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The Weave Posts 101- 150

     

 


Georgia Albert - 01:01pm Jan 21, 1999 MST (#101 of 672)

We are making music.

Love makes the world go round, Love makes the world go round.

Can we pull a piramid out the Chess board?

LOVE = 18 = 9+9 = 6+6+6

G

May the Hand of the Goddess Always be with You.



Georgia Albert - 01:15pm Jan 21, 1999 MST (#102 of 672)

I read that a very powerful Egyptian woman had a piramid built for herself. I wonder which piramid she had built, and what are the dementions of that piramid.

The Child and the King are one. The Kings mother will always see him as her Child.

LOVE

G

May the Hand of the Goddess Always be with You.



Mark Borcherding - 11:29pm Jan 21, 1999 MST (#103 of 672)
dare to dream upon your own star

ref 100

Yes I remember your 99 post and I also remember that alot of adults claim that childish = foolish ... I would be proud to be the fool.

King - male aspect of self (player) Queen - female aspect of self (player) Player - child aspect of self (playing)

The next post after 99 Ron was you and 100 = 10 x 10 or (2x5) x (2x5)

Ref 101

Here is a pryamid take the 4 rooks as the base 4 points of the pyramid and then either one or both of the players form a cap.

4 points + 1 cap = 5

then if we add a second cap (player) for the pyramid pointing downward (hidden):

5 (previous) + 1 cap (hidden) = 6

The gentle touch of the Goddess caresses the Inner Child.



Jan Newton - 03:29am Jan 22, 1999 MST (#104 of 672)

Mark, you have blown me completely away! 34 and 43 and 7 and 77, wow! I confess I was thinking more along the lines of the lunar calendar/woman's cycle and how that might be affected by two full moons in one month, a rarity by all accounts. After the second one we have this year on March 31, the next blue moon won't be until, I think, 2003. I should check out myths related to that... Georgia, you are right about the Mother/Goddess always thinking of the King as her son. The origins of the trinity (God/Goddess/Son) protype go all the way back to the Babylon that arose in Nimrod's day, within a couple of hundred years after the Flood. All the subsequent cultures adopted and adapted the original trinity that arose out of Nimron/Semeremis/Ninus in their own religious beliefs; thus, for example, you have Isis/Osiris/Horus; wife/husband who was killed and reincarnated as the son. Ron, interesting musings about the King and Queen. Thus far my researches have uncovered that originally the Queen was the weakest piece on the Board. It was only in the early Renaisance (sp?) that the Queen's powers were greatly increased to speed up the game. But, why the Queen??? Why not the Counsellor/Bishop, or the Knights??? I have located some comprehensive chess histories at our main library and will try to make a trip there this weekend. Maybe I can find something on this. Earth/Wind/Fire/Water. I think I am Earth. Who are you???



Georgia Albert - 05:59am Jan 22, 1999 MST (#105 of 672)

Here is how to pull a piramid out of a Chess board. Get a magnifing glass and a One dollar bill. How many stones go accross the base and how many rows up?

An octohedren-- hmmm The crystaline form of diamond, gold, iron, hematite, spinel, chromite, florite, franklinite, is octohedral.

LOVE

OX

G

May the Hand of the Goddess always be with You.



Georgia Albert - 06:04am Jan 22, 1999 MST (#106 of 672)

Ref. # 103

Everybody plays the fool.

How does that tune go?

OX

G

May the Hand of the Goddess always be with You.



Jan Newton - 06:10am Jan 22, 1999 MST (#107 of 672)

Quick research on blue moons: once every 19 years we get two months with two blue moons: 1980, 1999, 2018, 2037, etc. 1999, 2018 and 2037 all have two moons in the months of January and March. Georgia, I'm trying to find out information about a female pyramid builder but so far no luck. However, you might want to check out Queen Hatshepsut 1503-1480 B.C. who named herself Pharoah upon the death of her husband, Thutmose II, and ruled for 20 years, during which she sent out trading expeditions down the Red Sea and the coast of Africa and brought great prosperity to the land. Her nephew, Thutmose III, who was the heir apparent when Thutmose II died, apparently deposed her when he grew up, but it still took him 20 years to retake the throne. She must have been some gal! P. S. next blue moons are 12/30/2001, 7/31/04, 6/30/07, 12/31/09.



Jan Newton - 06:38am Jan 22, 1999 MST (#108 of 672)

Georgia, I'm humming "Everybody Plays the Fool". Can you hear me (good thing you can't. My humming is even worse than my singing)!



Ron Adams - 11:19am Jan 22, 1999 MST (#109 of 672)
"I'm the flame that burns in every heart of man, and in the core of every star. I am Life."

Jan, a blue moon is only noticed when you have an artificial 12 moon Solar Year. We have a 13 Moon Solar Year. Every 36 years and every 19 years we have these unusual line-ups, where we make up for the fractional moon, and thus it appears to be 14 Moons when we have two blue moons in one year. Does this make sense? It is the illusional of false Gregorian time, which iccidentally, was formulated by the Sumerians when they took out the 13th Zodiac sign, Orphiucus. Actually if one is Scorpio, you are probably Orphiucian, the Whale. The Sun astronomically is only in Scorpio 4 days, and the rest in Orphiucus. I have researched this and have the site somewhere.
Let's see, Mark do you remember the significance of the every 36 years?



Georgia Albert - 01:00pm Jan 22, 1999 MST (#110 of 672)

Ref. # 85

I found this information in an old astronomy book.

Julius Caesar renamed the month Quintilis ( the 5th month), we know it as July after himself. The next emperor, Augustus Caesar, also named a month after hiself. Choosing the one called Sextilus ( The 6th month), he made it August.

I wonder if the M.I.V (men in violet) read this thread? he..he..he

OX

LOVE

G

May the Manna Always be with You.



Mark Borcherding - 01:58pm Jan 22, 1999 MST (#111 of 672)
dare to dream upon your own star

Ron regarding 36 years the light from Arcturus take about 36 years to reach us. I believe there is a 36 year relation between Jupiter and something else in solar system.

Georgia look at post 103 at the end it mentions 5&6 in regard to octahedron and in post 110 you mention months 5 & 6. Hmmmm..

The Goddess cooked us some Manna :)



Ron Adams - 08:37pm Jan 22, 1999 MST (#112 of 672)
"I'm the flame that burns in every heart of man, and in the core of every star. I am Life."

Oh Yes, I remember, every 36 years is when the Mayan Dreamspell completes a cycle and comes back to alignment, when Day one of the Tzolkin is also Day 1 of a Galactic Spin, Moon.



Georgia Albert - 02:55am Jan 23, 1999 MST (#113 of 672)

I found the M.I.V ( men in violet) at work again. I was reading "Compilation of Works of Art and Other Objects in the United States Capitol" 1965 edition. Look what I found : "In God We Trust" In 1962 three of the stars [the trinity] in back of the Speaker's rostrum in the House Chamber were removed and this inscription was placed there December 19, 1962 in accordance with House Res. 740, 87th Congress, 2nd session. This time they not only killed off the Goddess, they killed off the Child and the Family too.

How did the M.I.V get this on? What about separation of church and state. Are the Supreme Court Justices in pocket with the M.I.V.? Why don't the churches and religious organizations pay property taxes like everyone else? Hmmmmmm ???

LOVE

PEACE

G

May the Hand of the Goddess always be with You.



Mark Borcherding - 03:57am Jan 23, 1999 MST (#114 of 672)
dare to dream upon your own star

Knights Templar

Knight = Night = La Nuit = Nuit = Nu

Note the Knight moves in a "L" pattern and L is the first letter of Love.

8 is the number of the Goddess Isis "Daughter of Nu"

8 x 8 = 64 squares of the Chess board

4 x 4 x 4 = 64

8 + 8 + 4 + 4 + 4 = 28 = moon cycle (female period)

28 + 36 = 64

I recall Ron mentioning 36 in his post.

7+7+7+7 = 28

9+9+9+9 = 36

Note that "8" is the bridge between 7 & 9 Isis is bridging us from 7 to 9 what could this be?

In a book I have 7 is symbolic of Androgeny and 9 is symbolic of both birth and death.

Recall 16 pieces + 1 player = 17 and the number 9 is in the center between 1 thru 17.



Georgia Albert - 10:53am Jan 24, 1999 MST (#115 of 672)

Mark,

What do you know about the history of the Knights Templar?

LOVE

G

May the Hand of the Goddess Always be with You.



Georgia Albert - 11:40am Jan 24, 1999 MST (#116 of 672)

The world is a Chess Board and we are the players.

Sounds alot like a quote from Ms. Francise Bacon.

LOVE

G

May the Manna Always be with You.



Mark Borcherding - 09:13pm Jan 24, 1999 MST (#117 of 672)
dare to dream upon your own star

Georgia,

I just know a little of the history of the Knights of Templar they used sacred geometry and held the Madonna in upmost esteem some would say higher than God at least the Catholic church probably felt that way. They also appeared to be financially successful in the begginning which may have been an even bigger issue with church.

There is a good book called "Genesis: The First Book of Revelations" by David Wood. It even has a short chapter on Chess. I have not read the whole book yet. He focuses on an area in France called Rennes-le-Chateau.



Jan Newton - 03:57am Jan 25, 1999 MST (#118 of 672)

Ron, if we used a 30 day 12 month year like the Hebrews, would we get only one blue moon every 36 or whatever years? Georgia, Graham Hancock wrote a very interesting book about his search for the lost Ark of the Covenant, and in it he has a ton of history about the Knights Templar and the persecution from the Roman Catholic Church that drove them, finally, underground. I forget the name of the book, but supposedly there is a small church somewhere in Ethiopia that claims to have the Ark in its possession and has been guarding it ever since it was smuggled out of Jerusalem in 800 BCE or thereabouts. I found nothing specific about "blue moons" in my research on legends associated with same; that would make sense because the ancients used different calendars, as Ron pointed out. I am surprised that some millenialist group hasn't seized upon the happening of two blue moons in 1999 as some sort of sign or other. What does the 8 stand for in "classic" numerology? I forget exactly what it meant, but have some thought that it had to do with financial matters, earning money, career, employment, that kind of thing. If that is so, it wouldn't seem to mean anything as a link in the context we've been exploring. As a chess piece, the Bishop would be a very "8" kind of guy.



Ron Adams - 05:50pm Jan 25, 1999 MST (#119 of 672)
"I'm the flame that burns in every heart of man, and in the core of every star. I am Life."

Jan, I don't know what would happen with 360 day years, everything would be out of sync, and by 36 years we'd be 180 days off, so winter would be summer. Not a very good analogy, but probably why they had to change the Julian Calendar during the time of Pope Gregory the 13th.
8 has a double meaning, as pointed out by Aleister Crowley, 8 can be the 11 trump, Strength, Lust. 8 is traditionally Balance, the Libra card. Lust is the Aries card. He pointed out that Aries and Libra were interchangable (there's that 180 degrees thing again).


Georgia, Robert Anton Wilson's fiction, "The Secrets of the Illuminati" will floor you. I would highly recommend it. Have you discovered the secret to immortality yet?


Mark, they use to call the Secret of Sex Magik in these Secret Orders the Secret of the 9 degrees. Interesting that 180 divided by 9 = 20.
Peace
Sunwolf



Mark Borcherding - 10:39pm Jan 25, 1999 MST (#120 of 672)
dare to dream upon your own star

Just read this and found our 64 "chess" again:

Between the Sphinx and the Khefren pyramid Hawass and his staff have discovered a hitherto unknown subterranean shaft, reaching a depth of 29 meters [96 feet, approximately]. In the bottom of the shaft they found a stone sarcophagus surrounded by water. If Hawass's theory holds, he has found the grave of Osiris, the god of death.
96 * 12 = 1152 inches / 18 cubit = 64

96 = 16 black pieces + 16 white pieces + 64 squares



Ron Adams - 11:49pm Jan 25, 1999 MST (#121 of 672)
"I'm the flame that burns in every heart of man, and in the core of every star. I am Life."

Kephra is the Sun at Midnight, or the Beetle, the Black Sun. The Sphinx represents the male/female/, human/animal motif. In legend Osiris was hacked into 14 pieces by his evil brother Set and laid at places along the Nile. So if we add Osiris, Isis, and Set as the main 3 pieces, King, Queen, and Rook, the the other 13 pieces (remember we have already counted one piece of Osiris as the king) would equal our 16 chess pieces once again.


Hum, Mark you may have stumbled onto something here. It is also interesting, as Jan has brought up about the 5 days, missing from the 360 day years. In Egyptian legend Geb and Nuit (Earth and Sky), ask Thoth to stop time so they could give birth to their five children: Isis, Osiris, Nephthys, Horus and Set. Thoth won these 5 days by playing a game like checkers with the Moon and in the course of several games won 72nd part of the Moon's light with which he created five new days. As these days did not belong to the official Egyptian calendar of 360 day, Nuit was able to give birth successively to her five children. This suggest an older memory on the Earth of a time when the Moon wasn't in the orbit she is in today.
Peace
Sunwolf


Jan Newton - 03:58am Jan 26, 1999 MST (#122 of 672)

Cool legend, Ron. I wonder how closely the game Thoth played with the Moon resembled chess, or if it was a forerunner of chess? Isn't Selene/Astarte/Ishtar/Isis all the same person - the moon goddess (or some aspect of her)? Mark, 72 (for the 72nd of light Thoth won from the Moon's light) minus 64 = 8. There's that 8 again. Here's a hypothesis for you all (bear with me now): the Great Flood or Deluge was caused by the canopy of waters suspended above the Earth after it was created allowed to crash down and wipe out everything that wasn't in the ark. I'm sure I could find an estimate of the cubic tons of water that would represent in a biblical encyclopedia. What if all that water weight, combined with the opening of the "springs of the watery deep" caused a shift in the Earth's rotational axis, or its rotation around the Sun itself. Would this affect the length of a year?



Jan Newton - 04:27am Jan 26, 1999 MST (#123 of 672)

Re my earlier post about Graham Hancock's book and the Knights Templar, I mentioned the wrong book. He also wrote a book, which title I forget, about the search for the Holy Grail, and THAT is the book that goes into great detail about the history of the Knights Templar.



Ron Adams - 11:06am Jan 26, 1999 MST (#124 of 672)
"I'm the flame that burns in every heart of man, and in the core of every star. I am Life."

Jan, I knew psychically that you would pick up on the 8. Graham Hancock has written two other books, one on Giza, and one on the Mayan discoveries.


Yes all those are aspects of the Goddess. I too believe that there was a great deluge, too.
Imagine this, that Egyptians couldn't figuire out why 360 day calendar wasn't working, and that every 36 years the seasons were reversed. Instead of reworking the Calendar, they built pyramids, in hopes that they would keep the earth aligned and stayed in her orbit. Ok, I know that sounds weird, that the Egyptians couldn't be that dumb, but it is a thought.
Sunwolf



Georgia Albert - 12:20pm Jan 26, 1999 MST (#125 of 672)

Osiris was cut into 14 pieces by his brother Set and the pieces were scattered along the Nile. Isis search the Nile for the pieces, but could only find 13 of the pieces, the missing piece was his penis, so Isis fashioned a penis from earth and made love to Osiris and concieved Horus. Horus fought Set to avenge his fathers death. Horus won and Set was sent to the underworld.

LOVE

G

May the Hand of the Goddess always be with You.



Georgia Albert - 04:09pm Jan 26, 1999 MST (#126 of 672)

I was cruzing the web and I found this information: Imediately south of the Sphinx they are excavating a wall and the name of the wall is "The Wall of the Crow". Remember the definition of the Rook. This is a very long wall, the archaeologist are working on it now. I wonder could the Giza platue be laid out as a Chess board. I will keep a close eye on the dementions.

I also discovered that the red piramid at Dashur will be opened soon. It is 343 ft. high. There are 97 known piramids. Dashur was a military complex for many years so access to the piramid was not possible.

LOVE

G

May the Hand of the Goddess always be with You.



Jan Newton - 03:22am Jan 27, 1999 MST (#127 of 672)

Ron, I don't know about that 8. It just jumped right out at me. I wonder if it speaks to hitherto unknown aspects of my character...hmmm, strength/lust being interchangeable with balance. I didn't know I had it in me! The 8 was a key figure/number in the novel "The Eight". I am going to have to read that book again. Found some interesting info on the Web about the Knights Templar, for instance, in their daily routine (that is, when they weren't fighting or rescuing damsels in distress) they started the day by saying 28 Pater Nosters, 14 "for the hours of the day" and 14 for the Virgin Mary. They were supposed to say four sets of these a day. Hmmmm... Then at first meal at lunchtime they met in communal group and said 60 Pater Nosters. The Knights' origin was in the Middle East, where chess had been played since the 600's C.E. In my researches, I read the chess especially caught on with the religious orders in Europe; since the Knights were a monastic order, it follows that they probably not only played chess, but perhaps also played with the Saracens, with whom they were on sort of friendly-enemy terms. One could speculate endlessly on these connections. I seem to recall reading also that the "Knight" was originally called something else. Perhaps it became the "Knight" because of the Knights Templar.



Mark Borcherding - 03:51am Jan 27, 1999 MST (#128 of 672)
dare to dream upon your own star

The Knight is the only piece that can make a 90 degree turn.

Put a knight on the board and then sketch the positions it can occupy then look at the picture:

X
X
X
X
X
 
X
X
X
Knight
X
X
X
X
X
 
X
X
X

Notice the pattern and the fact the knight is in the "Center".



Jan Newton
- 04:10am Jan 27, 1999 MST (#129 of 672)

Found some very interesting info about the Eye of Horus. I can e-mail anyone the site if you're interested. The entire eye measured 1 heqat. 1/64 heqat = touch; 1/32 heqat = taste; 1/16 heqat = hearing; 1/8 heqat = thought; 1/4 heqat = signt; 1/2 heqat = smell. Also, 320 ro (a very small unit of measure, apparently) = 1 heqat. Look at all those numbers that keep cropping up in Chess!



Jan Newton - 04:29am Jan 27, 1999 MST (#130 of 672)

P. S. I was looking for some more info on pyramids when I ran across five sites on pyramids in CHINA! Way too cool! There are pictures; at least 100 that these various travelers are aware of, but the government isn't doing anything (apparently) about investigating them. The biggest one is supposedly 1,000 feet tall with a 1,500 foot base, even bigger than the one at Giza. What is really interesting about this is in my researches on chess history I ran across a site that was a monograph on how chess originated, not in India, as general consensus holds (but not me), but in China! The author was very critical of Murray, who wrote the seminal book on chess history around the turn of the century, on which all subsequent chess histories are based. Sort of like some translations being based on the erroneous King James translation of the Bible. Ron, one of the sites I found theorized that the pyramids in Egypt and in China were built by an alien race to stablize the Earth's rotational axis. This cannot be coincidence, since we were speculating about this a few posts ago. I don't think the pyramids were built by aliens, but their original purpose may have been as speculated. Look forward to all of the group's input on these findings.



Jan Newton - 05:10am Jan 27, 1999 MST (#131 of 672)

P.P.S. The game of Chinese chess is called "xiangqi". The Chinese pyramids are primarily located in Shensi Province (the communist name), which used to be called "Xian". The city southwest of where the primary pyramids are located is still apparently called "Xian". Coincidence??? I wonder what "xian" means in Chinese?



Ron Adams - 06:04pm Jan 27, 1999 MST (#132 of 672)
"I'm the flame that burns in every heart of man, and in the core of every star. I am Life."

I have been tuning into this for days. What about checkers? I forget how many squares in the board, and how many checkers do each player get? I feel that this is tied in to our Chess discussion somehow.
Xien is interesting Jan. I am sure it is important to our discussion. That is interesting that you found a discussion about pyramids being used to balance Earth on her axis. There is also a theory that our moon is not orginally Earth's and it was placed here to also balance Earth's axis and rotation.
Peace
Sunwolf



Jan Newton - 03:26am Jan 28, 1999 MST (#133 of 672)

Ron, I haven't played checkers in years. I think each player gets 16. I tried looking up "Xian" on a few Chinese-English dictionaries, but they are all based on the Chinese characters, not the English alphabet. I can get a translation from English into the Chinese characters, but I can't get a literal translation of "Xian" and "Xiangqi" into English equivalent. Do any of you know someone who speaks Chinese who maybe could translate these words into literal English? This may not have anything to do with chess, but then again, it may. For example, the literal translation into English of the Chinese characters that make up the words "the Great Flood" are "eight people in a boat". See what I mean...



Philip Mistlberger - 08:11am Jan 28, 1999 MST (#134 of 672)

Georgia, not true about the Red Pyramid of Dashour "just opening" (if that's what you meant). I was inside the Red Pyramid in March of 98'. I even banged my head on the top of the entry passageway for good measure. It's a fantastic, impressive pyramid, almost as much so as the Cheops and Chephren pyramids of Giza.

After looking into the matter for a long time and doing meditations in the major Egyptian pyramids, I personally suspect that they were exoterically religious edifices, mesoterically energy accumulators, and esoterically centers of ritual initiation. Anyone with some meditation training, in conjunction with "visiting the field" tends to have similar insights. The "balancing the earth" theory seems outlandish at first glance (owing to the enormous mass differential) but if the Great Pyramid was in fact an energy accumulator (microwaves is what the suspected wavelength was of the resultant energy, achieved by tapping the Earth's rotational kinetic field), then who knows? Right now there are so many speculations and disagreements event amongst the mystical cognoscenti that anything is possible.

Quite the discussion here. The connection between the chess Knight and the Egyptian neter Nut is interesting Mark, particularly since only the knight can "jump over", and when you go inside the Mastabas (tombs) in the Valley of the Kings across the river from Luxor, the Goddess Nut is usually painted on the ceilings, arching OVER everything else, much like a Knight's "jump". For me this movement has always symbolized an "interdimensional leap", much like an Out of Body Experience. The energy in the King's Chamber of the Great Pyramid is extraordinary, and for a sensitive, open person is enough to catalyze an upper chakra opening that can lead to an OBE. Much of Egyptian ritual was probably based on this, as per their intricate after-life mystic corpus. The after-life conditions can only be understood through direct "gnosis" obtained through soul-travel (OBE's). When I lay down in the sarcophagus of the King's Chamber I felt extraordinary energy and a peculiar sens e of being in the "centre of the world". Many who have been in this chamber have had this feeling. The "centre" would represent the heart chakra, (knight in the Centre?), love, the feminine, and the element of "air" (traditionally associated with the heart chakra). In the old Hermetic schools "air" is the element representing interdimensional movement, ruled in the animal kingdom by birds, and we know what the Egyptians said about birds (Horus, the falcon)....



Philip Mistlberger - 12:02pm Jan 28, 1999 MST (#135 of 672)

Okay, now you've got me going...

Reading the original posts on this site from last month. A few points to make...

Mark, I don't think the king is just another pawn. Mathematically, in chess a pawn equals roughly 1 unit, a knight 3, a bishop 3.5 (the knight is generally superior in the middle-game, bishop in the end-game), a rook 5, and a queen 9. The king is numerically equal to infinity, because the moment he is "immobilized" (mated) the game is over.

Thus, although the queen is the most powerful, the king is the most important -- the central figure around which the game rotates. The queen, like all the others, is merely a means to an end. In fact, some of the most famous grandmaster games have involved queen sacrifices in order to immobilize the opponent's king.

All fairly straightforward, but in the context of your discussion, Georgia, here's where it gets interesting for me. I suspect that chess does originate in India, because Indian culture is the only one that exhalts the feminine, in terms of power. Hinduism is largely a feminine religion (caste system notwithstanding), a polytheistic mosaic where the female counterpart always precedes the male (Radhe-Krishna, Shakti-Shiva).

"Shakti" (the female force) in Sanskrit means "power", or "energy". "Shiva" (the male force) means many things, but the direct translation is "benevolent". Its symbolism is the mountain; Shakti is the wind. Thus, the Shakti force is the powerful wind of the manifest universe; the Shiva principle is the silent presence in the background. So, the Indian Tantric schools taught that a woman must express power in order to achieve the balance that her incarnation dictates, and a man must express benevolence (non-reactivity, like a mountain) in order to come to balance.

These ideas fit with chess, where the queen (shakti) is all-powerful (like the Goddess in the Pagan traditions) and the king is silent, though vital, in the background. Again, the Indian culture exhalted the female for thousands of years, so it seems a fair bet that chess derives from there.

This is all consistent with Sacred Geometry, where the male (straight line) preceeds the female (curved line). At the original central point of existence a straight line is extended in all directions, equidistant from the centre point. Join all the end points together and you have a sphere, the birth of the female force. Then, it is the female that actually "creates" the cosmos. In Hebrew this creationary force is known as "Ruach", in Christian tradition it is the Holy Spirit. The Hindus called it "prana". It is the manifest power of existence. And, yes, I believe that the patriarchy obscured this over time by neutering the Goddess into simply the "Holy Ghost".



Georgia Albert - 01:36pm Jan 28, 1999 MST (#136 of 672)

Welcome Philip,

WOW

What took you so long to get here?

Glad your here.

LOVE

G

May the Hand of the Goddess always be with You.



Georgia Albert - 02:20pm Jan 28, 1999 MST (#137 of 672)

This is on the must read list.

Pick up the February 1999 issue of Discover Magazine and read the article "First Americans". According to the magazine Europians have been traveling to the Americas for around 20,000 years. Hmmmmmmmm Does that mean Columbus didn't discover America,he..he..he

LOVE

G

May the Hand of the Goddess Always be with You.



Ron Adams - 11:07pm Jan 28, 1999 MST (#138 of 672)
"I'm the flame that burns in every heart of man, and in the core of every star. I am Life."

Hi Philip, post 135 is interesting. The Mayan's called her Bolin Ik, White Spirit Wind. They called the life force ITZ. They knew of chakras and kundalini just like the Hindu, from recent pottery finds in their temple sites.
Jan, I don't know Chinese, but I will do some research. XIAN reminds me of PIAN, or Temple. Perhaps this word refers to the sacredness of the Pyramid sites.
Notice that we have started a Pyramid site too.
Sunwolf



Mark Borcherding - 12:37am Jan 29, 1999 MST (#139 of 672)
dare to dream upon your own star

Philip welcome to the discussion and thanks for your wonderful posts.

Your comment about the point (male) and lines radiating to form the sphere (female) made me think of the Egyptian solar disk which is a circle with a dot in the middle.

S H A K T I (female) 1 8 1 2 2 9 = 23

S H I V A (male) 1 8 9 4 1 = 23

23 + 23 = 46 (chromosomes?)

Chess board has 64 squares 64 reveresed is 46 32 black squares and 32 white squares representing male & female interconnected. 32 = 23 mirrored.

2+3 (female) + 2+3 (male)= 10

Here we have the 1 & the 0 where do we start at 1 or at 0 when counting the digits?

0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9

1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10

Look what happens when we add the two sequences:

1 3 5 7 9 11 13 15 17 19

If we add these together we get 100 (10 x 10)

64 squares + 32 pieces + 2 players + 1 board + 1 (???) = 100



Jan Newton - 05:01am Jan 29, 1999 MST (#140 of 672)

Welcome, Philip! Your insights on Hinduism are interesting with respect to the feminine aspect. As usual, Mark, our wondrous wiz with numbers, has come up with some unique insights based on your comments. The general consensus is that chess arose in India. I don't necessarily think that's true. The queen did not obtain her present powers until the mid 14th century in Europe when her powers were increased to greatly speed up the game, which, under the former rules, might take days and even weeks. Prior to that, she was the weakest piece on the board, not even able to move straight ahead or on the diagonal like a pawn, but only on the diagonal, and under some versions of the game, only one space at a time. Mark, how about adding the "spirit" to the game as the final "+1" to = 100, the spirit being the combined female/male force, you know, along the lines of the sum being greater than the constituent parts. Ron, have posted to the Pyramids discussion. Will be interested to see where that goes.



Mark Borcherding - 09:53am Jan 29, 1999 MST (#141 of 672)
dare to dream upon your own star

Georgia made a request that I post something on 99 relating back to post #99:

99 = 64 + 28 + 7

64 = squares of the chess board

28 = days of the moon

7 = chakras in the body

64 = 6+4 = 10 = 1+0 = 1 "unity"

Now we have turned the 64 into a "1" board: 1 + 28 + 7 = 36

We see that 36 added to its mirror 63 = 99

3+6 + 6+3 = 18

L O V E = 3+6+4+5 = 18

99 = 9+9 = 18 = 1+8 = 9

99 + 9 = 108 = number of prayer beads

9+9+9 = 27 = number of 3 star-tetrahedrons, 3 x trinity

9 x 9 = 81 = number of Isis, mirror of 18

81 + 27 = 108

8+1 + 2+7 = 18 = Love

The number 9 is symbolic of "light" and thus when you have the equal lights of the Goddess and God shining with each other 9+9=18 you have the power of Love. Two lights dancing as opposites birth reality.

It was said in the Bible that 6 is the number of Man so if we have a 6 for man, 6 for woman, 6 for child thus:

666 or 6+6+6 = 18 = Love

If we add Earth orbit 3 "trinity" to this we get:

666 + 333 = 999

9+9+9 = 27 = 9 + 18 = Child + (Man & Woman)

Take a number and divide it by 999 and see what happens.



Philip Mistlberger - 11:01am Jan 29, 1999 MST (#142 of 672)

Your info, Jan, about the change in powers of the queen in the 14th century is interesting and is, I am aware, part of the currently accepted historical paradigm. However, no one really knows for sure, as the origins of chess, much like the Tarot, are not definitively known (as you tireless researchers have no doubt discovered!). Within the realm of speculation, I lean toward a Silk Road connection and northwest India, and a probable blending of trans-cultural influences. According to John Bennett, one of the most reknowned scholars of trans-cultural convergences, parts of Afghanistan (Balkh) were the major crossroads point for the pooling of social and religious traditions. The "pure-land" sect of Buddhism is thought to have derived from the Persian sun-god (though Buddhism itself was birthed in India), and the Islamic (Sufi, in particular) influence bears upon the migration of Buddhist teachings from India through northern Afghanistan and up into Kashgar (western China).

With all this going on, a mix of culture was inevitable, and hence the extreme difficulty in pinning down the origins of things. For eg., Tibetan Buddhism is only 1200 years old, originally influenced by the Shamanistic "Bon" tradition indigenous to Tibet, looks Sino-ish at first glance, yet its origins are Indian. All the Bodhisattvas in the Tibetan pantheon have Indian, in particular Hindu, roots. Hard to tell, initially.

The original point about the relationship between chess and the Goddess traditions may never be answered with certainty, but the connections between female empowerment and historical roots in the Hindu pantheon are valid and interesting.

On a lighter note, I wandered through central and northern India back in the mid-80's, made my way up into Nepal to spend a month visiting a spiritual teacher, and ended up playing chess one day in a Kathmandu bar. At the time I was wearing Hindu prayer beads (hey, it was the 80s!), and my arrogant Nepali opponent assumed I'd be a pushover -- you know, young flakey North American seeker of truth with money to burn. After he lost all four games his attitude changed considerably. For me this reflects a prevailing mind set vis a vis the intellect, that somehow it is given primacy over other qualities, such as intuition, feeling, sensation, psychic sensitivity. That is why ultimately, I doubt whether chess was a "game of the Goddess". Too left-brained. And besides, tournament chess-players (98% of whom are men) are pretty eccentric (I know, I was one!). The general rule of thumb in professional chess is the stronger the player, the more neurotic the person. (Kevin Spraggett, Canadian GM, rare example, genuinely nice guy). All that left-brained analysis makes for a lop-sided boat.

Now, if pagan traditions were introduced to the International Chess Fedaration administrators, that'd be interesting...



Ron Adams - 11:54am Jan 29, 1999 MST (#143 of 672)
"I'm the flame that burns in every heart of man, and in the core of every star. I am Life."

Mark, Jan is right (post 140). What if we add the word "Spirit" for the One, to make the 100?
99 + 1 = 100
999 divided by 100 = 9.99.
999 divided by 108 = 5.55
999 divided by 80 = 2.4875
Peace
Sunwolf



Georgia Albert - 04:35pm Jan 29, 1999 MST (#144 of 672)

Ref: #142

Philip,

Are you absolutly sure that it is not the Game of the Goddess?

Prrrrrr

LOVE

G

May the Hand of the Goddess Always be with You.



Philip Mistlberger - 04:58pm Jan 29, 1999 MST (#145 of 672)

Georgia,

Absolutely sure? Absolutely not. I'm just indulging in Socratic doubt.

As Bertrand Russell once said,

"Dogmatism and scepticism are both, in a sense, absolute philosophies; one is certain of knowing, the other of not knowing. What philosophy should dissipate is CERTAINTY, whether of knowledge or ignorance."



Mark Borcherding - 12:45am Jan 30, 1999 MST (#146 of 672)
dare to dream upon your own star

ref #140 & 143

Jan & Ron - yes that is a great answer "one" spirit.

100 / 999 = .100100100100100...

108 / 999 = .108108108108108...

64 / 999 = .064064064064064...



Georgia Albert - 08:00am Jan 30, 1999 MST (#147 of 672)

I feel that Bertand Russell, would have enjoyed this Thread. He believed in the freedom to LOVE.

OX

LOVE

G

May the Hand of the Goddess Always be with You.



Ron Adams - 05:50pm Jan 30, 1999 MST (#148 of 672)
"I'm the flame that burns in every heart of man, and in the core of every star. I am Life."

Purrrrrr. Georgia, why do they say:
"Curiousity killed the cat?"
I felt that this full moon, I would let the Goddess shine.
How would you use chess to explain this scenerio: someone gives of their talents and gifts, is the mother hen type, and when they fall on bad luck and bad times they feel that everyone is against them and speaking behind their backs. Is this when you lose your last pawn?
Peace
Sunwolf



Georgia Albert - 12:04pm Jan 31, 1999 MST (#149 of 672)

OK Ron, By the light of the Silvery Moon

Information brougth her back. Prrrrrrrrrr

How about a Qeen sacrifice, for one has eight more pawns to transform.

I was thinking more along the lines of a mother crow.

How does that tune go?

Blue Moon

OX OX OX OX

LOVE

G

May the Hand of the Goddess Always be with You.



Ron Adams - 03:31pm Jan 31, 1999 MST (#150 of 672)
"I'm the flame that burns in every heart of man, and in the core of every star. I am Life."

Blue Moon you make me croon. You make me swoon. You make me feel so blue.
Thanks Goddess of Light, you made me feel much better. Yes, sometimes a Queen can get captured by the Dark kNight. But a pawn can always sacrifice itself for the Queen, and revive the Maiden. Interesting that the Full Moon one sees the reviving of the Goddess 3 times, for according to Wicca, the 3 days of the full moon represent the three aspects of the Goddess, Maiden, Mother, and Crone.

Sometimes we have to use the silvery light to see beyond the obstacles. There is a Goddess.
Peace
Sunwolf



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