 7

Now we take the 10 + 7 = 17 16 chess pieces + 1 board = 17

Thanx so much for the hand of Goddess Georgia for creating this wonderful Chess discussion!

There weren't any reference books on chess history at my local library, just lots of books about how to play the game (maybe I should read one!) I will keep trying to locate historical info on the source of chess. Georgia, it occurred to me re your reference to the "rook" (quite a few posts ago) going back to the archetype eagle (fertility, abundance, etc.) defeating the serpent that this is one of the main themes in the Bible; Satan the Devil is also the "original serpent" and "the great dragon"; two of God's main attributes, power and wisdom, are often depicted by reference to an eagle! Look at the eagle depicted on our own dollar bill - it holds a clutch of arrows in one claw and what looks like a sheaf of wheat or something similar in the other; could be a variation on the theme. I'll have to brush up on my ancient history; my recollection is that ancient Sumer was the successor in interest so to speak to the original city/state of Babylon that arose after the Great Flood. if that's the case, then the present game you're investigating, Georgia, could have been passed down from the game played in Babylon and might go all the way back to the origin of the "mysteries".

Mark,

I am happy that we started this discussion also, I had no idea it would develope this well.

Jan,

I ran accross the same problem, no information on the history of Chess, rather strange isn't it. The absence of something tends to make me suspicious. The eagle on our money was origanally the Phoenix. If you can get pictures of the original seal you will see the top knot on the birds head, which is present in most representations of the Phoenix. As for the meaning of the serpent, I would like to leave that to Ron to explain. Ron will you please pick this up for me.

Remember, things are reversed and backwards, very well hidden.

LOVE PEACE

G

May the Hand of the Goddess Always be with You.

Ref# 62

Mark,

If 10 is God+Goddess and we apply this to the game of Chess, God and Goddess are joined together with LOVE. I like this thought.

LOVE PEACE

G

May the Hand of the Goddess Always be with You.

Hi Georgia, post 64, I would be glad to talk about snakes. Interesting that many cultures revere the snake, and see it as good, not evil. The Hindu's see Shiva, the destroyer, as a snake, and the kundalini energy is represented as the caduceus, two intwining snakes around the staff of Thoth. So the Egyptians saw the snake as representing rebirth and resurrection, the ability of the snake to shed its skin. The Mayans also felt the snake was important. Cauac, the storm god is shown as an eagle with a snake in its mouth. The snake is seen as lightening. Early Goddess cults worshipped the snake because of its healing ability, some venom is used even now in healing and disabilities, especially burn victims. The snake is also known as the enlightener. So it is interesting how things have been turned around in our present patriarchal age, the snake as Satan, and women afraid of snakes, etc.

Ref 62

Georgia it is also interesting that this discussion seems to be full of open minded people ... no negative posts :)

G o d = 7+6+4 = 17

G o d d e s s = 7+6+4+4+5+1+1 = 28

C h i l d = 3+8+9+1+4 = 25

17 + 28 + 25 = 70

70 = 10 * 7

recall numbers 7 and 10 from above posts.

Chess board has 64 squares and each player white and black has aspects of god, goddess, and child. 64 + 1+1+1 + 1+1+1 = 70

May the hands of the God, Goddess, and Child be forever joined in Love.

I am scared of snakes and any association with Satan has nothing to do with it! I hate big hairy icky bugs with lots of legs too! Found a little more info on the history of chess, and am deducing that it , in its many variations, derived from one "master game" that arose - from where??? I think ancient Babylon city/state circa 4000 BCE, but I only found the one reference and nothing to corroborate it so far. I'll keep digging. Chinese chess was at one time played with dice; Japanese, Korean and Chinese chess do not have a queen at all, and only one rook. Originally, the bishop was called the "chancellor" or "advisor", and it makes sense that when the game became "europeanized" the piece became the "bishop" because back in the middle ages these guys were the only ones with any claims to education (such as it was), and were often advisors to kings, etc. The queen originally had even less power than the king did as far as her moves, being limited to one square per move on the diagonal. The queen did not get her present powers until the late 1400's. Also, apparently the rooks did not take their present position until that time, and "castling" came into existence around then too. Found a site in my researches on ancient Babylon dealing with goddesses and the Venus of Willendorf, a stone carving allegedly as old as 27,000BCE. Now I don't know about the age thing, I'm not at all sold on the reliability of certain dating techniques, but interestingly the little lady has 7 rings (or circles) carved around the top of her head, and the site indicated "this is one of the 1st deliberate references to the number 7". You should like this reference, Mark!

P.S. Playing with numbers: satan is 1+1+2+1+5 = 10; devil is 4+5+4+9+3 = 25 = 2 + 5 = 7. 10 plus 7 = 17. Evil is 5+4+9+3 = 21, which can be reduced to 2 + 1 = 3, or reduced to 3 x 7 (or 3 x satan!) God/Goddess/Child versus Satan/Devil/Evil = stalemate (for the time being, at any rate!)

Ref. # 69

Jan,

I am glad you have a sense of humor.

I can relate to your confusion. To the modern mind numerology seems rediculus. In ancient times, and even today, numerology is taken very seriously. In order to translate ancient manuscripts one must be well versed in numerology, astrology and the pantheon of Goddesses and Gods, in order to have an understanding of what is trying to be told.

Do all things with LOVE.

G

May the Hand of The Goddess Always be with You.

Mark Borcherding - 09:40am Jan 13, 1999 MST (#71 of 672)
dare to dream upon your own star

Jan, ref 68 & 69,

Lots of cool info you are discovering! I thank you for all you sharing. Neat that you picked up numbers so fast!

It is interesting to me that the chess board has two colors and there are two players. However, the Chess board is "One". I believe it teaches us that we although may have male & female that each person is whole like the board. And we respect and use the diversity of each piece much as we learn to use our own inner diversity.

As with numbers and the interpretation of Chess we can create whatever we want. It is in how you play the game. What we choose to create.

This is probably why you see so many diverse versions of Chess. How amazing!!! Humans are so creative they must be the image of God & the Goddess. They are the beautiful Golden Children.

Mark, Ra, Jan,

When I look at the board and I see a weaving, with balance and semitry, Yin and Yang.

There is an Egyptian Goddess who wove the universe, I will look up her name and fill you in.

LOVE

PEACE

G

May the Hand of the Goddess Always be with You.

Hi Georia, post 72 (ooh, there are 72 names of God in the Jewish tradition), I can help you with the Egyptian Goddess. Her name is Nu, Nuit and "another secret name I will give him when at last he knoweth me." She is the brilliant night sky, dark blue, with points of light infinitely shining. She reminds us that we are each an infinite point of light, a shining star. "Every man, woman and child is a star."
Interesting that the Mayan Tzolkin is a weave also, like the Chess board. And now for my move,
The next question, if you draw an "X" on the Chess Board, how many squares are in this "X"? Oh, I almost forgot, what color is this "X"
In Lake'ch

Bon nuit (good night in french) Good Goddess,Prrrrrrrr.

LOVE

G

May the Hand of the Goddess always be with You.

Ref 73

if you draw an "X" on the Chess Board, how > many squares are in this "X"?

Ron if you take the "one" square (chess board) and divide it on both sides you get 4 squares

if you divide again you get 16 squares (X in the center)

if you divide the magic 3rd time you get 64 squares

So the number sequence is:

1,4,16,64

1+4+16+64 = 85 = (17 x 5)

the alpha & omega of the sequence added is: 1 + 64 = 65 (mirror of Crowley's 56)

the 2 center numbers added is: 4 + 16 = 20 (number of mayan glyphs)

N U I T 5+3+9+2 = 19 = 1+9 = 10 = 6+4 = 64

NU = 53

53 + 5+6 = 64 number of chess squares

C H E C K M A T E 3 8 5 3 2 4 1 2 5 = 33

If you sum these names you get a 33:

Pacal Votan (mayan, Temple of Palenque)

Bolon Ik (female spirit guide to Pacal)

Merlyn(the wizard)

3 is the orbit of Earth moving from the Sun outwards (exhale) to the galaxy.

3 is the orbit of Uranus moving into the Sun inwards (inhale) from the galaxy.

3 & 3 is our 33 and when we add 20 Mayan solar glyphs we get 53 (NU) the Goddess.

:: May the Hand of the Goddess NU always be with All.

Georgia Albert - 12:27pm Jan 14, 1999 MST (76)

Ref.# 73

Ron,

X Marks the spot.

What color is it, suprise me.

In Roman Numerals "X" is 10. Goddess + God

A circle with a diameter of 8, has a circumfence of 25.12, does this number have any special meanings.

LOVE

G

May the Hand of the Goddess Always be with you.

Hi Georgia, post 76, the color of the X would be both colors, one line black one line white.
25.12 is significant. 25 + 12 = 37, number of glyphs in my Clear Light Calendar. 36 is a sacred number of geometry, ie: 36, 72, 108, 144, 180, 216, etc.
2 + 5 + 1 + 2 = 10
25 divided by 12 = 2.0833333

R O N = 9 6 5 = 20

M A R K = 4 1 9 2 = 16

G E O R G I A = 7 5 6 9 7 9 1 = 44 7 + 20 + 16 + 44 = 87

if we add the following: 64 squares+1 board + 4+18 love = 87

Note the 4 can symbolize: o us four in this discussion o it can symbolize the 4 rooks that guard the 4 corners o the king & queen of both colors o the 4 center squares where the "X" crosses that Ron mentioned Recall NU = 53 , 53 + 16 pieces + 16 pieces + 2 players = 87 Recall LOVE = 18 and 18 + 18 + 18 + 18 + 15 = 87 Notive we have 4 18's (4 of us) and 15 = 8+7 In the Mayan glyphs used in their calendar the 18th glyph is the White Mirror that carries the power of Endlessness and the 15th glyph is the Blue Eagle which carries the power of Vision. Thus converting the numbers above into mayan harmonics: combined we have a "Endless Vision of Love". :: The Hand & Heart of the Goddess Touches ALL

An "X" within a circle. Mark what will the numbers of the "X" and the numbers of the circle do? X = Kiss O = hug OX OX OX G May the Hand of the Goddess Always be with Us.

Ref 82 X in a circle circle = 360 and X = 5 360 / 5 = 72 + 1 = 73 mirrored = 37 01 x 37 = 37 03 x 37 = 111 06 x 37 = 222 09 x 37 = 333 12 x 37 = 444 15 x 37 = 555 18 x 37 = 666 21 x 37 = 777 24 x 37 = 888 27 x 37 = 999 Notice that we moved by three's (trinity) in the multiplication of 37. The number 37 refers to hydrogen the first element according to US Bureau of Standards the physical constant of hydrogen is 37 / 27 x 100 What is 27? 27 is the number of light (3 x 9, 9+9+9) The speed of Light is 186,000 and we look at Einstien's E = M x C2 C2 = 186,000 x 186,000 = 34,596,000,000 3 + 4 + 5 + 9 + 6 + 0+0+0+0+0+0 = 27 E = M x C2 can also be written M = E / C2 E = 37 (energy) C2 =27 (light) M = 37 / 27 = 1.370370370....repeated forever 1 / 37 = .027027027027...repeated forever 1 / 27 = .037037037037...repeated forever 27 + 10 = 37 (what was 10?) 37 + 27 = 64 the number of squares on the Chess board. The Light of the Goddess, God, and Radiant Child are within ALL. 999 9 - Light of the Goddess 9 - Light of the God 9 - Light of the Radiant Child

Ref: # 84

Ron,

On the right track.

sept = 7 September is the 7th month

oct = 8 October is the 8th month

nov = 9 November is the 9th month

dec = 10 December is the 10th month

365/13=28.10

I figure the calander origanally had 13 months. We have the names of the 2nd, 7th, 8th, 9th and 10th months, what are the names of the missing months.

The gestation period of a human being is 280 days, 10 lunar months. Eloquent.

LOVE

PEACE

G

May the Hand of the Goddess Always be with You.

Ron Adams - 08:47pm Jan 16, 1999 MST (86)

Georgia, I was pointing out how sloppy they were at naming the months, September is really the 9th month and it is latin for Septem, 7, October is the 10th Month is is latin for Octa, 8, November is the 11th month and means 9, Deca means 10 and December is the 12th month. Very sloppy. At least they created nice Gregorian chants. The Mayan's on the other hand used chaos and symmetry to create beauty and synchronicity. 13 moon in the Mayan calendar. 28 days each. There are no missing months. 13 Zodiac signs, adding Orphiuchis.
Now how does this relate to the Chess game? 64 squares on the board, and the board. 16 pieces per player, and 2 players.

64 + 1 + 16 + 1 + 16 + 1 = 99. One less than 100.
13 + 28 + 13 + 20 + 25 = 99. Now, where does the 20 and the 25 come from? 9 + 9 = 18. 18 is the Moon, the Number of the Goddess, and the Number of Love.

Ref post 86 - neat Ron!!

Now, where does the 20 and the 25 come from?

20 may refer to the 20 solar tribes (glyphs) of the Mayan calendar. Or the 20 fingers and toes on a person. Or the 13 Mayan tones and the 7 chakras 13+7=20.

20+25 = 45 = 4+5 = 9 = 1+8 = 18 Love

45 - 32 pieces = 13

13 - 2 players = 11

11 - 1 board = 10

What are glyphs 20 & 25 in Dreamstar?

Ref.# 85

Remember the perimeter of the Chess board, 28 squares, lunar cycle and woman's cycle.

LOVE

PEACE

G

May the Hand of the Goddess Always be with You.

Ref.# 85

To this day we use the Lunar calender. It is the deck of standard playing cards. There are 52 cards representing the 52 weeks of the year, there are 13 sets of 4, 13 months of 4 weeks each. The Joker is the odd day in the year.

The Goddess Fortuna

LOVE

G

May the Hand of the Goddess Always be with You.

Post 89....He, he, is that Joker like leap year or something? The leaping green man, the plus one factor....Hum, I wonder what post 99 will say?

ref 88 & 89

28 day cycle - 28 perimeter of chess board

28 + 82 = 110 = 10 x 10 + 10 which we saw in a prior post.

The Joker is the odd day in the year The leaping green man, the plus one

The Tarot deck has 78 cards perhaps Ron can tell about these.

Ref. 89

When you look at a deck of standard playing cards you will notice the trinity, Mother, Father and Child( Queen, King, Knave). Then comes the other ten, remember the gestation period of humans, 10 Lunar months, this is the ones through 10. By the way, Ace is latin for one.

LOVE

G

May the Hand of the Goddess Always be with You.

Mark Borcherding - 10:23pm Jan 18, 1999 MST (93

Ref 89 :: neat Georgia that you found the trinity. It is in Chess as well

... many times. Here is one of them:

Player 1, Player 2, Game. --- Others?

A C E = 1+3+5 = 9

Hmmm... ACE = 1 and 9

1 + 9 = 10

10 Lunar months (28 x 10 = 280)

280 / 9 = 31.11111111...repeats forever

A R C T U R U S = 1+9+3+2+3+9+3+1 = 31

.11111111... = Infinite One

Ref.# 89

The standard deck of playing cards has 2 Jokers. This accounts for the odd day and leap year.

The Ace can be either high or low, so it would follow that the calender is circular.

The answers lay before you.

LOVE

G

May the Hand of the Goddess always be with You.

ref #94

J O K E R S = 1+6+2+5+9+1 = 24

24 + 1+1+1+1 + 24 = 52

Joker Aces Joker

64 chess board squares + 1 board = 65

65 - 52 = 13

13 is the number of tones and months in the Mayan calendar. 13 = 1+3 = 4 = 1+1+1+1

A C E = 1+3+5 = 9

56 + 9 = 65

65 / 13 = 5 = pentagram = female star = goddess

Ref# 87

Remember the Chess board, the center is 4, the next outward is 12, then 20 and 28 for the outer perimeter. Here is the 20.

LOVE

Georgia

ref #96

8 + 04 = 12

8 + 12 = 20

8 + 20 = 28

Notice we see 8 added three times "trinity" and we also saw that if we started with

one square and split the x and y we would get 4, 16, 64 again 3 splits.

Above we saw an 888 a trinity of "8's" the 8th Mayan glyph is Yellow Star (Lamat).

12 + 20 + 28 = 60

60 / 3 = 20

60 / 18 = 3.3333333333... repeats forever -or- "Infinite Trinity"

recall 18 = LOVE (3+6+4+5)

5 + 18+18+18 + 5 = 64

In Mayan 5 is the Overtone tone of Radiance and when you add two overtones you get 10

which is the Planetary tone of Manifestation.

The Goddess is smiling with outstreched Arms to embrace All.

I don't pretend to understand all this numbers stuff - it just seems like a lot of numbers to me! - but I do like the idea, Mark, at your post 81, of 2 Kings and 2 Queens! Query, is the fact that we are going to have two months in 1999 with blue moons (two full moons in one month, as my latest issue of Newsweek was so good as to inform me, last night) significant? In fact, we have the second full moon coming up on, I believe, January 31, and again, I think, in March (I'll check the date).

Ref #98

Jan not unusual for people to have problems with number but think of them as universal symbols. Alot easier to see relationships with numbers sometimes than words. The connections between things sometimes are alot more clear with number.

B L U E M O O N = 2+3+3+5+4+6+6+5 = 34

34 = 16 white + 16 black + 1 white player + black 1 player

J E S U S C H R I S T = 1 5 1 3 1 3 8 9 9 1 2 = 43

Notice 43 is the mirror of 34 above

43 = 4+3 = 7

34 = 3+4 = 7

34 + 43 = 77

Look at a painting of "the last supper" and you will notice Christ is in the center "7th" position.

We have mentioned 13 alot recently refering to the Mayan and other indigeneous calendars look at this:

64 chess squares + 13 = 77

77 + 28 days = 105 and this so happens is the difference between the Mayan 260 kin calendar and our 365 day calendar.

365 - 260 = 105

So look at all the connections made via number ... what fun.

This is message 99 and 9+9 = 18

L O V E 3+6+4+5 = 18

The Love of the Godd

Chess, God, and Child a Trinity be with All. 

Ron Adams - 12:58pm Jan 21, 1999 MST (#100 of 672)
"I'm the flame that burns in every heart of man, and in the core of every star. I am Life."

Hey Mark, you are the Fool, the Ace in the Hole, the Leaping Green Man. You landed in the 99 post. Remember my prediction on post 90?

Yes, gestation is important, whether it is a life form, a chess move, a new idea whose time has come, or just playing around. The human pregnancy can be anywhere from 260 to 280 days. The Mayan

Tzolkin is 260 days long. 13 x 20.

How is "Pieces of Eight" coming along, Georgia? Any new Pyramid insights?

One could look at the capture of the King as either capturing the Pope or Christ. I think that there are older Chess sets that use them as the symbol. I think also the Hierophant has been used as a symbol of the King.

If we have King and Queen, which piece is the Child (Fool)?
Next move.
Peace
Sunwolf

POSTS 101- 150