Jan Newton - 03:50am Feb 9, 1999 MST (#201 of 673)

P. S. Ron, post 180, are people really talking about our posts on the radio???

P.P.S. In The Magic Circle, Neville was talking about a magical dance and alluded to the fact that the Massacre at Wounded Knee was due to the fact that the Native Americans refused to stop performing a certain dance that was supposed to usher in the "New Age"; the powers that be, thinking the Natives were doing war dances and getting ready for a major war, decided to kill everyone involved. If this is, in fact, true, I feel profoundly ignorant. Of course I had heard about the Massacre, but didn't know (and never investigated) the reasons why. I wonder if these dances might be related?

I remember watching a program on PBS or the Discovery channel, and they stated that there were originally 10 Zodiac signs, 2 were added, one was Libra but, I can't remember what the other was. Does anyone out there know which sign was added?

LOVE

G

May the Hand of the Goddess Always be with You.

In ancient Egypt, the new year began in August wth the return of Sirius, the Dog Star, brightest of all the stars.

Priests or Priestesses, who were the calendar keepers, sighted the first rising of Sirius from their temples. In one temple, at the end of an aisle lined by tall columns, was the statue of a goddess(which Goddess?).A big jewel hung from her forehead. The statue was placed so that light from the returning Dog Star would fall upon the gem an make it gleam.

Could this temple be the Temple of Isis which was located on the Giza plateau?

LOVE

G

May the Hand of the Goddess Always be with You.

I don't know, Georgia, it sounds more like Akenaten's city to me, with the rows of columns leading to a temple. Did you get this from a particular source?

Ref. 205

Jan,

The information about sirius was located in a 1955 Astronomy book by Golden Press.

Also of interest, the 1990 edition of Skyguide by Golden Press, states that the age of Aquarius won't arrive for another six hundred years. It also states that our accepted zodiac does not match up with the alignment of the corrisponding constellations. According to Skyguide, the sun is in Pisces from March 13 to April 19, and Aquarius is February 17 to March 13. Hmmmmm.

LOVE

G

May the Hand of the Goddess Always be with You.

Hi Isis: You may be right. Jerry Fawell just made a claim that one of the Tella Tubies is Gay I think his name is Tinky Winkie, because he speaks softly and is purple, the Gay Pride color. The British producers of this popular kids show says Fawell's accusations are ludicrous.

One of the insights I had recently about the Gnostic Books that weren't cannonized was that most of them have the words Revelations and Apocalypse in their titles. I did a Bible Code search for the word "Revelation" in the Greek New Testament, and it only apppears once, Revelations Chapter 1, verse 1. It is in the Title and table of contents of course. We the Gregorian MIV so afraid of the common people having revelations, that they banned all the other ones and put this sanctioned one in by John? I find this very interesting.

Also I did a Bible code search for "Chess" and found 105 matches.

I also thought how Jupiter and Venus are about to conjunct Feb. 24th. The Queen is about to checkmate the King. Think about it, the chessboard and game are an interpretation of the movements of the planets. When Ceres existed in what is now the Asteroid belt, the ancients would have visually seen 8 planets. 8 pieces. Interesting huh?

And now for my next trick, Watsons. I will make a Goddess appear right before your eyes.

Here in the United States her name is Liberty, in France her name is Goddess Liberty. There is a statue of her in N.Y. harbor drapped in copper(Venus's metal).

The MIV have been attacking Liberty throughout history. Let us all keep Liberty safe this time.

LOVE

G

May the Hand of the Goddess Always be with You.

The word "checkmate" derives from the Persian "shah mat", the "the king is dead".

"Mat" means dead in Persian. Where does this word come from?

"Maat" is the name of the oldest Egyptian Goddess, the one who oversees the "dead" in the Hall of Judgment, with the checkered black and white floor. She greets each soul after their death, where they are guided to her by Anubis, the jackal-god psychopomp (soul-guide).

The Sphinx of Egypt is believed by some modern researchers to be not a lion, but Anubis. (It looked more like a jackal or dog than a lion to me). Anubis is the deity linked to Sirius, according to Barbara Hand Clow in "The Pleiadian Agenda".

The 8X8 geometry of the board is the exact same as the Qabalistic Magick Square for the planet Mercury. Mercury is the Roman name for the Greek Hermes and the Egyptian Thoth. Maat is the spiritual partner of Thoth.

Mercury in the Tarot is the Magician. The Magician is Merlin. Merlin is essentially an aspect of Thoth. The Priestesses of Avalon are an aspect of Maat/Hathor/Isis.

Wherever we go, we seem to end in Egypt. Now, where do we go from there? There seem two possibilities. Either an older/contemporary Earth culture (Sumerian) or something pre-Flood (Atlantean).

The other possibility is extraterrestrial, if you can chew on that. The link would be Sirius, consistent with Robert Temple's research of the "primitive" Dogon tribe of North Africa, who had information about the Sirian star system they could not logically have had.

Jan, the Ghost Dance history is fascinating, it was begun by a Pauite shaman named Wovoka, and involved an interfacing of earthly and spiritual aspects if the teachings and dance were performed. Of course, this freaked out the Bluecoats, who offed them.

Georgia, there is a Temple of Isis in Aswan, in southern Egypt near the Sudanese border. I'm unaware of any such temple in Giza, but maybe I missed something.

You'll like this one: the name the Dogon's had for the third star in the Sirius system was "Star of Women".

Now we're really getting out there. Could chess be coming from Sirius? Maybe the knight was once Anubis. Bet ya Bobby Fischer was coming from their outer planet... :-)

Sirius is also the star that alligns in July and August in the Mayan system and their calendar started synchronized with Sirius and Venus in August 3113 BC.

The 10th glyph in the mayan calendar is "OC" or White Dog and carries the power of Heart or Love. (Dog Star) This glyph is associated with the planet Mercury also mentioned in your post 209.

Philip interesting Dog :: Dogon

"Star of Women" = 105 (388 numerology)

Interesting that it is the "3rd" star much like Earth is in the "3rd" orbit from the sun.

"Dogon" = 28 (9 numerology) and 28 is the cycle of the moon 13 moons x 28 days = 364 + 1 = 365 days in a year.

"Sirius" = 32 (9 numerology) and this is one half of the sqaures on the chess board. Where is the other star?

The Skyguide mentions Canis Minor, the Small Dog. "The Small Dog, placed in the sky for his faithfulness, drinks from the Milky Way, once thought to be a river. In Egypt he was Anubis, the jackal god. The Greeks called the whole group Procyon.

Between the Dogs is a faint constellation of the Unicorn, Monoceros.

Sirius, the Dog Star was called by the Egyptians Sothis, its companion, Pup is a white dwarf orbiting Sirius every 49.9 years.

LOVE

G

May the Hand of the Goddess Always be with You.

Mark, re 211, what "sign" is Sirius in? My guess would be to look at the "sign" opposite this first one, and then locate a major star therein; that would be the mate. Phil, re 209, I hadn't considered that chess might be pre-flood, but its entirely possible. The problem would be in finding any references that go back that far; in fact, there is a derth of descriptive references to the various board games that existed in post-flood societies. Thus far, I have one chess historian who traces the game back to Alexander the Great, and probably somewhat before his time (circa 330 BCE), based upon an ancient Greek board game called Peteia, but there is a huge gap between 330 BCE and 4000 BCE or thereabouts to Mesopotamia. No hard evidence, unfortunately, only our (and the chess historians') surmises and deductions. The chess historians base most of their surmises upon the first written references to a board game they recognize as chess (chaturanga in India) in the 500-600 CE; but I believe that's erroneous thinking. If a future historian was trying to trace the creation and playing of Monopoly for example, she'd have a hard time doing so if all she was looking at was written records to try to substantiate that the game existed. Who the heck writes about playing Monopoly? And yet I'll bet at least in the US, people play Monopoly a lot more than they play chess. So, we have to try and find connections elsewhere, such as in language (Xiangqi, Chinese Chess, is a good example of that), religious practices/beliefs, and ancient myths.

I highly recommend checking out the Glass Bead Game, online. If you are unfamiliar with it, it is from a book by Herman Hesse, called "Magister Ludi and the Glass Bead Game". It was about a future world, and their sacred university Castilia, where they played this game called "The Glass Bead Game." The object of the game was to make connections to subjects and themes. The main character in the book's dilemma felt that Castilia had sterilized the game, and he was feeling that the stakes could be higher, it was about life. In some ways the Glass Bead Game is a prophetic telling of the Internet, and the connections we make here.
Narada quotes:

"A further relation to illusion, to language, and a point from which to explore other relationships and find new ideas:

Sprachspiel - German compound word, from sprach (language, speech) and spiel (game, play (the kind at the theatre)) usually translated as language-game.

Sprachspiel is a central concept in Wittgenstein's (Austro-English philosopher) "Philosophical Investigations" (published around 1950) which argues (among other things) that language has meaning only within particular social contexts (each with its own language-game) and therefore that most of philosophy, in abstracting concepts such as truth, the good, meaning, etc. out of the various particular language-games in which they are used, becomes really a meaningless playing with symbols devoid of meaning."

Aleister Crowley wrote in his interpretations of the Book of the Law, that this was the age of Horus, which began April 9, 1904, and Horus would be succeeded by Thmaist, a combination of Thoth and Maat. Philip, thanks for making that connection. I believe that Mark also makes the connection between Maat and the Statue of Liberty in a recent email to me. Boy, are we playing a neat game, or what?!
Peace
Sunwolf

Neat analogies, Ron. I read Hesse about 20 years ago but had completely forgotten about The Glass Bead Game. That feels exactly like what this is.

Crowley has always been a "fave" of mine, along with Madame Blavatsky and Gurdjieff. I think those three had the most outrageous and interesting lives you could imagine. Too bad old Aleister was so misunderstood, but he seemed to want it that way.

More fun: According to Drunvalo Melchizidek (in his "Flower of Life" videos), Akhenaten and Nefertiti were from Sirius! He claims that's why their heads are depicted as huge and elongated, with long spindly bodies. Akhenaten openly invoked the energy of Maat, and Drunvalo's primary guide was Thoth.

I'm suspecting that a key here is the actual geometry of the board, perhaps more than the pieces, which, as we have discovered, have changed over time (though the pieces are certainly interesting).

This may have been pointed out in earlier posts, but the square 8X8 geometry is the exact same as the square 8X8=64 hexagrams of the I Ching. The latest in DNA understanding is that DNA is made of 64 6-part codons.

In Islamic art, there is a design that shows up in much of their culture that is called "The Breath of the Compassionate". It is based on 8-fold geometry. "Breath" in Greek is "pneuma", which means both "Spirit" and "breath", as well as "wind". The "Holy Spirit" is the same as the Great Mother Principle (it was neutered by the Christian Church). The correct identification still exists in India ("Shakti", the Goddess). Hence, 8 or 8-fold geometry is closely connected to the Great Mother Goddess.

Now you have my interest... and then you leave me hanging. What is the URL for the Glass Bead Game? And how to you always find such interesting stuff?

Ref #216 Vickie you have found something:

"O Music! In your depths we deposit our hearts and souls. Thou hast taught us to see with our ears, and hear with our hearts" = 440

440 Hz = "A" musical

A = 1 or "unity"

A is the beginning of A-Men

A is the beginning of "Alpha" and the end of "omegA"

A is the center of H E -A- R T

As it devolved into a game of military stragegy, the object of chess was not to kill the king but to capture him. Henry Davidson says in his book on chess history that in order to keep the game going longer, the Persians required that the attacking player call out "shah" (king) when the shah was attacked, thus preventing an accidental and premature termination of the game; "when the king was helpless - could not move without being in check - the Persians spoke of him as being manad, which is old Persian for 'ambushed,' and from this comes our modern word 'mate.' " Elsewhere, Davidson says "manad" means "helpless"; thus another way of terminating a game was to eliminate all of your opponent's pieces, leaving only the king, helpless. Phil, if you haven't read The Eight by Katherine Neville, I would highly recommend it. The premise of the novel is that an alchemical formula for an elixir of eternal life is encoded in the Montglane Chess Service, which was Charlemagne's chess set, and the scope of the author's research alone is breathtaking, not to mention it's a rip-roaring good story. Ron, you're going to love The Magic Circle; in that story Neville is making connections, just like we're doing here.

We have a 7th, Horus will you do the honors to introduce Mer.

I was watching a travel program about Paris on PBS and the 12th century Cathedral Notre Dame (Our Mother) was featured. The floor was a Chess board, of white and green or blue squares, I couldn't make out the exact color. The board was set on a diaginal. 45 degree turn, so when you walk down the center you move like the bishop or Queen. In another section it was turned so that you move rank and file. I would like a map of the floor.

Ref. #212

The ancients believed in, above is the same as below. So, we have the three pyramids aligned with Orions belt, could the Nile represent the Milky Way.

Manna for thought.

LOVE

G

May the Hand of the Goddess Always be with You.

Ref 219 Hmmmm... I wonder why Georgia has taken to calling me "Horus".

Mer is my wife, she is from the Phillipines and we were married May 30, 1987 the year of Harmonic Convergence. In the Mayan Pleiadian daycount we both have the same Galactic birthday Red Overtone Skywalker. The duty of the Skywalker is to join Heaven and Earth. Two Overtone Skywalker's joining in marriage takes that to a personal level. The mayan Overtone tone means Radiance "light" and look how that relates:

MER = 18 = LOVE (using 9 numerology)

In the Egyptian "Flower of Life" meditation activates the MER KA BA.

MER = Light , KA = Spirit , BA = Body

You will find both Mer & Mark within the word MerKaBa.

Now lets look at HORUS = 81 (using 26 numerology)

Well well, MER = 18 , 81 = HORUS (Mark)

"The Hand of Isis Always be with You and her Heart energy be your Manna."

You're on the wavelength of the Egyptians, Georgia. They did indeed regard the Nile as representative of the Milky Way, as did the Greeks. They called it "Okeanos", the river of stars, and it symbolized both the Milky Way (as visible between the stars Rigel and Archernar) and the river Nile. You can read about this in Bauval's "The Orion Mystery".

Ref 221

"Goddess Milky Way is Radial Star Rivers"

In 9 numerology the phrase = 153

In 26 numerology the phrase = 414 (144)

1+5+3 = 9

4+1+4 = 9

9+9 = 18 = LOVE = 3+6+4+5

153 + 414 = 567 ... 5+6+7 = 18

CHESS = 3+8+5+1+1 = 18

9 is the number of the star-tetrahedron used in the Egyptian Flower of Life MerKaBa meditation:

4 points of the sun tetrahedron 1 center 4 points of the earth tetrahedron

4+1+4 = 9

If we two star tetrahedrons a male and female in balance then we have 9+9 = 18

Can anyone get a hold of the radar imagining maps of Egypt? On this imaging it shows the origanal bed of the Nile, for at one time the Nile flowed from East to West, and this map shows this. Can we get the radar imaging of the Giza Plateau? Now if we can get a computer to lay out the locations of the major star groups, for the past 20,000 years or so, we could over lay the maps and see what happens.

LOVE

G

May the Hand of the Goddess Always be with You.

More interesting connections:

The Egyptian heiroglyph for "Goddess" and "Serpent" are one and the same. Very significant in light of the fact that in India the "Serpent" is identified with the "kundalini-Shakti" force, which translates from the Sanskrit as "serpent power". The kundalini is the individualized form (coiled up in the 1st chakra) of the cosmic Goddess principle, Shakti, which also manifests as the life-force ("prana"), that is the true source of the Christian Holy Spirit.

The Sanskrit "Goraksha Samhita" says: "The serpent power, forming an EIGHTFOLD coil above the "kanda" (egg-shaped origin point of the inner psychic channels in the body), remains there all the while covering with its face the opening of the door to the Absolute. Through that door the safe door to the Absolute can be reached. Covering with the face that door, the great Goddess is asleep (in the average person). Sleeping in the form of a serpent, resembling a resplendent cord, when awakened by the Yoga of Fire (mind and breathing techniques) rises upward through the sushumna" (inner channel from the 1st to 7th chakras).

It's probable this Yogic technology was known and mastered by the ancient Egyptians as well. In the temples of Luxor and Karnak you see the serpent carved everywhere, just as much as the ankh (life-force, i.e. "prana") and the pharoah's cartouche.

In Egypt, the serpent also represented duality, the creative/destructive force of intelligence (whether purified or ego-centric). This is the precise meaning of Shakti, who both creates (Parvati) and destroys (Kali) the cosmos. Shiva is the silent non-active principle in the background.

The pharoah's diadem (crown) had two symbols on it, the vulture and the cobra (serpent). They symbolized the unification of Upper and Lower Egypt. I suspect this also represented the unification of upper and lower chakras, the Sky Gods with the Mother Earth Goddess, exactly consistent with Indian Yoga, where Shakti is in the 1st chakra (earth) and Shiva in the 7th (crown-sky). Unification of the two is enlightenment.

The priesthoods of later, more repressed times and cultures, became dissociated from the lower chakras (especially sexuality). Hence, the serpent (lower chakric energy) became a threat, upon whom repressed psychic material was projected. In chess, the queen gaining her powers around this time may have been a psychic outlet for societies that had lost touch with the true meaning of feminine power, and sublimated it through a gaming board.

So the other day I was walking into the living room, where my roomate was watching T.V., and a commercial on Black History was on. They asked two questions : Do you know where chess orginated? Answer: Africa. Do you know where the symbol of the Statue of Liberty comes from? Answer : Africa.

I was amazed that they asked these two particular questions.

Georgia I think I remember the Nile flowing East and West around Giza and Luxor. They actually found ancient ships 100 miles from the river, in Eastern Egypt, no where near an outlet.

Philip, you are interested in so many things that I am, maybe we can chat via email too. What do you think?
Peace
Sunwolf

As usual sometimes the answer is staring right in our face. Look at the following as they are patterns that appear in many other places including the chessboard.

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I will provide one of many possible interpretations. The one on the left is symbolic of the four directions east, north, west, south and it maybe more masculine thus the number 4. The one on the right has the four directions but also has the center and maybe more feminine thus the number 5 of the pentagram. Now if we put them together we get 4+5=9 notice in this new pattern we have:

1 center + 8 around it (18 = Love)

1 + (4 + 4) forms our infamous 144 number

144 / 9 = 16 = number of chess pieces

Notice the piece on the right is like a pyramid with its capstone (top) in place.

Ron, I saw that commercial yesterday. All I can say is that, at least with regard to the origins of chess, it is totally and absolutely incorrect. I am assuming the reference to chess coming from Africa means "Egypt", and the game did not originate there, as we who have been participating on this site know very well. The Egyptians played a game with dice called "Senet" which was a chase game played with men on a pegged board. It was purely a game of chance and not of skill (except perhaps for throwing the dice), and has nothing in common at all with chess. In fact, if you remember a scene from the movie The Ten Commandments, where the beautiful princess is playing a game with Pharoah called "Hounds and Jackals", that was "Senet", same game, different name.

Philip Mistlberger - 01:52pm Feb 15, 1999 PST (#228 of 243)

Mark, your creativity never ceases to surprise me.

Ron and Georgia, there are at least 9 tributaries of the Nile that flow from a northwest to northeast orientation, all of them just north of Cairo. Also, there has been much flooding from time to time, so it would seem very possible that things could get "carried away", so to speak.

The African commercial thing is interesting, a good example of the power of "synchronicity". Focus on something, and you start to see it everywhere. I was thinking the other day about the relation between the Nile and the Milky Way, and a friend gave me a gift, a book called "The Secret Language of the Stars and Planets". I casually opened it to page 137, and there was a hand drawn map of the Nile with the Milky Way above it, connecting the pyramids to various stars!

Jan, re your post 227, I feel constrained to point out that, although the TV commercial probably was a result of poor research, the reality is we simply do not have hard evidence for the origins of chess. I too have looked at the library history books, and though they all have their pet speculations, nobody knows for sure (which they all admit as well). With Egypt, we don't even know how the pyramids were built, or even what the "pyramid texts" really are saying, despite the fact that heiroglyphics have been decoded! That is because so much of Egyptian languaging was completely symbolic, it is almost impossible to interpret it with a mind set seperated by thousands of years of different conditioning.

My point here is that I think this eventually enters into the realm of "archetypal speculation". We make associations, connections, like a Glass Bead Game, and utilize the symbolisms for our own self-unfoldment. Perhaps symbols like "chess" and "Goddess" are ultimately aspects of ourselves that are awaiting deeper activation both within us, and in the collective "memory-bank", if you will, of humanity.

Regarding another symbol: the Bee. I barely recall how the bee got into this discussion (I think it was Ron), but to my surprise I read yesterday that King Menes' (the first historical king of unified Egypt) wife was named after the bee-goddess, Neit. Also, the oldest recognized temple in Egypt, at Sais in the Nile delta, was named "Hwt-bit", which means "Castle of the Bee." All of this and much more is in Alan Alford's "The Phoenix Solution".

Apparently bees copulate in the air, and the male drone's phallus is ripped of in the act! He then dies (no wonder, poor guy). Strangely reminiscent of Osiris.

All interesting, as I've long suspected that the Sarmoung ("Bee") school, though based for a long time in Afghanistan, comes from the Mesopotamian/Nile area.

Something I didn't mention in my last post: the Vulture is a Goddess symbol as well as the Serpent/Cobra. Thus, Tutankhamen's diadem (crown), in having the dual vulture/cobra emblems on it, was holding a double Goddess symbol.

Ref 228 Philip - thanks I'm am pleased you enjoy and know that you co-create with me watch what your words help create:

"Your creativity never ceases to surprise me." = 181 (9 numerology)

181 is 18 going both directions 18 & 81

L O V E = 3+6+4+5 = 18

There are 64 squares on the Chess board

64 + 53 + 64 = 181

64 = 1

53 = 8

64 = 1

My spirit name is "Foton Fonon" which = 53 (9 numerology) it means "Sound of Light".

42 + 11 = 53

53 + 11 = 64

The 42 is symbolic of Arcturus in the Bootes constellation and the 11 is symbolic of the Mayan Blue Monkey "chuen" glyph which carries the power of playful magic. When the 20 mayan glyphs are overlaid on the planet Earth as chakra points the 11th glyph Chuen is over the Maya homeland.

181 + 3 earth orbit + 181 = 365 days in a year

"love is what makes our world go around and around" = 181 (9 numerology)

"love is what makes our world go around and around" = 388 (in Ron's 388 numerology)

Philip, you have a wonderful sense of humor, you make me smile :-)

Jan, remember the reference to Libya in "The Eight", Libya means The White Goddess. I was looking at the Globe of the earth and noticed that Libya is next to Egypt. Now if the Nile ran East to West the Nile would have flowed into Libya. Carthage (Tunis) which was a martriarchal society, is next to Libya. Even money Libya was matriarchal also.

Egypt was a matriarchal society.

Regarding bees, the order of bees is hymenoptera. Hymeno = god/goddess of marriage or membrane ptera = wing.

I remember hearing that Edgar Casey had said that the Nile had origanally run East to West, this makes me think that he had access to ancient information. That means, to me, the information is out there, we just need to find to it. This is a splendid journey shared with wonderful people, kind of like a cruise on the Nile:-)

LOVE

Georgia

There is a great book out called The Fingerprints of the Gods, where they speculate that the Earth use to be at a different axis, that it is off 23 degrees. Before the shift, the Nile ran into Libya, and the South Pole was a tropical island off the coasts of Africa and South America. There is some speculation that these people were the ancestors of the Omlecs, a Black Race. Could it be that a Matiarchal Black Race that was superior to the white races, could have ruled the globe at one time, superior in technology and sea-faring abilities? It could be that life originated in Africa, and who is to say that chess didn't also?
Mark I notice that those chess symbols also look like the cross, and foliated cross that has been found in Maya lands. Philip you have some interesting insights and I like the gentle way you look at all directions. Jan, whether or not, you have done your research and that is really what is more important, because you have increased your abilities to research this. I have enjoyed all that you have "pulled up."
Peace
Sunwolf

Ref #231 Ron great job you saw the geometric connection and the cross & maya symbology.

I had a dream last night where I was given the "Book of the Rose" which was the original Bible and it was alot bigger. I guess, I will be returning to read the book in future dreams.

"Book of the Rose" = 64 (9 numerology) the number of squares on the chess board.

In Mayan there is the symbol of the "Black Rose" = 32 a reflection of the 23 degrees mentioned in your post Ron. "Black Rose" seems to me is symbolic of "Black Madonna".

I have read that the Black race used to be Blue thus we see on the Mayan medicine wheel the Blue (west) but on the American Indian medicine wheel we see Black (west).

What happened? Why did they change color?

You are all a lot more charitable than I when it comes to representing a statement as "fact" when it is not. Technically, there is no difference in the McDonalds' commercial stating as fact that chess originated in Africa and the President stating that he did not have sexual relations with "that woman". The effect is the same; and this is not a political commentary! Georgia, I doubt that the creators of the commercial ever heard about Katherine Neville and The Eight, let alone her references to the White Goddess who's sacred place was, if I recall correctly, guarded by a tribe of Beduoins whose skin was dyed blue. You must allow me, gentle people, to be incensed by this because of my profession. I deal in facts. People get sued because of misrepresentation of "facts". People can be severely harmed by misrepresentation of "facts". End of sermon. Anyway, chess goes back much further than the founding of Egypt in 3000 BCE or thereabouts, even if we can't prove it by written references in ancient texts, and the worship of the White Goddess radiated out from Mesopotamia/Chaldea the same way chess did. Phil, the bee was one of Artemis' symbols; Artemis was the Ephesian Diana, who is traced back to Rhea, the Mother Goddess of Sumeria, who was inherited from the Chaldeans, who inherited her from the first Babylon, ruled by Nimrod (son of Cush, who, by all accounts, was black skinned, Cush being the grandson of Noah who, by all accounts, was very white skinned) and Semiramis, reputedly as beautiful as Nefertiri. All skin tones arose out of the survivors of the Flood, and here we have black/white (like the modern chess board), and probably every other skin color under the rainbow, including a connection to blue. By the way, I woke up "last night" and rolled over to look at the clock, which read "3:33", and laughed out loud. Nothing like a little synchronicity to spice up one's life, hey?

ref 233 wow! Jan that is neat 3:33 right about the same time I was dreaming about the "Book of the Rose" how neat.

Look at what your 3:33 connects to:

3+3+3 = 9 or can be represented like this:

1	1	1			1			1		1
1	1	1		1		1			1
1	1	1			1			1		1

"May the Rainbow Heart of Creation Feel Your Joy of Goddess and God"

Couldn't help but notice how this discussion now has more posts than any other at the Wild Card site. Since "Wild Card" is reserved for the really "out-there" topics, that makes us the most active "out-there's", easily defeating the lesser weirdoes over at "The Sun is not Real", who are now trailing sadly behind. Soon we can set sight on bigger fish. Just imagine it, "Chess History" having more messages than the discussions for Hoagland, Dames, or even Bell himself. Georgia, speak to Jan about copyrights. :-)

Mark, interesting dream. Have you looked into the history of the Rosicrucians and their Rose/Cross symbolism? Fascinating stuff.

Ron and Georgia, if I recall rightly the Nile theory is connected to the idea that Atlantis did not lie "beyond the Pillars of Heracles", in the Atlantic, as Plato reported (which he got from a distant ancestor, Solon, who in turn allegedly got it from Egyptian priests), but rather was in Antarctica, which, about 16,000 years ago, was basically ice-free. The theory goes that due to cataclysmic changes (pole shift and crust displacement) Atlantis became toast, but much of its culture migrated in time, up through South America, and into Africa and the Mediterranean, between roughly 14,000 and 10,000 BCE. This fits with the widely held esoteric belief that the Great Pyramid is about 10,000 years old, the Sphinx even older.

I used to have a copy of Robert Graves' "The White Goddess", a veritable treasure trove of mythic insight, but it has gone missing from my collection. Anybody have this book?

Mark, you are incredible! This is very similar to the earlier posting at the Pyramid site where, I think it was Phil (a different Phil than "ours" here) said something about 11:11. So, you dreamed about a Book of the Rose. For some reason that seems to mean something to me, but I don't know why or what. I'll stew on it for awhile and let you know if I come up with anything. Playing with numbers: remember in some of my earlier posts, I mentioned three trinities: God/Jesus/Mary; Adam/Eve/Satan, Nimrod/Semiramis/Ninus = 3 + 3 + 3 = 9. So now I'm fixating on 9's. I want to know what happened to all of my 8's!

Phil Mistlberger.

I always thought the reason for all the postings was because a lot of the writers are aliases of the same person, a neutral observation based solely on style and content.

Whenever I go to the chess site, I always keep my voice silent and figuratively "remove my shoes" before entering the temple.........

Ref 237 Paul it is not the same person however we are on the same wavelength and work well together. Feel free to contribute.

Jan, I am in anticipation of what you come up with on the "Book of the Rose" Here is your 8 again:

"Jan Newton" (9 numerology) = 35 = 3+5 = 8

8 = 2+2+2+2 = 22:22 = 11:11 + 11:11

Now we put the 8 and the 9 together

8 + 9 = 17 = 1+7 = 8

9 is the number of Light , play with it and see what you get when add, subtract, divide by 9, 99 or 999. Watch how the light plays in the numbers.

14 / 99 = .141414141414...forever...

52 / 99 = .525252525252...forever...

08 / 99 = .080808080808...forever...

"Reflections of Light mirroring the Heart"

Jan, here is your 8, Paul, Welcome Paul.

Did you know that some scientists have come to the conclusion, with the help of midocondrial DNA, that we ALL came from the same mother, that means there was an Eve. I guess I better get started with my holiday shopping:-)

Did you know, the human egg chooses the sperm and the human egg can alter the DNA of the sperm.

LOVE

Brothers & Sisters

G

May the Hand of the Goddess Always be with You.

Mark, one of the names of Virgin Mary was the "The Mystical Rose." Rose symbolism is strongly connected to England, and in English heraldry is associated with the "seventh son". Freemasonry has a degree known as the "Rose Croix", or "Cross of Roses". Interestingly, the Rosicrucian ("Rose-Cross") mystical fellowship of the 17th century inherited the understanding of the alchemical power of music (to spiritually open a person) from the Muslim Hermeticists.

Ref 240 Philip ... neat

"Cross of Roses" = 54 = 5 + 4 = 9

"Book of the Star Rainbow Cross and Rose" = 144 = 1+4+4 = 9

Now lets combine the medicine wheel colors with the image and see what we get:

 

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We see that the Green Heart chakra color stays in the center and the other 4 colors of the human race red, white, blue/black, yellow. So we have the: 144

1 Green + 4 Male + 4 Female

4 male = 4 points of the SUN tetrahedron of the star-tetrahedron.

4 female = 4 points of the EARTH tetrahedron of the star-tetrahedron.

1 Green center = the Heart of the star-tetrahedron where the SUN and EARTH or "Heaven and Earth" become one. As Ron has told me many times the Goddess Isis used the Green color.

"May the Rainbow of your Star Heart shine brightly with Balance, Joy, Purpose, Peace, and Harmony"

Jan Newton - 08:57am Feb 17, 1999 PST (#242 of 251)

Hi Paul, such heresy! Last time I checked I was only me and no one else, but I did mention to Phil once that great minds think alike and IMHO (cough, cough), that is what's going on here. Mark, I was free associating last night over a glass of wine and came up with the following re your dream about the Book of the Rose and the Black Rose: The Song of Solomon in the Bible is about the Shulamite Maiden and King Solomon. The Maiden is described, in two of three translations I had on hand, as "black and comely", and elsewhere as "swarthy" and "tanned by the sun". She is also called the Rose of Sharon and the Lily of the Valley. Thus, the Maiden could legitimately be called the Black Rose. Remember your reference to the Lily being one of the symbols of the Knights Templar? The Black Rose = The Lily (of the Valley, or the Plain of Sharon). Years ago I read a novel by Thomas Costain called "The Black Rose"; my recollection is misty at best but I think it's about a bastard knight and his quest for legitimacy, fame and fortune. The Black Rose = The Black Knight (chess) searching for legitimacy (legitimacy = acceptance and redemption); Parsifal = the Pure (White) Knight (chess) searching for the Holy Grail (Holy Grail = acceptance and redemption). Phil, here's some way out there stuff for everyone's political enjoyment: The Rose Garden is circular; one of the themes of Neville's latest book, The Magic Circle, is about endless cycles of death and rebirth (does this sound like a certain President we all know?); the Circle in the Babylonian Mysteries = the Seed. I won't make the final connection, I'm still somewhat superstitious about "blasphemy"! Finally, some playful archetypes: Is the Black Rose none other than Monica Lewinsky? Think about it, she is a dark haired sloe eyed beauty who looks like she'd take a gorgeous tan ("swarthy" and "tanned by the sun") . Mark, have you ever run the numbers on her? And if ML is the Black Rose, what does that make the President (obvious rejoinders have no place here, gentle people, please!), the White Knight? I wonder if ML and the President know how to play chess?

P. S. Mark, it was right in front of me and I didn't see it - the 8 + 9 = 17 (my 8, of course)! By the way, wasn't there a sensational murder case involving someone called "The Black Rose" back in L.A. in the '40's or '50's? I recall seeing a special on t.v. about this years ago, and the crime was never solved. However, this Black Rose was a beautiful blonde.

Ref 243 - Jan now you have a friend for your 8 the 9 =17 and look what 17 has to show us:

G O D = 7+6+4 = 17

Now look what happens when we add "1" to the 17:

L O V E = 3+6+4+5 = 18 = (1 + 17)

The number 18 and 81 are numbers associated with the Goddess.

Here is some numerology you were wondering about:

"Shulamite Maiden" = 64

"Monica Lewinsky" = 65

"Bill Clinton" = 50

"Black Knight" = 44 = 8

"Rose of Sharon" = 63 = 9

"Holy Grail" = 53 = 8

"Black receives light and White radiates light as Rainbows dance between"

The Shulamite Maiden must have been a chess player, look at that 64. Thanks, Mark.

Mark, next you're going to create a 3-d image, and after that, something is probably going to leap out of the computer screen at us.

Very cool display. Those colors are the same as the 5 Cosmic Buddhas of Tibetan Tantric Buddhism. Amitabh is Red, representing purified passion and compassion, Amogasiddhi is green (transmutation of envy into equanimity), Akshobya is blue (transmutation of anger and hate into mirror-like wisdom), Ratnasambhava is yellow (transforming materialism into generosity) and Vairochana is white (representing supreme enlightenment, compared to a "diamond", the "indestructible awakening").

Jan, I picked up Neville's "Magic Circle" and have been scanning through it (sacrilege, I know, but I rarely have time to "cover-to-cover" anything these days), and her writing and breadth of knowledge are indeed impressive. However, a small bone of contention: she refers at one point to Crowley as a "black magician", and this is simply not accurate. Crowley was spuriously labeled that way by many during his time (repressed Victorian England), but he was really a brilliant scholar and mystic with left-hand Tantric tendencies and a marked propensity for shooting himself in the foot.

Nuclear Physics 101

Some physicists believe that matter is energy, in packet form, vibrating at different frequencies, compared to a vibrating guitar string. The universe is filled with music. I will leave it to you to figure out what tune the universe is playing :-)

LOVE

G

May the Hand of the Goddess Always be with You.

Ref 246 Philip thanks for the compliment look at the words you mentioned using 9 numerology:

Color	Word	Sum	Reduced
.	"Amitabh"	27	9
.	"Vairochana"	47	2
.	"Akshobya"	28	1
.	"Ratnasambhava"	40	4
.	"Amogasiddhi"	54	9

We notice the reduced number values of the words begin and end with
9 and that 9+9 = 18 = Love.   "Chess" = 18

9 + 2 + 1 + 4 + 9 = 25

If we convert these 5 numbers into Dreamstar mayan glyphs then we have

Star + Wind + Dragon + Seed + Star = Harmony

	Wind			Spirit.		Birth.
.Seed	Star	Dragon			Harmony
	Star			Art		Art

Phil B., Aleister Crowley is posting all of these posts from the grave, singing "I left my heart in San Francisco" and as the mother of all seductresses she has quiet a long christmas list indeed. Thanks for taking off your shoes.

Mark, sometimes I feel that the Internet is going to take all of your work and gain consciousness.
Jan I like your analogy of the Bastard Knight, indeed.

Now if we include Mer, we have out 9.
Bishop to King's Rook 2.
Peace
Sunwolf

Thanks, Ron. Did you notice the transformation of the Black Rose/Knight from female to male and back to female again? Only goes to show you what one glass of wine will do when one is speculating on archetypes, chess and life in general... Georgia and I, rank novices that we are, are going to start up an e-mail chess game. I even got a super duper special all wood board for only $14.99 on sale with 7 other games in the box. Now don't laugh your heads off, guys! Next thing you know, we'll be taking Phil on. Some chess trivia: I don't exactly remember the facts involved in this ancient tale, so I will only relate the math; the petitioner asked the king to grant him two grains of wheat on the first square of the chess board, doubling the grains thereafter on each succeeding square until all 64 squares were covered. The king, figuring this was a sucker bet, agreed. However, when it was all added up, it came out to, I think it was 18 million million million (or something like that) grains of wheat, more than all the wheat that has ever been grown in the world to this day. The calculation is 2 to the 64th power. Davidson and Earles both mentioned this story, Earles indicating that it is older than the "known" origins of chess from India, so it is a mystery where the story came from. Ha! We know.

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