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of 672) Ref #149 Interesting that each player has a potential of 9 queens with the 1 queen 8 pawns. With 2 players that makes a grand total of 18 queens possible. 18 --- 81 are the numbers of "Isis" I saw over the weekend that they have detected that some peoples DNA is changing and that they opening more DNA Codons and interesting there are "64" codons like the number of squares on the Chess board. I wonder
what DNA codons: 9, 18, 27, 36, 45, 54, & 63 do? Jan Newton - 04:53am Feb 1, 1999 MST (#152 of 672) I finally
made the trip to the main library and picked up three volumes on chess
history; partially digested one and working on a second (I prefer to read
multiple books in pieces, not one straight through, and then the next
straight through, etc.). I've already learned some very interesting things
which when I finish I will digest and report here. Georgia, I have already
found a reference to Semiremis (Nimrod's queen) being the model for the
counsellor (later became the queen in the Indian game) in chess! Several
other scholars have poo-pooed this idea, but this is the second reference
now, from an independent source, to the ancient city-state of Babylon
that existed shortly after the Flood. I am very excited about this finding,
to say the least! Philip Mistlberger - 07:01am Feb 1, 1999 MST (#153 of 672) Mark, you have opened up an interesting mathematical conundrum, known in chess as a "problem". What is the maximum number of queens possible on the board at any one time? The answer is actually not 18. The answer is 14. The reason? Scotty's transporter machine does not work on a chess board. In order for a pawn to advance to the 8th rank and promote, it must, in theory, capture another pawn (in order to get past it). The minimum number of captures that must occur is four, in order for the remaining 12 pawns to reach the opponent's 1st rank and promote to queen. Thus, 12 + the original two queens leaves 14. As for what
14 represents, I'll leave that part up to you. Mark Borcherding - 10:31pm Feb 1, 1999 MST (#154 of 672) dare to dream upon your own star Ref #153 Philip neat observation and here is what I see with the 14: 18 + 14 = 32 = 1/2 the squares on the chess board (32+32=64). 18 + 14 + 41 + 81 = 154 (number of this post) 1+5+4 = 10 = Male/Female The 14th mayan glyph is White Wizard "Ix" and carries the power of timelessness. 14 + 4 = 18 (notice the 144) What is the 4? Staying with mayan solar glyphs the 4 is the Yellow Seed "Kan" and has the power of flowering. Now let us put the Wizard & Seed energies (powers) together and see what happens: "power of timelessness flowering". What was
the Knights of the Templar symbol? a certain flower Georgia Albert - 03:28am Feb 2, 1999 MST (#155 of 672) Ref.#153 Philip, You should play the children in your neighborhood. I bet you can get all your pawns to the eighth rank. LOVE G May the Hand
of the Goddess Always be with You. Jan Newton - 03:42am Feb 2, 1999 MST (#156 of 672) On a practical
level, how could one possibly keep track of so many queens? Do they wear
little tags or something??? At any rate, that's not a problem I'd ever
have to worry about. When I did play chess I usually got checkmated in
4 or 5 moves. Sigh. Philip Mistlberger - 06:15am Feb 2, 1999 MST (#157 of 672) Georgia, well put. That's precisely why I have doubts that chess is a game of the Goddess. Children are smarter than chess players. In the myth,
wasn't 14 also the number of pieces Osiris was cut into by Set? Than Isis
put Humpty back together again but couldn't find his wang. Pretty rich
symbolism. Ron Adams - 08:11am Feb 2, 1999 MST (#158 of 672) "I'm the flame that burns in every heart of man, and in the core of every star. I am Life." Ah but Philip,
post 157, do you know the story of what happened to O's Wang? It was swallowed
up by RA, Isis and Osiris father. Seems Set fed it to him.
Georgia Albert - 08:22am Feb 2, 1999 MST (#159 of 672) You bring a new meaning to Wang Chung the organ maker. he..he..he.. LOVE G May the Hand
of the Goddess Always be with You. Mark Borcherding - 11:07am Feb 2, 1999 MST (#160 of 672) dare to dream upon your own star P H A L L U S = 7+8+1+3+3+3+1 = 26 26 = 13 + 13 (13 moons 28 days in a year) 13 + 31 = 44 44 = 26 + 18 (18 = LOVE = 3+6+4+5) 26 is a fractal of 260 of the Mayan calendar and of 26,000 years of the procession of the equinoxe. C H E S S = 3+8+5+1+1 = 18 260 / 18 = 14.444444444..... 14 = Wizard , 4 = Seed (14+4 = 18) Look back
at post #154 Ron Adams - 09:01pm Feb 2, 1999 MST (#161 of 672) "I'm the flame that burns in every heart of man, and in the core of every star. I am Life." Philip, that
was funny. Is this what the Buddha meant about "The Sound of One Hand
Clapping."
Jan Newton - 01:18am Feb 3, 1999 MST (#162 of 672) 26 (phallus)
minus love (18) = 8. I found the 8. Again. Jan Newton - 02:38am Feb 3, 1999 MST (#163 of 672) Located a
Chinese/English dictionary that I figured out how to use (sort of). Under
the english word "goddess" I found a pinyin chinese character definition
of "chang" as "a moon goddess". This is interesting because another spelling
or pronunciation for Xi'an (the Chinese province where the largest pyramids
are located) is "Chang'an". Recall that the translation of chess from
chinese to english characters is "xiangqi", and Ron and I speculated on
a possible connection between the location of the chinese pyramids and
the game of chess. So, Xi'an = Chang'an = possibly, goddess, a possible
connection of the game, the goddess and pyramids... Also found at another
dictionary site that "xian" is the name of a person, from "xu xian", meaning
"madam white snake". I wonder if that was the formal name for the moon
goddess??? Finally, chess, or any game similar to chess or any piece used
in the game of chess is "k'i" "kei" or "qi", depending upon which set
of chinese characters are used. "Chang" + "qi" = "Xiangqi", again connection
between the goddess and chess. I may not be able to play the game but
I do know how to research!!! Jan Newton - 02:38am Feb 3, 1999 MST (#163 of 672) Located a
Chinese/English dictionary that I figured out how to use (sort of). Under
the english word "goddess" I found a pinyin chinese character definition
of "chang" as "a moon goddess". This is interesting because another spelling
or pronunciation for Xi'an (the Chinese province where the largest pyramids
are located) is "Chang'an". Recall that the translation of chess from
chinese to english characters is "xiangqi", and Ron and I speculated on
a possible connection between the location of the chinese pyramids and
the game of chess. So, Xi'an = Chang'an = possibly, goddess, a possible
connection of the game, the goddess and pyramids... Also found at another
dictionary site that "xian" is the name of a person, from "xu xian", meaning
"madam white snake". I wonder if that was the formal name for the moon
goddess??? Finally, chess, or any game similar to chess or any piece used
in the game of chess is "k'i" "kei" or "qi", depending upon which set
of chinese characters are used. "Chang" + "qi" = "Xiangqi", again connection
between the goddess and chess. I may not be able to play the game but
I do know how to research!!! Jan Newton - 05:08am Feb 3, 1999 MST (#164 of 672) Sorry about
the double post. I found a few further items. Under a search of "white",
I found the following: "k'i", "kei" and "qi" meaning "a white gem; piece
of jade; a jade like precious stone". Recall that these characters are
also used to define the game of chess or chess pieces. Under a search
of "xi", it came up with "clear; evident; clearly; distinct; fair; white
(said of one's skin)". Finally, under a search of "moon", "xian" came
up, meaning "first and last quarters of the moon". I think we have a decisive
link between chess and the chinese moon goddess: how about "precious game
of the moon goddess", or "precious game of the fair skinned goddess".
Mark Borcherding - 06:34am Feb 3, 1999 MST (#165 of 672) dare to dream upon your own star Ref 166 Jan - great job! Both with research and the number 8 connection. X I A N = 6 9 1 5 = 21 M O O N = 4 6 6 5 = 21 Recall Mayans and other indigeneous people had a calendar of 13 months (moons). And if we look at Jan's favorite number 8 look at what happens: (8 + 13) = 21 = Moon = Xian 8 in mayan glyphs is "Star" or "Lamat" and symbolizes planet Venus. 13 in mayan glyphs is "Skywalker" or "Ben" and symbolizes planet Mars. Interesting
we have Venus & Mars and these planets symbolize Female and Male.
And we have the planet Earth with its moon inbetween Venus and Mars. Philip Mistlberger - 06:50am Feb 3, 1999 MST (#166 of 672) Very interesting syncretism Jan, you guys may need to co-author a book of your own. Ron, regarding "bees": an interest of mine for a long time has been the history of the so-called Great White Brotherhood, or "spiritual heirarchy" (clumsy terms, but they needed a label). George Gurdjieff was probably the primary transmitter of their wisdom to Europe and North America early this century, and is most likely the chief source of the modern Human Potential Movement that has promoted personal and planetary healing, as well as the equalization of the genders in current times. Gurdjieff's main teachers were Sufi and Tibetan, and while in Afghanistan he made contact with the Sarmoun Brotherhood, a legendary mystery school believed by many to be the earthly ambassadors of the GWB. Guess what "Sarmoun" means in Arabic? Bee. These masters of wisdom were likened to bees moving around the planet, pollinating and cross-pollinating, dealing with the nectar of inner awakening. Now, in Sanskrit, nectar is "amrita", which also means "immortal". It refers to the full awakening that occurs when the female force ("Chandra", the White Moon) and the male force ("Surya", the Red Sun) join in union, in the crown chakra. This Tantric union results in "ashta-siddhi", the 8 powers of enlightenment. There's that number again. Amrita is usually described as a white/red nectar. The third pyramid at Giza (Menkaure's, the smaller one) was originally red on the lower half, white on the upper half. It is thought by some to be the pyramid of Horus, the Star Child, symbolizing the result of the union of male/female forces. Though I
have expressed my doubts, I will grant this: chess is a game of opposites
(white-black) played out on the battlefield of manifestation (the Shakti
principle). My difficulty lies in the aggressive, analytic, Aries/Virgo-ish
energy of the game, contrasted with the circular, harmonizing, unifying
force of the Goddess. How do we reconcile these? Do they in fact need
to be reconciled? Interesting philosophical questions. Georgia Albert - 12:08pm Feb 3, 1999 MST (#167 of 672) Jan, Wonderful!!! Interesting the connectiion between the Chinese pyramids and the Goddess, for I just read that there was a temple to Isis on the Giza platue. As for the bee, I have heard that scientists can't figure out what insect they decended from , I am not absolutly sure as to the accuracy of the information. Maybe someone has more information about bees. If you are having fun, you are doing it right. LOVE G May the Hand
of the Goddess Always be with You. Georgia Albert - 02:28pm Feb 3, 1999 MST (#168 of 672) Ref.# 164 Remember Tiananmen Square, over a million Chinese people set up, in the heart of the ancient nation, a 30ft. plaster-covered statue they called the "Goddess of Democracy". Hmmmmmmmmm LOVE G May the Hand
of the Goddess Always be with You. Mark Borcherding - 12:39am Feb 4, 1999 MST (#169 of 672) dare to dream upon your own star Here are some words and their numeric sum from the last few posts look at the relationships thru word converted to number. Giza = 25 crown chakra = 25 amrita = 26 Chandra = 31 (13 in reverse) female = 24 Surya = 21 male = 13 (reverse of chandra) phallus = 26 Pyramid = 41 (4 base , 1 top) "Goddess of Democracy" = 82 (28 days of cycle) "May the Hand of the Goddess Always be with You" = 165 Georgia 165
is an interesting number to me because Dreamstar which I recorded that
is a harmonic overtoning of the current mayan calendar. The current mayan
calendar has 13 tones and 20 glyphs thus 13x20 = 260 kin and Dreamstar
has 17 tones and 25 glyphs thus 17x25 = 425 kin. (260 + 165 = 425) so
the 165 number is the "bridge" between worlds. Interesting that your tag
phrase is that bridge in number. Jan Newton - 01:28am Feb 4, 1999 MST (#170 of 672) Hi Phil.
Re post 166, originally the colors on the chess board weren't black and
white; some cultures used red and green, some didn't use different colored
boards at all, only the pieces had different colored jewels in them so
you could tell what side they were on. In the histories I've been reading
chess has repeatedly been called "the game of intense relationships".
There have been several paintings and drawings done, going back to the
midieval times, of men and women playing chess, and the few that I've
seen are very interesting - romantic and intense at the same time. Perhaps
chess wasn't always a "game of war" as the chess historians (all men,
by the way), have chosen to call it. Perhaps it was a game of romantic
chase, the eternal challenge between the sexes. I don't know that there
is any way of reconciling so many apparently inherent contradictions,
but can you have one without the other? I feel, no. Jan Newton - 07:07am Feb 4, 1999 MST (#171 of 672) P.S. The
bee was Napoleon's symbol. I seem to recall reading that the honey bee
is still the same now as it was multi-millions of years ago. If that is
true, then whether you believe in evolution or you believe in creation,
or you believe in some mix thereof, the bee has apparently always been
the same right from the beginning. I will check into that further. Philip Mistlberger - 11:33am Feb 4, 1999 MST (#172 of 672) The comment, Jan, about "intense relationships" is interesting. It reminds of a chess book I read many years ago, called "The Dance of Death" by Alexander Cockburn. He argued that chess was purely Oedipal in nature, with the player contracting with "Mother" (the Queen) to kill "Father" (the King). Perhaps the most depressing interpretation I've come across. Some of the tales of the old Grandmasters are very strange. Wilhelm Steinitz, one of the 19th century's strongest players, cracked toward the end of his life and challenged "God" to a match. He was so convinced that he'd win that he offered God a pawn handicap. He also believed that he could move the pieces around solely with an electric charge coming from his brain. Sounds to
me like he needed a serious dose of Goddess energy... Georgia Albert - 04:54pm Feb 4, 1999 MST (#173 of 672) Ref: #54 & #60 I was thinking the Royal Game of Sumer used tetrahedral dice. What if they used octohedral dice with the Chess board. There are 64 combinations on a set of octohedral dice. Diamond crystals can be concidered white and the spinel is red, they are both octohedral in their crystaline form. Could they have used these gems as game pieces. Manna for thought. LOVE G May the Hand
of the Goddess Always be with You. Ron Adams - 10:24pm Feb 4, 1999 MST (#174 of 672) "I'm the flame that burns in every heart of man, and in the core of every star. I am Life." I like your definition Jan "Intense Relationships" and I think that you are coming up with clues here with the Chinese Alchemy. Perhaps Chess is a veiled symbol of ancient Alchemy. This could very well be, since 1479 the Spanish Inquisition started, and it wasn't until 1582 that Pope Gregory 13th started his Calendar reforms. That is 103 years of intense persecution of Women, for crimes of witchcraft. Intolerance was high then. The Jesuits and Rosecrusians use to travel over the countryside preaching, yet also did Tarot readings on the side. The Gnostic Christians have some interesting ideas about God, Light, Source, and the Serpent of the Garden of Eden. Somehow I think that the Sarmoun Brotherhood is related to the Shaitan Snake cult of Sumeria. Madam White Snake, in Chinese, is definitely a reference of kundalini.
Mark Borcherding - 11:14pm Feb 4, 1999 MST (#175 of 672) dare to dream upon your own star Ref 174, Ron that is cool "Chang + Moon Goddess + Xian" = "May the Hand of the Goddess Always be with You" = 165 Ron you hit the main point "coming together" creating a beautiful energy field where each contribution is held on the same pedestal. No matter what sex, race, species, etc... one may contribute from (form). It is a great Joy that so many came with great contributions even when they were rejected and persecuted. Their spirit still came to Earth to pave the way for the great "Rainbows of Light" to pulse across the galaxy. Each one of you on this discussion is part of that ... each one has shared so much in this Chess discussion and have been open and respected all contributions. This says alot about your intent. Bless All of You. Notice how this thread has evolved and what is has created. Thanks to Georgia for planting the seed. May your
Goddess Heart shine with the Peace and Harmony of All Creation Jan Newton - 12:57am Feb 5, 1999 MST (#176 of 672) We are, indeed,
weaving a very interesting tapestry. We're getting close, very close,
to - I don't know exactly what - but I can feel it very strongly. Ron,
you and I seem to be on the same wavelength. Just last evening I was checking
some references on the chinese moon goddess and I ran across "Shaitan",
who is very old, as old as time; in one of his incarnations, he is Satan,
and today's Moslems still call Satan the Devil "Shaitan"; in another incarnation
he is traced all the way back to Nimrod; as you know, I have a fascination
with that first kingdom builder and his queen. Upon their deaths they
were deified by their subjects and are the protoypes for all subsequent
gods/goddesses/deified humans. Semiramis introduced the Babylonian mysteries
upon Nimrod's death, and claimed that her son (Ninus) was, in fact, Nimrod
reincarnated. The second trinity Nimrod/Semiramis/Ninus (who became Tammuz
upon his death) (the first was Adam/Eve/Satan)! She also claimed that
Ninus was the "Seed", harking back to the first biblical prophecy in Genesis
3:15 "I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your seed
and her seed; and he will crush you in the head and you will bruise him
in the heel", thus claiming divinity for her son, as her reincarnated
husband! Some research on bees: the honey bee was the symbol of Lower
Egypt. That may be why Napoleon chose the bee as one of his symbols; he
had a deep reverence for ancient Egypt. The honey bee was a sacred symbol
of Artemis (though I wasn't able to trace down why), and was an important
design on Ephesian coins for almost 6 centuries. After his death in 323BCE,
Alexander the Great was embalmed in a coffin filled with honey (I don't
know what to make of that!). Artemis, twin of Apollo and the daughter
of Zeus and Leto, she was a goddess of childbirth, nature, and the hunt,
she carried a bow and arrows, which she used to aveng misdeeds. She also
became a moon goddess and took on the characteristics of Selene and Hecate.
Also, in her later versions, she became the goddess of virginity. Other
references: bees were the tears of Ra, the Egyptian sun god; in India,
Krishna, as an avatar of Vishnu, has a blue bee in the middle of his forehead.
Soma, the moon, is called a bee. Siva is represented as a tringle surmounted
by a bee. Kama, god of love, has a bow-string of bees. The Greek Great
Mother was known as the Queen Bee and her priestesses were called Melissae,
the Bees. Bees were the emblem of Eros/Cupid, Demeter, Cybele, Diana,
Rhea, and Artemis. Side note: Rhea (called the Mother of the gods and
also the Gazing Mother) is the Sumerian incaranation of Semiramis! Do
you see all of the connections, the links in the chain all strung together
going back over and through time? I'm having way too much fun with this...
Jan Newton - 01:11am Feb 5, 1999 MST (#177 of 672) P.S. Phil,
re post 172, chess could probably be a very dark dark game, depending
upon the energies that the players bring to the table. It could also probably
literally glow with white light. It would be interesting to make a study
of the chess masters, to see how they described their feelings during
different games, etc., to see if there's a connecting thread. A thought
just occurred, what if the energy that resonates from the pyramids is
the same type of energy generated by the players in a chess game? That
might explain why some players go off the deep end, I'm guessing here
but most of the masters from the past have played against other masters
of the same sex, right? - so the balance is lost... That also might explain
why the Arabic Empire was so successful, because they had men and women
players of equal skill playing chess together all the time, and it was
only when the Moslems starting putting more restrictions on women that
the empire went into decline... I feel a novel coming on... Mark Borcherding - 01:56am Feb 5, 1999 MST (#178 of 672) dare to dream upon your own star There is a new Chess game that has "4" players not sure how many squares on the board. But the number of pieces is 4 x 16 = 64. I have not read the rules to determine how it is played. Jan you could write a great novel ...hmmmmm... I feel a title in my head "Chess: The Castle of the Goddess" But its your
novel so you pick the name you want :) Georgia Albert - 07:06am Feb 5, 1999 MST (#179 of 672) Jan, That was interesting about Napolion being placed in a coffin of honey, honey is a natural preservative. Was this a form of mummification? What do honey bee's do with the body of a dead Queen? MIV ?? LOVE G May the Hand
of the Goddess Always be with You. Ron Adams - 11:30am Feb 5, 1999 MST (#180 of 672) "I'm the flame that burns in every heart of man, and in the core of every star. I am Life." Philip, post
180, you hit upon a very interesting topic. For so long there were only
4 of us, Georgia, Jan, Mark and Ron. NOw you have arrived, as I suspect
that Ilumani may appear and give us this Male/Female balance again.
Vickie Ramirez - 12:51pm Feb 5, 1999 MST (#181 of 672) O Music! In your depths we deposit our hearts and souls. Thou hast taught us to see with our ears, and hear with our hearts. Hi Ron, Georgia,
Mark and the rest of the group. I have been lurking for quite a while
and enjoying all of your postings. It is interesting to me how it seems
so many hidden truths surround us in so many things, yet we don't pay
attention. I resonate with the information that you are sharing here.
So as Ron suggested that adding another feminine energy to the group may
add balance, I offer my energy to you here. Georgia Albert - 04:19pm Feb 5, 1999 MST (#182 of 672) Welcome Vickie, I am very happy you are here. Philip, The boys in Egypy are trying to hide something very important. I wonder what that might be? Prrrrrrrrrrrrr Ron, I started this Thread because I felt it was the right thing to do. I agree with Jan that this Thread has become a beautiful weaving. LOVE G May the Hand
of the Goddess Always be with You.. Philip Mistlberger - 06:17pm Feb 5, 1999 MST (#183 of 672) Welcome Vickie, to the Art Bell historical chess club. Maybe we could play an online game, the guys against the girls, in the spirit of Jan's observations. Losers pay the winners' February phone bill. :-) Mark and Ron, I erred in identifying "Sarmoun" as Arabic for "bee". It is actually Persian for "bee". The more accurate spelling is SARMOUNG, and according to the Merkhavat (note the similarity with the Hebrew "Merkabah", meaning "chariot" or "vehicle" that transports us interdimensionally, symbolic for stages of growth) book, from the old Armenian texts, this mystery school derived from Babylon circa 2500 BC. That may seem a non-sequitur on this discussion site, but there is a connection. The Sarmoung mystery school dealt with sacred dances, most of which were performed by women, cloaked in later centuries in the dervish attire of the Islamic (Sufi, especially) influence. These dances are still performed, and were adopted by one ashram in particular in West-central India that I had the good fortune to visit twice, in 85' and 91'. The dances are still performed primarily by women. I mention the Indian connection because the more I look at it, the more the association of this culture with chess intrigues me, if only because of the idiosyncratic way the powers are distributed in chess (King all important but impotent, Queen extremely powerful but dispensable). This is precisely the way the gender powers are mythologized in India (and why the Sarmoung sacred dances would have found a home in India), played out in the Shiva-Shakti dance. The Hindu culture, along with the Hebrew, are, I suspect, the primary root cultures on earth, with the Hebrew the male (along with its offshoots of Christianity and Islam) and the Hindu the female (with its chief descendent Buddhism, and the Bengali Tantric schools). (Taoism seems to have evolved independently, roughly contemporary to Buddhism). What is interesting here is the role of the Goddess in the Hindu pantheon and its offshoots. She comes in many forms originally -- Shakti, Kali (and her fierce face Durga) Parvati, Lakshmi, Nataraj, etc. In Tibet, she shows up as 21 forms of Tara (green, red, white, etc.), consort of Avalokiteshvara (known as Chenrezig to the Tibetans), whose earthly manifestation is the Dalai Lama. When Avalokiteshvara's mythic energy spread to China he became female and was known as Kuan Yin, the goddess of Compassion. In Tibet, one of the forms of Shakti was Palden Lhamo, the fierce protectress of the Dalai Lama. What all these emanations of the Goddess have in common is the ability to change form, and play many different roles. This is interesting because in chess a pawn has the ability to change form ("promote") into four other roles, but almost always this role is the Queen. Thus, the Queen contains within her all powers of the other pieces, except the King's central importance and the Knight's ability to jump over. This fits neatly with, for example, Palden Lhamo's powerful gaurdianship over the Dalai Lama, in serving his central importance (as the unifying force in the land, much like how the priestesses of Avalon served Arthur, the unifying force of the land). The Knight is a puzzle. I link him with the monkey god Hanuman, the Hindu equivalent of the Greek Hermes and the Egyptian Thoth. In the myth, if I remember right, it was Thoth who helped Isis in putting Osiris back together again, because Thoth had a particular power (knowledge) that Isis didn't (much like the Knight has a power that the Queen doesn't). In numbers, Mark and Ron, I note this: 8 pawns = 8 units (in chess values), 2 knights = 6 units, 2 bishops = 7 units, 1 queen = 9 units, Total = 30 units The knight
has one-third the power of the queen. The King's Chamber is one-third
of the height up the Great Pyramid. As a chamber it contains a special
power (concentrated in the sarcophagus) that the Pyramid supports but
does not itself possess -- or, put another way, the pyramid contains this
particular power while expressing something much greater itself. So also
with the relationship between the knight and the queen, and Thoth and
the Goddess. Ron Adams - 07:44pm Feb 5, 1999 MST (#184 of 672) "I'm the flame that burns in every heart of man, and in the core of every star. I am Life." Philip that
was a smooth move, #180, I thought in chess you couldn't take you move
back. Ilumani, nice to see you here. It is ok to jump off the cliff, isn't
it?! Georgia, you felt it was the right thing to do, that is rare and
I think set up a good energy field of honesty here. Mark, on the pyramid
thread, I think the measurements you posted are very interesting. Anyone
played with the numbers. There is some very amazing connections. Philip
you do know lots about the Goddess, and her history, as well as about
Egyptian Mythology. Ok, Ilumani, what is your next move going to be.
Georgia Albert - 11:02am Feb 6, 1999 MST (#185 of 672) Ref.# 183 Philip, Interesting that the women do the dancing. In a bee hive bees preform dances to share information. LOVE G May the hand
of the Goddess Always be with You. Vickie Ramirez - 11:43am Feb 6, 1999 MST (#186 of 672) O Music! In your depths we deposit our hearts and souls. Thou hast taught us to see with our ears, and hear with our hearts. Hummm, Napolean
embalmed in a casket of honey... Is they how it got the name Royal Jelly?
hehe. I see a harmonic flow of words similar to the harmonics that Mark
finds in the numbers. We are discovering what the boys are hiding in both
the chess game and the pyramids. It is interesting how the information
hidden in the chess board seems to mirror the information hidden in the
pyramids. Philip Mistlberger - 05:24pm Feb 6, 1999 MST (#188 of 672) Ron, it wasn't I who made post 180 disappear. I think it was that spell I was talking about... :-) Georgia, very, very interesting connection with the musical scale. I've turned it over in my mind and this is what I get. The scale of octaves represents an increase in vibrations, moving up the scale from do to do. If we were to interface this with a chess board it would seem more appropriate to project the musical scale from the 1st rank to the 8th rank, rather than from the queen's rook (left to right, in the case of the white pieces) to the king's rook, as I can't see any proper way to correlate the progression of the particular octaves to the chess pieces. However, when we project the notes the other way, from 1st rank to 8th rank (our opponent's 1st rank), an interesting thing can be noted. The musical scale is effected by the Law of Seven (discontinuity), as pointed out by the Sarmoung school initiate Gurdjieff. Do, re, and mi are equal intervals from each other, but mi and fa are half interval only. Sol, la, and ti and separated by full intervals, but si and do have a half-interval only. The retardations of continuity between mi and fa, and si and do, are highly significant and are the keys to the meaning of the Law of Seven. What it means is that there are no straight lines in nature (consistent with Einstein's space curvature), and anything we start always ends up changing course eventually (relationships change, careers change, plans get altered) unless we apply a "conscious shock", to correct our course deviation. This "shock" represents spiritual work. Numerically, the discontinuities occur between points 3-4, and 7-8. Projected onto the chess board that falls between the 3rd and 4th rank, and the 7th and 8th rank. The 3rd to 4th rank is where we first engage the opponent. The 7th to 8th rank is the zone where the vast majority of checkmates occur. Thus, they are the two most significant junctures on the board, where we make "contact" with the "energy-field" of the enemy king. In both places, our resources as a player are severely tested. Most games are won or lost by how we handle the middle-game, which is engaged at the 3-4 rank interval, and most games are finished by the checkmate or promotion of a pawn that occurs at the 7-8 rank interval. In order to successfully negotiate these junctures, we must be particularly awake, the focused equivalent of a conscious "shock". Some of you may be familiar with the "Enneagram", the nine pointed sacred symbol that has come into vogue with the pop-psychologists in the past decade. It comes from the Sarmoung mystery school. Finally,
around the pyramid-chess connection, having both lay in the sarcophagus
of the King's Chamber and played hundreds of tournament chess games, I
can vouch for a similar highly focussed vibe with both, at first appearance
a very male analytic energy, but upon deeper penetration enters into the
female intuitive realm. (The most powerful chess program, Deep Blue, can
only beat a grandmaster by brute force calculation, whereas a human immediately
discounts, intuitively, many unnecessary variations. Thus, programs are
still essentially unintelligent tactical brutes, unable to grasp strategy
which requires intuition). Ron Adams - 08:02pm Feb 6, 1999 MST (#189 of 672) "I'm the flame that burns in every heart of man, and in the core of every star. I am Life." Hum, Philip,
remember that T.V. show called The Prisoner? Are we the pawns? Nah. The
Goddess loves us. Art is an Arcturan. "http://www.btinternet.com/~rainbownation/planetar.html"
Mark Borcherding - 12:17am Feb 7, 1999 MST (#190 of 672) dare to dream upon your own star Doe, Ray, Me, Fa, So, La, Tea, Doe = 82 Notice this is 28 in reverse and we have the 28 day cycle showing up again. Now lets multiply it by Jan's favorite number "8" symbolizing the 8 rows/columns of the chessboard: 8 x 82 = 656 656 = 6+5+6 = 17 G O D = 7+6+4 = 17 Now if we make the game "1 Song" then we add 1 + 17 = 18 L O V E = 3+6+4+5 = 18 Now we see also that 656 + 1 0 = 666 one of the "scary" number in the Bible. Notice it is the "0" energy that moves the 1 into the tens place to bring us Love. 6+6+6 = 18
Ron Adams - 08:46pm Feb 7, 1999 MST (#191 of 672) "I'm the flame that burns in every heart of man, and in the core of every star. I am Life." Mark, nice
juggling of those numbers. Not to step on toes, but the game of chess,
what is has become fits military strategy, a game with a beginning and
an end, one side wins and one side loses, not everyone can win, you have
limited resources and pieces, etc. I think that this is what it has become
during the Male Dominated Patriarchy times. Take for instance the Big
Bang Theory, that the Universe began in a moment of intense heat and light.
Before 1947 this theory was not even accepted. It was a good P.R. job
by the Manhattan Project Scientists and M.I.V. It fit nicely in the politically
correct fable of the Beginning of the World in the Bible. It fits neat
with a conservative male view that through intelligence, revelation one
can know and find the answers to the universe.
Philip Mistlberger - 09:58pm Feb 7, 1999 MST (#192 of 673) Okay people, we may have a direct link. In fact, this is so clear that I'm curious as to whether I'm repeating something that somebody found already (though I can't find it in this Thread). A key to this puzzle is CELTIC, in particular, Wales. The number one Welsh contribution to European literature is the "Mabinogion", a collection of 13th century tales originally transmitted by a group of bards. It was then written down by a number of authors during the 1200's. The most recent translation we have is Charlotte Guest's 19th century version. One of the 13 tales is called Peredur the Son of Efrawc. Peredur is Perceval, the only Grail Knight who possesses the purity and innocence to see the Grail. He is closely connected to the Fool of the Tarot. Near the end of the tale of Peredur in the Mabinogion, during his travels he wanders into a castle where a chess game is being played. There are no "players", and the pieces are moving by themselves. Peredur "sides" with one of the chess armies, and his side loses. He gets a little petulant and throws the board out the window. Suddenly, the "black maiden" appears and scolds him for what he has done. She says he must retreave the chessboard, which is the game of the Empress (Goddess). There you have it. (If curious, punch "Mabinogion" into your search engine and look up Peredur the Son of Efrawc. It's long, but if you scroll down about 85% you'll find it). Caitlin and John Matthews have also written about this in their Arthurian Tarot deck. In fact, they say outright that chess is the game of the "Goddess of Sovereighty". They equate the Welsh word for chess (gwydbwyll) with the suit of Earth (Goddess), which Crowley called disks. There we are. I had all this stuff in my library right under my nose and am surprised I overlooked it. Anyway, to follow this promising lead, we now need to research the history of the Celts. They have been practically everywhere. Interestingly, one of Art's favourite "bumper" musicians is Loreena McKennit, whose music (several CD's) is completely about the history of the Celts. There's another piece I overlooked. The 8 X 8 geometry of the chessboard is the exact foundation geometry of the Shiva temple in Hinduism. I'll look at this somemore. Georgia, pretty good intuition. Ron, your post 191 is passionately and concisely expressed. Western intellectuality without intuition is a child of Aristoteleitis, the mental affliction that gives us the tendency to see things as either/or, with no shades between. This thinking gave us science (which is enabling us to have this cyber-connection and its fruits), but of itself is certainly not enough. Personally,
I like Ken Wilber's view, that matriarchy/patriarchy is all part of a
developmental process, necessary stages in growth. The evolved human embraces
both female and male aspects. I'm a very intuitive Pisces who enjoys rigorous
thinking as well. Mark Borcherding - 11:30pm Feb 7, 1999 MST (#193 of 673) dare to dream upon your own star Ref 192
The Knights Templar symbol was "Lily of the Valley" = 72 in number and 7+2=9 again. They also used the chessboard pattern on the floors of their churches. The 9th glyph in the Mayan calendar is "Moon" or "Muluc" and has the power of purification. Purification = Purity = Purity of Goddess Chess teaches balance: 1. Balance of offense and defense 2. Balance of intuition and logic 3. Balance of male and female 4. Balance of light and dark 5. Balance of play and thought "The Hands
of the Goddess and God are Unifying to Give Us a Universal Hug" = 656
Philip Mistlberger - 05:13am Feb 8, 1999 MST (#194 of 673) Mark, what does your number magic say about the following, Peredur, Perceval, Grail, GWYDDBWYLL (correct spelling), black maiden, Empress. In terms of the Mabinogion connection, which pretty much confirms the chess-Goddess tradition link, the above terms are obviously important. I've long been interested in Perceval in the context of the Grail search, and feel he is a key to many things. The symbolism re the relationship between the Empress-Goddess, black maiden, chess, and Peredur is striking and relatively straightforward. A key to Celtic history is Druidry. I'm going to look that way. Jan, it'll be interesting to see if this Celtic link can in turn be bridged to the Chinese links you've uncovered. One other thing: The Druids are linked to Stonehenge, which has direct mathematical commonalities with the Great Pyramid. More later when I have time. Getting interesting.
Mark Borcherding - 09:37am Feb 8, 1999 MST (#195 of 673) dare to dream upon your own star Ref 194 Philip here is what I came up with:
Notice "Holy Grail" creates Jan's number "8" the chess board 8x8 squares. Grail also refers to bloodline and perhaps refers to DNA that has 8x8=64 codons. Perceval = 37 = Black Madonna , most of the paintings in the Templar churches have a "Black Madonna". Notice "Celtic" reflects itself with 25 mirror of 52. Empress = 32 = 32 white squares or 32 black squares. 1/2 of the DNA Codon. Perhaps each person carries both Male and Female DNA and can activate it in unity :) Thus ALL
of us are the Holy Grail. Philip Mistlberger - 12:15pm Feb 8, 1999 MST (#196 of 673) Thanks Mark, maybe we should rent a mainframe before 2000 to get this solved... The plot thickens... In Egyptian mythology, the floor of the Great Hall of Judgment is a pattern of BLACK AND WHITE SQUARES. In order for the soul to progress on its journey into the afterlife, there must be an equal number of either coloured squares. More of black, or more of white, symbolizes that there is an imbalance in the soul that has to be corrected. Concerning the "Gwyddbwyll" game. In the Mabinogion the word is translated by Guest as "chess". Other sources say it is a board game that derives from an older Irish board game that is almost identical to chess but slightly different. John and Caitlan Matthews, well known Celtic scholars, describe it as synonomous with chess. In some versions the squares are not black and white, but red and white. Red and white is a pairing that shows up throughout the Hermetic and alchemical texts. The Menkaure pyramid of Giza (linked with Horus by some) was originally red and white. Queen Elizabeth I's astrologer, John Dee, found red and white alchemical powders in the Abbey Grounds of the Isle of Avalon. The Sanskrit nectar "Amrita" is a red/white elixer that streams out from the "moon" center in the head. And so the pieces seem to be coming together (pun intended). The original game appears to have been an alchemical code or cipher of some sort, containing keys for initiation and consciousness growth. Very similar to Tarot, with the modern version being a poor, trivial derivative. I suspect that the origins are Nile valley and/or Mesopotamian (as with most eveything, and before that probably something antidiluvian, like Atlantis). With the decline of those cultures it probably spread East through Persia, the Indus valley and India, Silk Road, and China. It also went northwest through Asia Minor and Europe, carried by Celtic tribes and hidden in the legends (such as the Mabinogion). Those are very preliminary speculations, of course. There is so much more here, such as the mathematics of Stonehenge and the Great Pyramid, the geometry of the Shiva temples, and the historical interfacing of the Goddess traditions and Druidism. There is also a stack of info around Sacred Geometry vis a vis the Avalon myths, Freemasonry, and their Egyptian roots. Bridge anyone?
:-) Georgia Albert - 12:58pm Feb 8, 1999 MST (#197 of 673) Bravo! Philip, What is the name of the Egyptian, head of antiquities. I feel, all of us would like to have a LITTLE talk with him. LOVE G May the Hand
of the Goddess Always be with You. Philip Mistlberger - 07:18pm Feb 8, 1999 MST (#198 of 673) A door is definitely being opened, Georgia. Let's see what may be behind it... If chess is a cipher, what is the hidden code? Mark, post 193, excellent. Let me expand on that. Yes, the Knight's Templar did indeed have checkered floor patterns. Where did this design come from? Most probably the Freemasons. The geometric floor pattern is an important part of Masonic initiation. This, in turn, can be traced back to Pythagoras, the Greek mathematician/mystic who actually invented the term "geometry". And where was Pythagoras himself initiated? Egypt. He spent over twenty years there. The chessboard is pure geometry. The checkered floor of the Egyptian Hall of Judgment is overseen by Maat, the most ancient and powerful form of the Goddess in Egypt, even older than Isis or Hathor. The following is from Naomi Ozaniec: "I am Maat, Lady of the Judgment Hall. I am she who is straight, the straight rule, the rule of Law. I am the upholder of Divine Law which is perfect truth and absolute wisdom. I hold the ankh and wear the White Feather of Truth." And from Isha Schwaller de Lubicz: "I am accorded a special place. All female goddesses are aspects of the Great Mother but I, Maat, am at the same time their source and fulfillment. I am the Presence of beginning and end, in all times, in all worlds." And again from Ozaniec, "I, Maat, am partner to Thoth. Together we stand in the boat of Ra when it rose. Together we stand close to the ROYAL HOUSE. The pharoah offers to me continually so that he shall not forget that he is the upholder of that which is STRAIGHT upon the Earth." Royal House. Holy Grail in Latin: Sang Real, "Royal Blood". Chess: Royal Game. Holy Grail (the Heart)=8, +1 (the Board, i.e. the Body, or Land) = 9 = chess. The game was intended as a cipher to teach us to join the Heart with the Body, Spirit with Matter, Intuition with Intellect, Male and Female. Correct, Mark. Two more things should be known. There was one pharoah who supported Maat more than any other pharoah: Akhenaten, and his queen Nefirtiti. In western Thebes can be seen a carving that depicts a scene with Akhenaten and Maat side by side, with the wording "I Akhenaten live by Maat". Which literally means "I, Akhenaten, live by the Truth of the Goddess," as Maat means "justice and truth." What happened to Akhenaten? He and his queen were killed by the old school priesthood, and their temples smashed. The battered ruins remain today at Tel-el-Amarna on the banks of the Nile. The priesthood did not like that Akhenaten was teaching harmony and unification of the separate gods. They installed the puppet boy-pharoah Tutankhamen as his replacement. And finally: a deeper translation of "Maat", according to researchers, is "Balance of Nature". In the words of Alan Richardson, "Maat is the food chain, the rain forest, the ozone layer; she is the magical currents within the psyche and hormones in the blood. She is the most delicate, and most powerful of deities." And so, the cipher is opening. Maat is critical for the 20-21st century transition. Georgia,
look who you invoked... Mark Borcherding - 11:05pm Feb 8, 1999 MST (#199 of 673) dare to dream upon your own star ref 198 "A Balance of Nature" = 58 (9 numerology) and kin 58 in the Mayan calendar is 6 Etznab also called White Rhythmic Mirror and that day mayan Pacal Votan died. Notice 5+8=13 We see the 5 and the 8 forming our 13 moons (months) cycle of the Goddess. 13 is also symbolic of the Mayan glyph "Ben" also called Skywalker and it was in the Skywalker 13 tone (day) period that Pacal Votan was born and died 52 years later. "A Balance of Nature" = 105 (in Ron's 388 numerology) and this number 105 is very important in Mayan cycles. When you subtract the 260 kin of the sacred mayan Tzolkin calendar from 365 days of the Gregorian calendar you get: 365 - 260 = 105. Interesting Pacal also came up in a pyramid post I made just minutes ago ... here it is: "Temple of the Turtles" = 78 When converted to number and summed these words equal 78 and this happens to also be the sum of the Tones of the 13 Clear Signs on the tomb of Mayan Pacal Votan at Palenque. The Temple of Inscriptions of the Cross. "The Temple of Inscriptions of the Cross" = 418 in number. 418 is the number Aliester Crowley who wrote The Book of the Law stated was the "House of God". In Mayan glyphs 418 is Seed Dragon Star or in mayan terms Kan Imix Lamat and it means "Seed of the Dragon Star" When theses words "Seed of the Dragon Star" are summed it equals 87 mirroring the 78 of "Temple of the Turtles" above.
Jan Newton - 03:49am Feb 9, 1999 MST (#200 of 673) Hi all. What a lot of posts since I was here last. One of my posts from Friday 2/5 was deleted. I can't figure out why. It didn't seem that bad to me. Oh well. More synchronicity at work here. Over the weekend I started reading Katherine Neville's latest, The Magic Circle, and its just loaded with tons of references to the very matters that have been mentioned in the last 30 or so posts. She also wrote about BEES, and she explained (thank you very much, wonderful authoress) that the bee was Artemis's symbol because bees were associated with prophetesses and also identified with virgins because it was believed bees created themselves through parthenogenesis. She also noted that Deborah, one of the few women mentioned in a leading role in the Old Testament, was a prophetess, and her name in Hebrew means "bee". At present the scene of the story is moving into central Asia and ancient Sanskrit manuscripts are playing a large role in the story, also the Celts, aka Keltoi, whom several believe originated from the central Asian steppes and spread outward north and east. Celtic runes also figure prominently in the story. I also think that chess originated in Mesopotamia and spread to Persia, central Asia to Russia, to India and through those mountain passes from India into China and across the Russian plains into northern China and Mongolia. By the way, the fourth person who shared in Alexander's empire when he died was Ptolemy, who founded the last of the Egyptian dynasties. In my post that we deleted I reiterated that it was Alexander the Great who was buried in a coffin filled with honey, not Napoleon. Anyone ever read about "feeling-tones"; I recall reading about them in a novel by Jane Roberts years ago. If I recall correctly, the premise is that each of our emotions has a certain "tone" and the range of emotions can be symbolized in a song, music; of course, music and mathematics are closely connected - remember the "song" from "Close Encounters of the Third Kind"? Thus, at least theoretically, every chess game should be susceptible to being written into music, if we could only figure out how to measure the feeling-tones. I think this might be tied in, too, with the energy from the Great Pyramid. So, are we going to embark on a search for the Holy Grail.
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