Philip Mistlberger - 12:46pm Feb 18, 1999 PST (#251 of 251)

Ron, though we've never heard from her, I think Mer was the 8th. And who the heck is Phil "B"? A composite of Phil M and Paul B?? Now I'm really confused. Perhaps we ARE all aspects of each other...

The other day I stumbled across an artistic rendering in a mythic text of Beelzebub as a bee. Interesting, because Gurdjieff's (the Sarmoung ["Bee"] school initiate) magnus opus was entitled "Beelzebub's Tales to His Grandson". It's an incredible, Kafkaesque allegory about a space traveller who visits earth, and comments on the various depravities and spiritual retardations of humanity.

Very interesting Mark, that Akshobya and Vairochana reduced are 1 and 2 respectively, because they take turns alternating as the Central and Eastern cardinal points in the Tibetan system. Amitabh (red) is the West, Ratnasambhava (yellow) is the South, and Amogasiddhi (green) is North.

Ron, though we've never heard from her, I think Mer was the 8th. And who the heck is Phil "B"? A composite of Phil M and Paul B?? Now I'm really confused. Perhaps we ARE all aspects of each other...

The other day I stumbled across an artistic rendering in a mythic text of Beelzebub as a bee. Interesting, because Gurdjieff's (the Sarmoung ["Bee"] school initiate) magnus opus was entitled "Beelzebub's Tales to His Grandson". It's an incredible, Kafkaesque allegory about a space traveller who visits earth, and comments on the various depravities and spiritual retardations of humanity.

Very interesting Mark, that Akshobya and Vairochana reduced are 1 and 2 respectively, because they take turns alternating as the Central and Eastern cardinal points in the Tibetan system. Amitabh (red) is the West, Ratnasambhava (yellow) is the South, and Amogasiddhi (green) is North.

Ref 251 Philip thats interesting that Akshobya (blue) and Vairochana (whire) alternate. In the Mayan Galactic sheild it has White and Green in the center. Here is the meaning attached with each color from a Mayan / Plieadean perspective:

Red - Birth, Life Force, Purification, Prophecy, Navigation

White - Spirit, Death, Heart, Timeless, Endless

Blue - Abundance, Accomplishment, Magic, Vision, Self-generation

Yellow - Flowering, Art, Free Will, Intelligence, Enlightenment

Green - Balance, Joy, Purpose, Peace, Harmony

But it looks better in Mandala form:

Mark, can I hire you to "do" my house? Woke up last night, rolled over and looked at the clock and it said 4:54. Immediately started doing mathematical combinations in my mind, which only goes to show I've gone over the edge, folks!

4 + 5 = 9; 5 + 4 = 9; 9 + 9 = 18 = love 9 + 9 = 3 + 3 + 3 + 3 + 3 + 3 (six trinities, the Great Mother Goddess being central to each) 4 + 5 + 4 = 13 = 1 + 3 = 4 4 + 4 = 8 (there's my 8) + 5 (the value of Janet) = 13

Ref 253 - Jan, guess what I woke up last night and looked at the clock and it was 4:18 ... Ron will love that as 418 is Crowley's number for the "House of God". Look at relationship with your time of 4:54.

418 + 36 = 454

36 = 18 + 18 = 9+9 + 9+9

418 + 454 = 872

8+7+2 = 17 = 8+9

Jan are not going over the edge, you are doing great! think of the numbers as "musical notes in a song" and the words of the song are: Love, trinity, goddess, god, child, etc...

Ref.# 64 - 66

I was cruzing and look what I found. The origin of the name America is Mayan, it comes from the word Ameruca, Land of the Plumed Serpent. Naughty MIV, what would their Mothers say if they knew what their naughty boys have been doing. OOOOOO he..he..he

LOVE

G

May Manna Always be with You.

Ref 255 - Georgia wow! You are a goddess... check this out

"Ameruca" = 26

26 is the base fractal or harmonic of the milky way galaxy and the mayan calendar tzolkin has 260 kin/days.

We find the Mayans had a thing about 9 using our 9 :

9 + 17 = 26

1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 --9-- 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17

We see that 9 is in the center of 17 and notice what happens when we add the

alpha "1" + omega "17" = 18 "Love" (9+9)

Mark, somehow the tune "with numbers in my mind" doesn't have the same "resonance" as "with a song in my heart"; too much like "the windmills of my mind"! (You may be too young to remember THAT one!) I am tracking down some info on stories about the deaths of ancient male gods, preparatory to tying it into some myths surrounding the creation of chess. Stay tuned.

Dare I mention the battle between Captain Janeway and the Borg Queen? Notice that the Borg are modeled after the Queen Bee and the Hive mentality. The bee, being the icon of the archetypal Goddess, is also tied to chess. Janeway and the Borg Queen are playing chess. Isn't it interesting that the Borg Queen is depicted as "evil" while Janeway is depicted as the "savior" (must have been written by a man); Janeway is actually the modern-day counterpart of the Great Patriarch, only dressed up in frilly clothes to appease us girls! Wonder which Queen will win?

Ref.# 258

Jan,

You see the game.

LOVE

G

May Manna Always be with You.

The more I look at the mythological literature, there more I see the direct connection between chess, the serpent, the moon, the Goddess, and Thoth/Maat.

Joseph Campbell points out that the serpent and moon are linked, both being archetypes of rebirth. The serpent shedding his/her skin, the moon waxing and waning. The moon is also the Goddess (Hecate, Selena, and others), and Goddess and serpent are linked in Egypt (same heiroglyph), in Greece (Demeter is sometimes depicted with a serpent right behind her), and in the Syro-Hittite Gilgamesh seals, which depict the Goddess and caduceus-like images side by side. In the Sumerian seal called "The Goddess of the Tree", the goddess Gula-Bau is shown with the serpent right behind her. There are many others.

Chess, like the moon and serpent, is also an archetype of rebirth (resurrected pawns magically transforming into the Queen/Goddess). Its 8X8=64 geometry is also the Kabbalistic geometry of Hermes/Thoth. Thoth is the Egyptian diety of the moon. Thoth is the male counterpart of Maat.

Thus, chessboard=Maat=Thoth=moon=rebirth=serpent=Goddess=Maat. And around we go (pun intended).

Thank you Phil for turning me on to Georges I. Gurdjieff. I have visited the gurdjieff.org site and read everything there and visited most of the links. Since I have returned to college to finish my degree in music ed I have the opportunity to share Gurdjieff's music as part of my studies. I was surprised an excited when the professor of my piano class said that she was not familiar with his work. So I will be introducing his work as part of my degree requirements.

RE Post 215: This may have been pointed out in earlier posts, but the square 8X8 geometry is the exact same as the square 8X8=64 hexagrams of the I Ching. The latest in DNA understanding is that DNA is made of 64 6-part codons.

One the the Gurjieff records is called "Bridge to the Unseen" and this is that it says about it. The title of the recording takes its inspiration from the I Ching which speaks of a time when music was seen as something serious and holy, designed to purify the feelings and construct "a bridge to the world of the unseen".

Ilumani

Hi Ilumani, I'm delighted you made the connection. ("Ilumani" is a beautiful name, does it mean "light"?). I had the good fortune to be part of a Gurdjieff group for 8 months in Montreal, back in 1982. His work has had a strong influence on my life, and I still have his books (and those of many of his famous students). The story of Olga and Tomas de Hartmann (Olga was one of his main student/representatives for a while, and Tomas was his pianist) is very fascinating. Also, there is a video-movie out about the earlier part of his life, called "Meetings with Remarkable Men" (sorry ladies about the sexist title!), and in this movie there is a scene showing the inside of the Sarmoung ("Bee") monastery somewhere in central Asia, including scenes of the sacred movement/dances, and the music that goes with it (at least some of the music, anyway). You can get Hartmann's compositions on tape, which you may have found through the website.

As I mentioned in an earlier post, I got to see these dances performed at an ashram in Poona, India, back in '91, one of the treats of my life.

As for the I Ching link, it seems a good chance that many of these mystery school ciphers (Tarot, I Ching, and probably chess) were connected through the Sarmoung, which I've been doing more research on and have found some authors who are convinced that the Sarmoung, through its ancient Afghanistan centre, was the primary source of spiritual wisdom for a long time, until its main city, Balkh, was sacked by Genghis Khan, and the mystery schools went underground. Two of these authors even contend that Wicca derives in part from the Sarmoung schools of Afghanistan. A good read for all this is "People of the Secret" by Ernest Scott.

ref 262 Philip this word came up several times in your post:

Sarmoung

It is 36 (18+18) in 9 numerology and it is 108 (number of prayer beads) in 26 numerology.

As I recall in the I Ching there is actually a 65 that is the hidden "1". What would happen to the Chess board if we made it 9 by 9 instead of 8 by 8? ... We would add in the center a pawn and then a Child between the Queen and King. The board would now have 81 squares. 64 + 17 = 81 (see message 256 on 17).
 

I dance and sing
joining my goddess
and god within
creating a Rainbow
in the morning of
the Golden Dawn.

Everyone just read this and since you cannot post a web address here I am placing the whole article here. It is about Knights Templar and Goddess.

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'The Templar Revelation' by Lynn Picknett and Clive Prince

Simon and Schuster, $15

Everything you know about Christianity is wrong. The Nativity is a myth, the ministry of Jesus has been misrepresented and the Crucifixion may have been a publicity stunt that went awry. The truth has been purposely suppressed for two millennia by men who were bent on promoting their own agenda, beginning with early church leaders including the Apostles Peter and Paul. Who says so? The same people who claim the Shroud of Turin is a photograph of Leonardo da Vinci.

In "The Templar Revelation," authors Lynn Picknett and Clive Prince lay out the clues that lead them to make those bold assertions. They are as diverse as the decorations on Gothic cathedrals, the Gnostic texts discovered in Egypt half a century ago, and works of art from the Renaissance.

It was Leonardo, in fact, who prompted Picknett and Prince to investigate these matters. Their earlier book "Turin Shroud: In Whose Image?" concludes that not only is the Shroud a fake, it was manufactured by da Vinci. They claim he used his secret knowledge of alchemy to concoct a primitive form of photography and create the enigmatic image on the Shroud. Moreover, they claim the face of the "Shroudman" is that of da Vinci himself.

Their research into the Shroud convinced them that Leonardo was a leading member of a mysterious society called The Priory of Sion. They believe the Priory arose in the Middle Ages alongside another secret order, The Knights Templar. Unlike the Templars, however, Picknett and Prince claim the Priory of Sion is alive and well and carefully manipulating events today.

The authors admit their knowledge of the Priory is limited. Public information about it is apparently limited to seven documents on deposit in a French library. They were placed there in the mid-1960's, and appear to be an unimpressive jumble of genealogies which purport to document the bloodline of a royal French family that lost the throne nearly a thousand years ago. Not only do the papers seem inconsequential, Picknett and Price readily admit some of them are forgeries. They seize on that fact to support their theory that the documents are significant.

"An enormous amount of time, effort and perhaps personal danger must have been involved in setting up such an elaborate ploy. But at the same time, in the final analysis, it appears to be completely and utterly pointless. In that respect, however, the whole business is merely following the old tradition of intelligence agencies, in which few things are as they appear to be and the most seemingly straightforward matters may well be exercises in disinformation."

Therein lies the logic of "The Templar Revelation." That which seems to have neither merit nor meaning must be both true and vitally important. Armed with this upside-down viewpoint, Picknett and Price plunge into an investigation of the shadow world of heresy and occultism.

Their search apparently required them to spend quite a lot of time in the south of France. Whatever other attractions it might provide, the region is steeped in religious veneration for two New Testament figures, John the Baptist and Mary Magdalene. The same area was the home turf of the Knights Templar. Their researches led Picknett and Prince to conclude that the Templars knew something about John and Mary that the rest of the world didn't. It was this secret that the authors were determined to ferret out.

Ultimately, they created a sort of "family tree" of European secret societies that includes both the Templars and the Priory of Sion, as well as the Rosicrucians, the hermetic movement and the various permutations of Freemasonry. (If you don't recognize some of those organizations, this book is not for you. The authors offer little information on their purposes, beliefs or history.) An obscure reference to the Templars coming in contact with a "Johannite" sect during the Crusades convinced them that the medieval warrior-monks had pierced the heart of a great mystery, and they protected that knowledge as if it were the Holy Grail. Which, Picknett and Prince assert, it literally is. Forget all those stories about the chalice from the Last Supper and a secret "bloodline of Christ" (the premise of one of their source books, "The Holy Blood and the Holy Grail"). The authors believe the Grail is actually the knowledge of the true identity of Jesus.

Here's where things get more than a bit thorny. In trying to sort out what this great secret might have been, the authors rely heavily on non-canonical sources. They cite an alternative version of the "Gospel According to John," known as the Levitikon, and what are called the "Gnostic Gospels" which were unearthed in Egypt during the 1940s. While New Testament scholars consider these fourth-century documents to be an intriguing glimpse of the early Egyptian Coptic church, Picknett and Prince seize on them as more accurate accounts of the life of Jesus than those included in the Christian Bible.

From the "Gnostic Gospels," the authors conclude that Jesus was probably raised -- if not born -- in Egypt, and was an initiate of the cult of Isis and Osiris. They note the Talmud refers to him as an Egyptian magician -- proof enough for Picknett and Prince. They claim Jesus moved to Israel and attached himself to the cult growing up around John the Baptist. Needless to say, they consider John to be another adept of the Egyptian mystery schools. At some point, Jesus decides to strike out on his own. He takes Mary Magdalene as his "sacred wife" to play the ritual role of the goddess Isis to his incarnation of Osiris, an Egyptian diety who died and was resurrected every year. The New Testament, they claim, is based on the accounts of disciples who were on the outer fringes of the real "Jesus movement" and totally ignorant of the true nature of his ministry. The authors even suggest that Jesus may have had a hand in the death of the Baptist. They believe Jesus played on the messianic fervor then permeating Judea to attract converts, not to a new form of Judaism, but to an old form of it.

"The idea that Jesus was trying to reintroduce goddess worship to the people of Israel fits the case remarkably well. It is also precisely the idea ascribed to Jesus in the Levitikon, that key text of the Johannite movement. In it Jesus is an Osirian initiate who realizes that the original religion of Moses and the Tribes of Israel was that of Egypt and that the Jews had forgotten that there was also a goddess. Of course none of this adds up to definite proof..."

No kidding. Nothing in "The Templar Revelation" rises to anything like the level of "definite proof". Instead, its conclusions are based on the flimsiest of premises which are supported by the slimmest of indirect and circumstantial evidence or, just as often, by the assertion that the lack of evidence justifies
their conclusions.

In the end, Picknett and Prince propose that a murky conspiracy has been at work for nearly 2,000 years. Two conspiracies in fact: one, involving all denominations of the Christian faith and spearheaded by the Vatican, suppresses the truth while the other, stage-managed by the Priory of Sion, hides it.

Mark, the info in post 264 is interesting but I'm a little unclear about something. Who wrote this piece? Not the quotes from Picknett and Prince, but the person commenting on it? (It didn't seem like your writing style, so that's why I was curious). And, I'm also interested in the beliefs or motivations of the person commenting. Can you provide a context for that? Where is this coming from? Thanks.

Mark, take a look at these numbers, Re chess=moon=Goddess.

Chessboard is 8X8. Eight in geometry takes the shape of the octagon ("stop sign" shape). The octagon has 8 corners, each of 135 degrees. 8 X 135 = 1,080 degrees. This number 1,080 is significant because the moon's radius is 1,080 miles! Thus, there is a direct numerical link between the 8-fold geometry of the octagon and the moon.

Here's another incredible one. Whereas gold has always been associated with the sun, silver has always been connected to the moon, since ancient times. We now know that the atomic weight of silver (relative to carbon) is 107.87 or, essentially 108 -- one/tenth of the moon's radius of 1,080 miles. And, 1080 divided by 8 = 135, the degree angle of the octagon -- geometric symbol of 8 (are you enjoying this one, Jan?!).

Thus, more evidence that chessboard=moon=Goddess.

(Mark, the above info is from Michael Schneider's "A Beginner's Guide to Constructing the Universe: The Mathematical Archetypes of Nature, Art, and Science". It's an incredible tome of info on numerology and sacred geometry, the best I've seen yet).

Mark Borcherding - 03:22pm Feb 21, 1999 PST (#266 of 273)
dare to dream upon your own star

Philip the article I posted above in 264 is from a CNN journalist review. I did not edit it just posted the whole thing since had the Templar & Goddess connection.

135 degrees 1+3+5 = 9

1,080 miles = 1+0+8+0 = 9

"silver moon gold sun" = 81 (9 numerology)

Here is the 9 Numerology Table

1	2	3	4	5	6	7	8	9
A	B	C	D	E	F	G	H	I
J	K	L	M	N	O	P	Q	R
S	T	U	V	W	X	Y	Z

Mark, sounds like an interesting book. If you read Neville's The Magic Circle, you'll see a definite parallel. There are good reasons why the Gnostic Gospels and other Apocrypha were left out of the Christian Canon, but they are entertaining reading nonetheless. One must always consider the source and the agenda of the writer. At any rate, and I hope I don't step on anyone's toes here, the Church reintroduced the goddess when it elevated Mary from being the mother of Jesus to being the mother of God. So, assuming the authors of the book Mark posted about were correct in their hypothesis, the goddess element was reintroduced into Judeo/Christian philosophy, only not in quite the way envisioned. Phil, all those eights, thank you! I was reading up on ancient mythology this weekend and found Ma'at, the Egyptian goddess of truth and justice. My kind of gal! When the deceased goes into the underworld, his heart is weighed against the feather that Ma'at wears in her hair and if the heart weighs more than the feather it's curtains for certain.

P.S. The Shroud of Turin has been scientifically dated to, I believe, the 14th century. If it is an image of Michaelangelo, how did he do it, as I understand the process was very much like a photographic negative. "Secret knowledge" hidden by the "Secret Societies"? I'll bet the Big M played chess.

Jan, really. For a Canadian, casual use of the term Big "M" is heretical, as this referred to Frank Mahovlich, all-star left winger of the Montreal "Les Canadiens" hockey team of the mid-70s. :-)

Methinks it was the Big "L" (Leonardo) that Mark's CNN post was referring to. Always thought that Turin nose looked a little too Italian for Jesus.

Behold, yet another relationship between moon=chess:

The chessboard's perimeter is 28 squares. The moon's monthly cycle was referred to as 28 "mansions" or "nightly stations" by the ancients. According to Schneider, 28 is a "perfect number" in that it results from the sum of numbers one through seven (1+2+3+4+5+6+7), and is equal to the sum of its divisors (1+2+4+7+14). The traditional lunar month was four 7-day weeks (28 days), and the lunar year 13X28=364 days, the time needed for the moon to pass through the zodiac. And, the approximate 28 day cycle is linked to female physiology.

And Jan, get this (re your comment about the Church and Mary): The symbol of 8-fold geometry -- the Octagon -- was used in Christian fountains and baptistries involving the use of anointed water. The baptism involved a "descent" of the Holy Spirit, which, as we have seen, is Shakti, the Mother Goddess.

So, once again, Goddess=Octagon(8-fold geometry)=chessboard=moon.

Mea Culpa, Phil. I did not mean to be Canadian politically incorrect! And you're absolutely right, it's the Big L, not the Big - you know. We had discussed the 28 connections in earlier posts, before you joined the group. I don't recall, however, that 28 being a perfect number came up and the fact about the sum of the first 7 numbers being 28. Mark should find that interesting. Also interesting that the Holy Spirit is generally depicted as a dove. I have read that Rhea a/k/a Semeramis when she became deified was depicted as a dove, and many other goddesses that are the descendants/versions of Rhea also have the dove as one of their symbols. Perhaps this is connected to the movement I heard about a few years back to introduce (reintroduce) into the Christian Church the concept of Wisdom being feminine. You can well imagine how that went over. I don't know about the others, but I feel satisfied that we have definitely established a chess/goddess connection. Should we explore Neville's premise that encoded in the game itself are secrets of the ages?

The Octagon has 8 sides and it has "1" center thus 8&1 81 or 18 and these are numbers associated with the Goddess.

1+2+3+4+5+6+7 = 28

1+2+3+4+5+6+7+8 = 36

28 = number of squares on chess board outer edge. 36 = number of squares within the 28

28 + 36 = 64 the total number of chess board squares.

28 = 14 + 14 = 7+7+7+7

36 = 18 + 18 = 9+9+9+9

Woke up at 3:18 a.m. Every time I look at the clock now I immediately start associating numbers! I'm beginning to feel obsessive! Hmmm, I interpret this number to mean that I'm three times the goddess I was when I first started participating in this BBS (smile)! Or perhaps I have three times the love (3 x [3x6 = 18 = LOVE])! No one will hazard a guess as to why there aren't more women Grand Masters - not even from that former enemy thine, the USSR?

Jan, you're beginning to worry me. Perhaps some light exercise before sleep? (kidding).

Did you know that some Tibetan monks wake at 3am to perform a meditation called "nadabrahma"? Perhaps your last life was as a Tibetan monk.

There are some very strong women grandmasters (especially the Polgar sisters of Hungary), but it is true that the vast majority have been men. From the purely psychological perspective, this is probably because women are smarter! Chess is a game that in order to master requires incredible focus and obliviousness to the larger things in life. The greatest grandmasters were all pretty much obsessive, eccentric people who lived, breathed, ate, and slept chess.

Here's an example of exclusive focus and single mindedness: The deceased Argenitinian grandmaster Miguel Naijdorf holds the record for "blindfold play", 47 boards. That means that he sat in a chair, literally blindfolded, and played 47 players simultaneously. He had to memorize the positions, move by move, of all 47 games, as well as visualize, calculate, etc., without ever seeing any of the boards! Remarkably, he won most of the games, I forget the exact score but I think he only lost one or two.

Now, I ask you, is such a feat truly intelligence in the deepest sense of the word, or is it merely single-minded focus? And, extrapolating from this, are computers truly intelligent, or simply brute force calculators? Interesting questions, and ones that deserve consideration, especially in this time when computers are getting more and more power....

P. S. Never did believe that the Shroud of Turin was Jesus' burial shroud. The scriptures talk about Jesus' body being wrapped in bandages anyway... The point about the Shroud of Turin is that, fabulous fraud that it is, how was it done? Carbon 14 and, I believe, another type of radioactive dating other than Cabon 14, have pinpointed the linen cloth to midieval times. Secreted away "secret" technologies? Phil, why are all the Grand Masters men???

I have discovered an interesting relationship between the Goddess Nuit and the Goddess Shiva. One of the beliefs of the Egyptians was that Nuit swallows Ra at night and give birth to him in the morning, death and resurection. Shiva is the Goddess of creation and destruction, death and resurection. The Egyptians where closely bound to nature and its cycles, balance and harmony with nature was the fabric of their lives.

LOVE

G

May the Manna Always be with You.

Georgia, I think Shiva is a god, not a goddess. His female counterpart is known as Shakti, and her darker, fiercer aspects are known as Durga and Kali. A really good source for the Indian deities is "The Encyclopedic Dictionary of Yoga", by Georg Feuerstein. But you're right about Shiva being the deity of creation/destruction, similar to Nuit. There are some interesting parallels also between Shiva and Set, the latter being the nemesis of Osiris and Horus. Also, I found another interesting connection: the 7-spikes on the crown of the Statue of Liberty are the exact same as the 7 spikes on the crown of the Egyptian Goddess Seshat. The pictures comparing the two are on pg 265 of Schneider's sacred geometry book. (I'm almost starting to believe that EVERYTHING comes from Egypt).

Jan, I don't really know why all the grandmasters are men, though I attempted to give some sort of answer in post 273. This is perhaps a testy area to enter into, but I suspect that some of it has to do with the different conditioning given to boys and girls in childhood. Boys are steered more in the direction of competition, girls more in the direction of relationship. That's why girls seem to be better communicators, generally, and boys seem to be better at gamesmanship, again, very generally. (But, seeing as you've succeeded in a male-dominated field, that answer probably won't satisfy you!).:-)

I think the cultural prejudices strike both ways. It's often harder for women to succeed in competition-oriented arenas, as it is often harder for men to communicate openly and honestly. A lot of this may have its roots in the effects of the Industrial Revolution, but that's a whole other matter...

In Egyptian heiroglyphics they had certian symbols "determatives" that clarified meaning. The "Cobra" symbol meant related to the "Goddess". Here again we have the serpent or snake related to the Goddess. In alot of the indigeneous peoples they used the snake/serpent to represent feminine energy. The Mayans has serpents that represented "life force" and we have serpent mound in the united states. Interesting in Mayan cosmology the 5th glyph "Serpent" represents the planet Maldek (asteriod belt). What happened? Does this have a connection to our imbalances of male and female (god and goddess) energies?

The glyph that is paired with "Serpent" is the "Wizard" and it carries the power of timelessness. Thus perhaps the Mayan calendar and other indigeneous calendars were Wizard time healing tools to bring together the male and female energies into a harmonious balance.

More wierdness. My post 274 above was posted out of order. It should have followed my post 267. When it didn't show up I then posted 268 about the Shroud of Turin. The same thing happened to another post of mine over at the Civil Discourse site. Well, the gods are interesting. Phil, post 273, you naughty man! Light exercise, indeed! I don't believe in reincarnation but if I did I would not have been anyone as prosaic as a Tibetan monk; I'd have been Rasputin, or perhaps Maria Callas. Mark, I didn't realize the serpent was so closely connected with the feminine principle; I find that very interesting. Something very spooky happened to me last night/this morning. I woke up at 4:45 a.m., then again at 5:58 (1 hour and 13 minutes later), and then at my regular time. I always have the all news station on the radio while I'm getting ready for work and at 6:38 I heard about a plane crash in China where 64 people were killed. Right after that, during the weather, the local weatherman said he had gotten several calls early this morning from people who had seen, apparently, a very bright and large meteor streak across the sky. Now, look at the numbers. There's tons of 13's, 8's and 9's all over the place. And 64 people killed! Now I'm not freaking out, but doesn't this seem, I don't know, strange? That's probably too mild a term, but I don't know what else to call it. Phil, I think your analysis about why there aren't many female grand masters is accurate. Perhaps I will change professions and take up the challenge. Someone has to try and balance all the negative energy out...

Re all the numbers and associated meanings, you're touching on a whole interesting area, Jan. I've looked at this quite a bit over the years, and there seem to be two general schools of thought on it. One is a child of the "faith" of "scientific empiricism", the other of "transpersonal esotericism".

Briefly, this is what they seem to be saying: The "religion" of scientism does not subscribe to synchronicity, that is, any acausal link between two events. It proclaims that one must cause the other, and if not, there can be no meaningful relationship between the two. (This whole area is being rather cantankerously debated over at the Richard Hoagland site between Michael Bara and a pack of anti-Hoagland empiricists led by Dr. Ralph Greenberg). Thus, the followers of "scientism" (they would probably prefer the term "critical thinkers") see no meaningful relationship between all the numbers in Hoagland's "Hyperdimensional" physics re Cydonia and its Face and D&M pyramid, and dismiss as nonsense the prophecies that leap out of the Bible as unearthed through Michael Drosnin's "Bible Code" mathematics. In other words, they claim that numerical patterns that emerge are largely coincidences that we are noticing only because we are focussing our attention on them, and that this can be "proved" by simpy choosing to focus elsewhere, and lo! you will notice "meaningful coincidences".

In empirical psychology this is roughly paralled through the idea of simple projection. It takes this sort of form: "Set yourself the intention that for one week you are going to look for evidence that your neighbours are conspiring to commit you to a mental institution. Within one week, you shall have your evidence!" The idea is that the more we focus on something, the more we see it everywhere.

Then there is the school of thought of transpersonal psychology and esotericism, which is largely based on the Hermetic dictum "As above, so below", implying that a human is a microcosm of the universe. In other words, the forms of the outer universe -- stars, symbols, geometric forms, events of a synchronous nature -- all have inner parallels that have direct meaning for us. All we have to do is understand the language of these outer symbols, and develop the ability to observe and understand them within us, and we can create a bridge between our consciousness and the universe. The development of this "bridge" is, I believe, the development of intuition, a faculty critical to grasping the higher laws of the universe, and one that is often sorely lacking in the scientific empiricists.

Thus, from the transpersonal and esoteric angle, your seeing "meaningful numbers" everywhere does not necessarily imply any intrinsic meaning in the numbers themselves, but does suggest a personal, direct meaning for you, i.e. a kind of encoded message that the numbers are helping to activate. I think this is the same principle at work in all systems of divination, re astrology, Tarot, and probably chess as well.

Ref 278 & 279

Using some intuition and a little 9 numeroloy look at what we find:

"goddess intuition" = 78

"child's intuition" = 78

"feminine intuition" = 98

"god and goddess intuition" = 105

"human spirit intuition" = 108

"male female balanced intuition" = 111

Ther are some interesting number relations here:

78 is the sum of the tones on Mayan Pacal Votan's tomb the tones are part of the 13 Clear Signs.

105 is the difference between the 365 day year and the mayan tzolkin 365 - 260 = 105 and the 105 has a planet Venus relationship.

108 is the number of prayer beads.

111 is the Holy Trinity = 1 Father 1 Son 1 Holy Spirit -or- 1 Male 1 Child 1 Female

"May the heart of your Child-spirit radiate Joy"

As you all know, Jan and I have been playing Chess over the web. On our chess boards there are coordinates, letters going horizontally and and numbers vertically, just like the cartesian coordinate system. That made me think, in ancient times people sent letters and they had the Chess board and they were most likely playing games with it, so I figured that these ancient people played games sending moves to one another through letters so they most logically used the coordinate system we use today. Now, for the origin of the name cartesian. We have been told that the name originated from Rene' Descartes, I don't think so.He..HE.. Have you heard of the Goddess Car? Well, she is the Goddess Carthage was name after as was Carcassonne France, Cartagena Spain and many more, she was also the Goddess of the Sea People. I think it is time for Descates to get in line with Amerigo Vaspucci and Chris Columbus.

The origin of the word diameter comes from the Goddess Demeter.

The Knights move pattern is the proof for the Pythagorian Theorem, by the way Pythagoras studied in Egypt for many years.

Tonight the Queen Shah Maat's the King. Venus moves in front of Jupiter.

OX OX OX OX OX OX OX OX

LOVE

G

May Manna Always be with you.

"Georgia Isis" = 64 , no wonder you started a discussion about Chess with 64 squares on the board and relating to the Goddess. Lets look at the name "Isis" a little closer:

ISIS = I S-pirit I S-pirit

I Spirit = 9 37 (in 9 numerology) and notice there are 3 "I's"

9 = the number light and 37 is an atomic number of hydrogen the
first building block of matter. Thus we have Light & Matter that
become one.

ISIS = 9 37 9 37 = Light Matter : : Light Matter

Why two I Spirit ?

Spirit of the Goddess (Female) & Spirit of the God (Male)

Very cool, Mark IS + IS. Georgia, a squared plus b squared = c squared = knight's move. Didn't notice that before. In my chess instructional it calls the numbering system we're using "ranks and files". I wonder if that is where the term "rank and file" came from... Phil, as for the two "schools of thought", I think I'm somewhere in between. I reject "sciencism" because I have first hand experience with synchronicity and often rely on my intuition - it has saved my butt more than once; on the other hand, I am sceptical about total connections between "us" and "the rest of the universe". I forgot to post about a dream I had Tuesday night about playing chess. As I was waking up, I heard a masculine voice saying "You must not kill and be kind". Then I saw a baby food jar stuffed with money rolling around on the ground, and the money was singed around the edges and smoking, and the top of the jar had blown off. I knew this jar was the White King, and I had justed killed him. Then I saw myself, except I was a man, not a woman, and I smiled this enigmatic smile at myself (I was both the man and the watcher), and I woke up all the way. Go figure!

Jan, if you "offed" the white king, that would seem to make you the black queen. In India, the black queen is Black Kali, the fierce force that brings about "necessary change". Quite a dream, you could have a field day "gestalting" that one (okay, I'll stop now...)

My, after 37 posts, where do I begin. Ahhhh, Love. 18 = 81. Jan, Mark, it would be curious to take the times that Jan posted and work something with them.
I am interested Georgia and Jan with more of this on-line chess, not that I have time, being a family man all of a sudden. My, that Jupiter/Venus conjunction was powerful.
Phil, there is still something to that Bee thing. I wonder which chess piece would fit the "Bee" symbology, or could we get a hive out of the 64/81 squares.
Sunwolf

Ref 285 Ron several things popped into my head about the Bee thing:

1. Female bees do not reproduce the Queen has that duty

2. The honey comb is not square but hexagonal if I remember correctly

3. the word "honey" = 31 in 9 numerology and this is 13 mirrored

>or could we get a hive out of the 64/81 squares.

64 + 17 = 81

So we would be adding 17 squares to get the 81 square chessboard. We do not add 18 since the corner (rook) is counted twice on both the row and column. Interesting. Rook = Tower

Seems to me these 4 Rooks could symbolize the 4 Towers of the Mayan 13 tone wavespell with:

	Tone 5 2nd Tower North
Tone 9 3rd Tower West	Tone ? ? Tower Center	Tone 1 1st Tower East
	Tone 13 4th Tower South

Phil, perhaps I'm the Borg Queen - Queen of the Borg Collective (Hive) with all of those wonderful drones running around doing my bidding! (Recall my earlier post about the Borg Queen and Captain Janeway). Ron, I was wondering myself the other day about how many posts each of us has done and what the numbers might show. Georgia and I have finished one game and will begin another, probably on Monday. It's easy to do over e-mail because you only do one move every other day! Of course, once I get set up with my very own home computer, I'll probably be bugging Georgia all the time to play! Mark, found some corroborating information which I hope to post on Monday (no time today and didn't bring the book with me to the office) concerning what you found earlier on the Celtic/chess connection. This predates 500 CE and if it is accurate would definitely blow up the general supposition that chess originated only in India (around the same time). By the way Georgia, I like your alternate theory about the Descartes coordinates. "Des Car" - "from Car" - could very well mean from the Goddess Car. Didn't she originate in Northern Africa somewhere - where was Carthage anyway - modern day Algiera? Remember in The Eight, that's where our two heroines ended up!

Ron, since the "bee" flies, I would connect it with the Knight. Also, the Knight has been connected with the symbology of the Initiate (paralleling the Fellowship of the Bee [Sarmoung]), having a special power and being the only piece other than a pawn that can open a game by making the first move.

Here is what Schneider suggests about the pieces:

King: The Sun of our solar system. The Higher Self, the numinous, not connected to the World, hence the weakest piece on the battlefield.

Queen: Mother Goddess, Queen of the World, Genetrix of her natural Square realm (mother earth). Queen of the Heavens (the Moon), always reflecting the light of the Sun (King). Shakti, Queen of the manifest universe (hence the most powerful on the battlefield of the manifest universe).

Bishop: Dark squared bishop represents the force of intellect, light squared represents the path of heart. (The alchemical polarities).

Knight: The awakened spiritual initiate acting in the world, moving by leaps of intuition. The knight moves by alternating between light and dark, heart and logic.

Rook: They represent physical power (the Chariot, or Merkabah) to act in concert with the world's manifest and material structures. Second most powerful force on the board of the manifest universe.

Pawn: The 16 pawns represent ordinary men and women attempting to cross the board of life by navigating 7 stages of initiation, corresponding to rising up the 7 chakras. The pawn cannot move backwards, and thus is unaware of the higher forces (more powerful pieces) working behind it, much like an average person is unaware of the unseen spiritual forces that are effecting their destiny. At "death", the 8th rank (7th level of initiation for the pawn, corresponding to the 7th chakra, the crown that connects with spirit), the pawn is resurrected as a more powerful force, usually the mother Goddess.

ref 288 Philip those descriptions are cool... using 9 numerology here are those pieces:

"Queen" = 26 "King" = 23 "Rook" = 23 "Knight" = 33 "Bishop" = 33 "Pawn" = 18 "Chess" = 18

P	erfect
A	ngels of Earth
W	ith the power of
N	ever-ending Love

Interesting stuff, Mark. I was remembering playing chess a long time ago at the Cafe En Passent in Montreal (burnt down many years ago, alas), and I thought about the French words for the pieces. I was curious what you would see with them, here's the spelling:

English--French

King--Roi

Queen--Dame

Bishop--Fou

Knight--Cavalier

Rook--Tour

Pawn--Peon

Chess--Echecs

Then I got to thinking about the language roots of these pieces, which in itself would be a major research project. Well, here's a start, the Old English roots of the words according to my Etymology dictionary:

Modern English--Old English

King--Cyning

Queen--Cwen

Bishop--Biscop

Knight--Cniht

Rook--Rok

Pawn--Poun

Chess--Esches

Mark Borcherding - 09:07am Feb 28, 1999 MST (#291 of 297)
dare to dream upon your own star

ref 290 Philip here they are I will leave analysis and interpretation to all of you. See also next post that ties in color.  

	French		Old English
King	Roi	24	Cyning	36
Queen	Dame	14	Cwen	18
Bishop	Fou	15	Biscop	28
Knight	Cavalier	35	Cniht	27
Rook	Tour	20	Rok	17
Pawn	Peon	23	Poun	21
Chess	Echecs	25	Esches	23

Letter and Color Numerology

1	2	3	4	5	6	7	8	9
A	B	C	D	E	F	G	H	I
J	K	L	M	N	O	P	Q	R
S	T	U	V	W	X	Y	Z	*

Mark Borcherding
Recorded: February 27, 1999  10:01am
Dreamspell: Red Magnetic Serpent, kin 105
Quiche Maya: 2 Ix , kin 54

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Ref. #287

Jan, Carthage was located where Tunisia is today, if you get a map or globe you will notice it's central location within the Mediteranian. As I remember, Carthage was in the import export/bussiness, they exported fresh fruits and vegetables, wild animals, gold, etc. The Carthaginians were a formadable navel power and these ancient mariners used charts to sail the the seas and these charts used the cartician graphing system, similar to the logitude and latitude system we use today. Hannibal, the great general, was a Carthaginian. Archaeologists have been escavating the great harbor of Carthage and the old city for many years.

Mark, our weaving is blooming with color, Spring has come to the weaving, Thank you.

LOVE

G

May Manna Always be with You.

Mark, re post 291, what jumped out at me right away are the particularly close connections between the Old English word values and the numbers associated with chess. Query, who was the general who invaded Italy by coming over the Alps Mountains on elephants? Was that Hannibal? I will connect this to chess on a later post, no time today.

Hannibal was the one, Jan. He was a Carthaginian, and the feat you're referring to took place sometime around 200 BCE. Amazing what was done in those days, having to rely on wits and sheer effort without the technos. Do you think they were environmentally responsible and cleaned up their Elephant's droppings?

Nah, Phil, they wouldn't have had to clean up after the elephants. The turds are biodegradeable! Or perhaps, like out in the West in the good ol' days, they dried up the 'phant chips and used them for fuel (or smoked them)! How on earth, though, did he get the elephants to Europe in the first place, float 'em across the Mediterranean on barges? You know, in one of the chess histories I read Murray's premise for believing that Chess was "invented" in India was because they used elephants in their army, and in fact, the piece we call the Bishop was originally an elephant. The premise is that when the game spread to Persia, the Persians, never having seen an elephant, didn't know what to make of the piece, and so they called it something else. But if elephants were used to invade Italy in 200 BCE, around 700 years before Murray credits the invention of chess to the Indians, just think of the intriguing possibilities. Also, none of the chess historians has been able to satisfactorily explain why the Russian players from the central steppes still retain the use of an elephant in their game (along with "slon", which is a boat -- more about that later). According to generally accepted theory, the game didn't spread to Russia through the Caucasus Mountains, but went through another mountain range of the Indian sub-continent, via north and west. I think differently. More about that later.

Good point about the elephants. Since Hannibal invaded Italy from the west, from Spain, it would seem that those elephants must have indeed been floated across the Mediterranean from Africa. This could explain the Persians ignorance re elephants, since India lay to their east and Africa/Spain to their far west.

You're right about the biodegradable. The Tibetans burn Yak turds as their primary fuel. Perhaps we could start a separate Wild Card discussion on scatology?

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Ilumani, good work. When our book is published, you should get a special acknowledgment for saving all those posts about the significant and symbology of turds. I personally felt a great loss, almost like I had done a health-food store cleanser. Seriously, it just shows how fragile this form of communication is, and how dependent on nouveau technology we can become. Fortunately, my etymology dictionary was not wiped out with the server crash.

V, you are a Goddess! I, for one, would love to have a record of those particular posts. I was quite attached to them, some of my best work! Phil, synchronicity has been at it full force today. This morning on my way to the office I saw an advertisement for the latest movie at the IMAX Theatre on - TA DA! - ELEPHANTS! On the way home on the bus tonight I was reading the lastest issue of Newsweek and guess what I came across - TA DA AGAIN!! - an advertisement for a t.v. special about the intricate social lives of African elephants. Mark, you must get hold of The Magic Circle by K. Neville (mentioned by us in prior posts). Hitler plays a recurring role in book, along with his fascination with the so-called occult. Here is the stuff I mentioned previously as a back-up to your prior info on the Celts and chess. This is from "An Illustrated Encyclopedia of Mythology", Ch. 15 "The Celts" by Emrys Evans, "Reader in Celtic Studies, University of Manchester", examining the Irish Sagas:

"The main tale of the Mythological Cycle is 'The Battle of Moytura', which tells how the Tuatha De Danann, or People of the Goddess Danu, overcame their enemies the Formoiri by means of their superior magical skills. In the elaborate build up to the battle scene itself, in which the opposing leaders observe the etiquette of the early heroic tradition by facing each other in single combat, we meet the chief figures of the Irish 'pantheon'. As each in his turn makes, or promises, his contribution to the forthcoming battle, we obtain some insight into the original divine function of the character speaking.

"The mythological character of the tale is beyond doubt [oh yeah?] though the question of interpretation remains open. Some authorities see the battle as representing the age-old conflict between the powers of light, the Tuatha De Danann [sound like anybody we all know???], and the powers of darkness, the Formoiri. ..."

The early portion of this quote sounds like chess to me - each piece coming forward and "speaking" about its owns particular powers and role in the "battle"; the latter portion sounds a lot like "stalemate".

I won't go on ad infinitum; the T.D.D. have a heretofore unknown champion, a warrior by the name of LUG SAMILDANACH! He is the son of a "mixed marriage" beween the "dark and light". Prior to the battle climax, he approaches the fortress castle where the T.D.D. king is, and asks for entrance. After going through a series of questions and answers, and not gaining access, the king tells the doorkeeper to take the chessboards of Tara out to Lug, to see if Lug has the skills of a king, for only a king could enter Tara. The Samildanach won all the games, and was allowed entry by the king, where he was granted a seat reserved for the sage, "for he was a sage in all the skills". Cool, hey?

This dates to pre-500 C.E. when Ireland became a "christianized" nation.

Jan, in the info that I posted last month about the Celtic chess connection through the Mabinogion (Welsh bardic tales), they mentioned that the Celtic board game "Gwyddbwyll" was derived from an older Irish game that was very similar to chess but slightly different. As the Mabinogion dated from about 1100 CE, "older" would seem to fit with the "pre-500 CE" era you mention. In the Mabinogion the connection between chess and the Goddess is spelled out in a strikingly explicit manner. It is referred to as the "game of the Empress and the black maiden".

As per Borcherding(#293).....the Swastika is a symbol for the elephant god Ganesh (and therefore Republican's too, huh?!?), and the Bishop is an elephant. Now I know what that little slot is for on the Bishop's crown....it's there to hold a Swastika.....changing its aspect depending on which side you're on.

Phil, I'm sorry. I thought it was Mark who had posted about the Celts. So, there's a numerical identity between the Goddess Kali and Ganesha (28). The first thing that struck me when I read that over was "they must have had an affair". The Queen and the Bishop, hmmmm..... If the Queen is black and the Bishop is white, we have the parents of Lug! Welcome home, Paul. Didn't think about the connection of the Republicans with Ganesha, that's a good one!

The swastika is an ancient Hindu symbol (about 3000 years old) that means "ultimate power" or "the sun" (thus connecting to Solar gods like Ra). The symbol was adopted by Buddhism in later years, and was sometimes seen on the Buddha's chest in sculptures of him, and in Tibetan tangkas (iconographic paintings). There is a legend that Hitler corrupted the energy of the swastika by turning it in the opposite direction, but actually in goes both ways in the Eastern spiritual schools. Hitler had "studied" some Eastern teachings and simply lifted the symbol from there. Incidentally, the swastika symbol can also be found in Hopi Indian symbolisms as well, and in China too.

Ref.# 295

The Goddess Danu, could this be the origin of the Danube River, which flows through Europe?

Jan, I saw the IMAX movie about the elephants it was OK. I did learn, from watching the movie, that elepants are a matriarchal social group. mmmmmmm Baboons are a matriarchal social group as are the Bongo Bongo Chimpanzees, our closest genetic relatives. Is the natural social order for homo sapiens matriarchal?

Manna for thought.

LOVE

G

May Manna Always Be With You.

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