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The Weave Posts 401- 450
Jan Newton - 09:50am Mar 24, 1999 MST (#401 of 416)
Any ideas where the following coordinates are:
Longitude/Latitude: 151/ 28 151/ 50 151/ 19
Sorry, don't know which directions (NSEW) associated with above numbers.
Phil, what I-Ching hexagrams are overlaid on the tops (points?) of the three pyramids?
Philip Mistlberger - 04:29pm Mar 24, 1999 MST (#402 of 416)Mark, your info is very rich, I'll respond later when I have more time.
Jan, a very "pointed" question (ha ha). The Great Pyramid apex point touches on all four hexagrams associated with it mentioned above. However -- interesting -- the 2nd Pyramid's apex falls only within hexagram 23, PO (Disintegration). This is very interesting because according to John West many people who sit in the 2nd Pyramid feel strange. To quote him from "The Traveller's Guide to Ancient Egypt" (THE best one on Egypt, by the way), "The atmosphere in the 2nd Pyramid is quite different from the Great Pyramid. Many people who visit it do not feel comfortable here, but no one to date can say why this should be". I lay in the 2nd Pyramid sarcophagus as well, and I can vouch for the difference. I didn't feel "uncomfortable", but the energy seemed almost "sad" and "heavy" somehow. Very mysterious.
The 3rd Pyramid straddles exactly the 2 hexagrams associated with it indicated in my above post.
The 2nd Pyramid, Isis, the Goddess archetype, HO, Disintegration, sad, heavy. Hmmmm. It wouldn't be difficult to connect that one, when we look at what has happened to the Goddess archetype over the millennia....
Jan Newton - 05:46pm Mar 24, 1999 MST (#403 of 416)Thank you, Phil. I will recalibrate.
Georgia Albert - 07:39pm Mar 25, 1999 MST (#404 of 416)Biology Quiz,
What came first, the hen or the egg?
I am leading up to something.
LOVE
G
May Manna Always be with You.
Mark Borcherding - 07:12am Mar 26, 1999 MST (#405 of 416)
dare to dream upon your own starref 404 Georgia of course I choose to consult numbers to try to answer your question:
hen = (8+5+5) = 18
egg = (5+7+7) = 1918 + 19 = 35 = 8
Recall "love" = 18 and 18 + 1 = Egg
What is the 1? ... one-self?
god = (7+6+4) = 17
hen = (8+5+5) = 18 "love"
egg = (5+7+7) = 19god+self = love
love+self = egg
The Goddess of Love is a Mother Hen warming us with Love
Jan Newton - 10:16am Mar 26, 1999 MST (#406 of 416)Well, G, it's like this, see: the hen came first, and I'll knock the block off anyone who says different, see?
Jan Newton - 11:09am Mar 26, 1999 MST (#407 of 416)I have recalibrated my coordinates based on info from Phil's post 402. I knew there was something wrong with the number from the second pyramid as I had calculated it the first time, but now I think it's right. They are: 151/28; 151/23; and 151/19. I am trying to figure out how to read a world map with longitude and latitude to find these spots. I believe they will mark a line somewhere in the Pacific Ocean.
Mark Borcherding - 11:37am Mar 26, 1999 MST (#408 of 416)
dare to dream upon your own starRef 407 Jan hope this helps you out seems to cover most of your coordinates:
Hawaiian Islands:
140 - 164 degrees Longitude
11 - 25 degrees Latitude
"Hawaiian Islands" = 63 , 63+1=64 (chess?)
Jan Newton - 07:45pm Mar 26, 1999 MST (#409 of 416)Eureka! I've found them. To be precise, four sets of coordinates. Many thanks to an e-mailer who wishes to remain anonymous who walked me through the steps, e-mail by e-mail, of how to read longitude and latitude properly. I was working off an old National Geographic Map of the World, circa 1981. Starting off the west coast of California where Mark pointed me, I found:
151W 28N: Out in the middle of nowhere, basically; closet land is the Hawaiian Islands to the southwest
151W 23N: Approximately the Tropic of Cancer, closer to the Hawaiian Islands, but they are still to the southwest
151W 19N: Still in the ocean, but offcoast a few hundred miles, more or less, to the southeast of Hilo, Hawaii
151W 19S: Society Islands (part of French Polynesia?), possibly the island of Bora Bora
151W 23S: Approximately the Tropic of Capricorn. Right in the middle of the Tubuai Islands (a/k/a Austral Islands), possibly Rimatara to the west or Rurutu to the east.
151W 28S: Once again out in the middle of nowhere. closest land is Rapa and Marotiri (Iles de Bass) to the east.
151E 28N: North Pacific Ocean, to the east of the Izu Trench off the east coast of Japan.
151E 23N: Approximately the Tropic of Cancer, between an island called Minami Torishima to the east and the Bonin Trench off the coast of Japan to the west.
151E 19N: In the ocean, to the east of the Northern Mariana Islands.
151E 19S: In the Coral Sea Islands Territory to the east of the Great Barrier Reef off the coast of Australia.
151E 23S: Approximately Tropic of Cancer. Somwhere between Rockhampton and Mount Morgan to the west and the Great Barrier Reef to the East.
151E 28S: Somewhere between Brisbane, Australia to the east and Goondiwindi to the West.
I think I have found at least part of the outline of Lemuria. No coincidence, I suppose, since Mark and I have recently been tossing Lemuria around here and elsewhere!
Could it possibly be, that the three great Giza pyramids are connected to Lemuria? I got these coordinates by juggling around the values of the I-Ching hexagrams Phil talked about previously, adding the values up for each pyramid and then reducing in nine numerology. I came up with 1 - 5 - 1; then I added up the values of the hexagrams where Phil said the "points" were centered for each pyramid and came up with 28 - 23- 19 (from largest to smallest of the three pyramids). Hence, my coordinates.
Jan Newton - 09:06pm Mar 26, 1999 MST (#410 of 416)Mark, you are the resident expert on the Mayans and their number system. I fould a site tonight that stated that in 1 AD the Mayans "discovered the mathematical value for naught, nothing, or absence of value, a 0." Is this true? I thought man knew about 0 long before this?
FYI: Played another round against my ChessMaster tutor tonight. I was the computer in the endgame of Deep Blue v. Gary Kasparov, first game. I played better as the "computer" than I ever did before in any of the prior scenarios, and got checkmate with a lot less headache and hassle! Hmmmmm....
Mark Borcherding - 09:52pm Mar 26, 1999 MST (#411 of 416)
dare to dream upon your own starRef 410 Jan ... yes the Mayans did know about zero however we do not know
who else knew and when. I have read Europe did not know about it until around
year 450AD+. However, what is really important is the Mayans understood what
Zero meant. For without Zero you cannot change the scale of something with out
changing basic harmonics or ratio for example in number:
1 1,000 1 = 1 1+0+0+0 = 1 But the Mayans also understood decimals and more importantly infinitely repeating
patterns. This is the pattern of light. Look what happens when you divide by 9.
1 / 9 = 0.111111111... 2 / 9 = 0.222222222... 3 / 9 = 0.333333333... 4 / 9 = 0.444444444... 5 / 9 = 0.555555555... 6 / 9 = 0.666666666... 7 / 9 = 0.777777777... 8 / 9 = 0.888888888... 9 / 9 = 0.999999999... They have not quite figured out why the Mayan's had such a fascination with 9
There is a simple answer from the Central sun Alcyone our sun is the 8th star
and there is 1 more level to get from Alcyone to the Galactic Core thus 1+8 =9
levels from the Core to Earth's Sun.
16 / 9 = 1.777777777... 1 x 9 + 7 = 16 64 / 9 = 7.111111111... 7 x 9 + 1 = 64
Paul Bilyeu - 11:42pm Mar 26, 1999 MST (#412 of 416)
<^> <^> <^>Why Tokay_____Y2K_____White OK<^> <^> <^>Jan...........The nun(13) in catholic school told me that the arabs had discovered the "0" during the time of their scientific renaissance. Long before the europeans "re-discovered" science, the arabs were the worlds top astronomers, mathemeticians, (al)-chemists.........
Jan Newton - 05:55am Mar 27, 1999 MST (#413 of 416)How do you do that, Mark, with the numbers? 1 - 9 - 7, and 7 - 9 - 1, and come up with chess numbers! Amazing. I printed out a sheet from the website where I found the statement about the Mayans and zero. It's at http://home/echo-on.net/~smithda/zero.html. The site also says "what the discovery shows is that the Mayans possessed the cognitive ability to wrap their minds around such an abstract concept: how can the absence of vlaue be given a value and used in mathematics. Anyone who has taken high school mathematics and has studied polynomial equations [editorial groan here], absolute value, and functions and relations know that 0 can serve as a boundary or parameter in many computations. Since 0 is not positive or negative it makes a natural starting point or origin for scales and coordinate axes. For the Mayans, who used curvilinear geometry amongst other methods, the value of 0 is not only invaluable in computations, but serves as a place holder for writing any number that is a multiple of 5". Mark, I have no idea what the last part of that sentence means, about 0 serving as a place holder re multiples of 5. Sir Paul, greetings. I too thought that the concept of 0 came from the Arabs who (I may be wrong about this) got it from the Persians, who, I have read, developed the concept of multiplication tables from the game of chess! Could one create multiplication tables without having the concept of 0?
Mark Borcherding - 07:59am Mar 27, 1999 MST (#414 of 416)
dare to dream upon your own starRef 413 Jan
16 / 9 = 1.777777777... 1 x 9 + 7 = 16 64 / 9 = 7.111111111... 7 x 9 + 1 = 64 In the third column we take the first digit left of the decimal
that is non-repeating and multiply it by 9 then add whatever
the repeating digit is. 7.11111111... thus creates:(7 x 9) + 1 = 64
7 + 1 = 8
Jan Newton - 03:51pm Mar 27, 1999 MST (#415 of 416)Oh my goodness, I never even saw that before. Every number across the board in those two fractions add up to a whole string of 8s (8.8888888....)!!!
Alice Haney - 05:08pm Mar 27, 1999 MST (#416 of 416)The circle represents the Godhead, all that was, is and ever shall be; spirit, the I Am; love because it encompasses, enfolds and contains; balance, because however you turn it, it maintains its shape; and justice, because it is in a state of perfect balance. A circle contains three hundred sixty degrees. 3 + 6 + 0 = 9. 9 is the highest and final digit in the series of single digits; when multiplied by another number, the result always reduces again to 9 (2 x 9= 18/9, 3 x 9 = 27/9, 4 x 9 = 36/9 and so on). A circle has no beginning and no end; it is infinite and endless. The Lord said, "I am the Alpha and the Omega" (Revelations 1:11), the beginning and the end.
The circle symbolizes eternity and immortality of the soul. This is seen through the laws of nature and cyclicity. Planets revolve around the sun in a circular pattern; nature repeats itself in cycles; and if we travel far enough out in space, we arrive at the same point from which we started ( so scientists claim). The God energy is elliptical or round. It goes on and on, never ending. The ancients said, "God is a spherical intelligence whose center is everywhere and whose circumference is nowhere."
This is from "Numerology and The Divine Triangle" by Faith Javane and Dusty Bunker.
Mark Borcherding - 07:36pm Mar 27, 1999 MST (#417 of 447)
dare to dream upon your own starJan I figured you would get a blast from all those 8's :)
The Mayans used a 13 tone system and thus the 7 was the center tone.
1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 If the center tone was a 9 then we would have a 17 tone system.
The alpha + omega tones would then give us 1 + 17 = 18
Note 18 is associated with the Goddess as is the mirror 81
"Venus" = 18 , "Love" = 18 , "God" = 17 and thus we could write:1 + 17 = 18
S e l f + G o d = L o v e
Jan Newton - 10:24pm Mar 27, 1999 MST (#418 of 447)Alice, I think you pointed out before that the "8" is simply a double circle, and therefore doubly never-ending. Mark, you sly one, all those 8's, indeed!
Here are some legends I've been trying to find parallels to in other cultures, so far with very little luck (though I haven't had much time to search in depth). They have to do with the supposed origin of Chess in India:
(1) A king was killed in battle and the problem was how to break the news gently to his mother. A learned Hindu thereupon invented chess; and when the queen-mother learned how to play, the sage got the game into a position where she said "Check-mate", which meant, says the legend, "the King is dead" (It doesn't mean that at all, of course); and when she herself said it, the sage could explain "Ah, yes, that is just what we have been trying to tell your majesty".
(2) Chess was invented solely as a diversion to alleviate the sorrow of a Hindu queen, mourning the death of her royal son.
(3) Two royal princes of India engaged inc civil war, and one was killed in lawful battle. Their mother was understandably annoyed at the successful son and would not accept his explanation that it was an inevitable battle casualty, not a planned murder. The surviving prince had an adviser who then invented chess to demonstrate to the queen-mother how the unfortunate son was ambushed and destroyed according to the rules of war.
All three of these tales have something in common: a queen, a death, an attempt to explain the death away (there may even be more parallels that I'm not seeing). Where else have these elements shown up in myths or legends?
Paul Bilyeu - 01:18am Mar 28, 1999 MST (#419 of 447)
<^> <^> <^> <^> TEOTWAWKI 2000 <^> <^> <^> <^>I always thought the lemniscate was the same as a Moebius loop. Tarot symbolism points this out in the Magician. As Above/So Below.......The Two Are One.
Jan Newton - 05:56am Mar 28, 1999 MST (#420 of 447)Lemniscate! I had to look that one up in the dictionary, Sir Paul! Couldn't find Moebius loop at all. Since you're so good with vocabulary (indicates an active searching mind), why don't you try your hand at tracking down some parallel legends to those I cited above. I'll send you some homemade chocolate chip cookies if you can come up with something.
Mark Borcherding - 07:51am Mar 28, 1999 MST (#421 of 447)
dare to dream upon your own starSpeaking of Tarot I was reading just now about card 5 "The Hierophant" and this card seems to relate to alot of things we have discussed. I am using the Aleister Crowley Thoth deck for this:
1. Card has "elephants" surrounding the Heirophant's throne and even the word Heiro"phant" is part ele"phant".
2. Around him are also 4 Cherubs symbolic of the 4 Rooks in Chess.
3. In the center is a Male child and a pentagram symbolizing the "New Aeon" or "Age of Horus" replacing the dying God of the last 2000 years.
4. The background of the card is the blue starfeild of the night sky Goddess Nuit.
5. There are 3 interlocked rings on the card symbolizing Isis (green ring) , Osiris (pale yellow ring), and Horus (scarlet ring).
6. The card related to the letter "Vau" whicj means "nail" and there are 9 nails on the card.
7. The is a hexogram representing the macrocosm and recall the pentagram representg the microcosm. Like our 8 or infinity sign has two loops. 6+5=11 and in the mayans the 11th glyph is Monkey "Chuen" who carries the power of Magic. The 6th and 5th mayan glyphs are Cimi (6) and Chiccan (5) and they symbolize Death and Life.
8. The number of this card is V (five) symbolizing the fifth position of the directions ... the center.
9. The Heirophant operates in 2000 year cycles ... 2000AD
Alice Haney - 09:42am Mar 28, 1999 MST (#422 of 447)Interesting Mark (post #421) My book says this about key 5 The Heirophant:
Key 5 The Hierophant. The Hierophant represents our inner teacher, our inner hearing, our intuition. Sages have always said that release from all limitation comes to those who awaken their inner awareness. True inner hearing does not involve spirits, clairvoyance and visions from the astral plane. Rather, true intuition is based upon the number 4 and key 4, the Emperor. When the conscious mind gathers all the facts and feeds them into the subconscious mind, the subconscious acts upon this information and, in a flash of intuition, sends the correct analysis back to the conscious mind. This is true intuition, based upon reason.
The Hierophant's crown is triple: the row of five trefoils represents the five senses; the row of seven trefoils symbolizes the seven centers in the body and the seven original planets; the row of three trefoils stands for the three states of consciousness- the super-conscious, the subconscious and the conscious. His staff has the same symbolic meaning as the knob on top: both indicate the Source, God. The ornaments attached to his crown fall just behind his ears to emphasize hearing. The crown and staff represent the four worlds- archetypal (knob), creative, formative and material.
The pale gray background represents wisdom because gray is a mixture of equal parts of black and white. Thus gray stands for perfect balance which is the practical aspect of wisdom.
At the Hierophant's feet, the crossed keys symbolize the super-conscious, which is the key to heaven, and the subconscious, which is the key to earth (or hell if one makes it so). The robes of the two kneeling priests represent desire (roses) and purified desire (lilies), both of which must be sublimated to the conscious mind.
This card contains ten crosses representing the spiritual numbers 1 to 10, the ten aspects of the Tree of Life and the ten trees in the Empress's garden.
Jan Newton - 12:20pm Mar 28, 1999 MST (#423 of 447)Wow, Mark and Alice! Great info. I have tried to "merge" the info from the two different Tarot cards of Hierophant together and come up with this - very cursory:
1: Male Child (New Aeon); ties the future to the present, which is tied to the past. We have speculated about The Game being a survivor of some great cataclysm which resulted in the death of a prior age and the birth of a new one. Many believe that we are on the verge of yet another paradigm shift.
2: Kneeling Priests - represent desire (roses - those have shown up at this site in the past in the form of "The Black Rose", traced connections in the Bible, modern-day politics (the Whitehouse) and the Knights Templar; and purified desire - lilies - same connections traced as with The Black Rose.
3: Rings; Trefoil Crown (trinity, which we have talked about on numerous occasions related to the various trinities of gods and goddesses and their offspring).
4: Cherubs (rooks); also possibly related to the key to heaven from Alice's card.
5: The number of each card; the number of senses; The Center.
6: ???
7: Centers of the body and the # of original planets. Also subjects touched upon in our discussion.
8: ??? (perhaps this is a given).
9: Vau (nails) - we have touched upon these in past conversations about the Nazis and the Swastika also, perhaps, in our conversations related to certain Celtic myths.
10: Crosses, representing the tree of life, or the trees in the garden of the empress. We have talked extensively about the connection of The Game and China (empress), and speculated upon the greater meaning of The Game (meaning of life).
I also noted in Mark's post under item 7 the hexagram, which relates back to Phil M.'s use of the I-Ching hexagrams superimposed over the Giza Plateau, from which I extrapolated a connection to Lemuria.
Lots to talk about here.
Paul Bilyeu - 02:49am Mar 29, 1999 MST (#424 of 447)
<^> <^> <^> <^> TEOTWAWKI 2000 <^> <^> <^> <^>Hierophant symbolism historically revolves around Initiation into "The Mysteries". The symbolism of the mask, as well as the "grading" implicant in the "secret hand sign" shows that whatever is "revealed " to the "neophyte" (not yet an "initiate"), as much or more is kept hidden. The two supplicants at the feet of The Master borrow symbolically, somewhat, from the story of Solomon and the two women laying claim to the same child. And so the element of separating truth from falsehood, in opening the "door" to the worthy as well as barring the door to the wolf is a "key" attribute of the Hierophant. Exalted, a Teacher......Degraded, a Trixter.
The Hierophant was a favorite character of Crowley's. The endless parade of celebrity and sorrow groveling at the hooves of The Great Beast, 666 gave Crowley much amusement in tormenting them with "unsolvable" conundrums like " the unicursal hexagram", in which the poor wretch's own system of taboo and blindfolded intellect would keep the hapless victim busy for hours, like those pesky japanese handcuffs, trying to arrive at the "correct" answer. The "trial", the "ordeal", "running the gauntlet".......the Road to Initiation.
Liber Legis: "I Am The Warrior Lord of The Forties.........The Eighties Cower Before Me and Are Abased !"
Comedy/Tragedy Reveals:: search//Eleusis/Eleusinian Mysteries. IOEOEVOEO
Mark Borcherding - 06:39am Mar 29, 1999 MST (#425 of 447)
dare to dream upon your own star"Hierophant" = 60
In Mayan glyphs this would be 3 Ahua glyphs 20 + 20 + 20 = 60 and Ahau is the symbol of the Sun. Hmmmmm... a trinity of suns. Recall in Revelations it mentions "Holy, holy, holy" 3 times and the first one is different capitolized the other two are lower case. It also states in Revelations that when Christ appears again it will be in the sky in the clouds. The very last word in the Holy Bible is "A-Men". Men is the mayan 15th glyph and carries the power of vision and A = 1st letter of alphabet thus "A-Men" = "1 Vision".
1 + 15 = 16 = 1+6 = 7
"Jesus Christ" = 43 = 4+3 = 7 , and in the painting "The Last Supper" you find Christ in the 7th position between 12 desciples. The mayan calendar has 13 tones with the 7th being the resonant tone in the center.
Back to 1+15= 16 = 8+8 , and the mayan 8th glyph is the yellow Star "Lamat" symbolizing beauty, art elegance and it is one of the glyphs of the planet Venus. (Goddess)
A-Men = 1+15=16 also is the number of pieces of a player in Chess. 1 King + 15 others -or- 1 Queen + 15 others. Perhaps the white pieces are ruled by the King and the black pieces are ruled by the Queen. "Black Madonna"
Perfect balance = (Male,white,radiate,yang) + (Female,black,accept,yin)
Alice Haney - 09:44am Mar 29, 1999 MST (#426 of 447)I will add my 2 cents before I go, here are the Tarot Symbolisms for Number 60 and also Number 16, to help add to this topic.
For Number 60: Tarot Symbolism: Six of Swords. The man, woman and child represent the trinity in consciousness. They are moving to another shore. The water of the subconscious supports them. The man has no difficulty steering the boat because the water is calm. The swords are arranged in a line to act as a shield. The points are down, indicating that the work has been done. There is harmony within the minds and they are all moving in the same direction under the guidance of the conscious mind (man).
For Number 16: Tarot Symbolism: Key 16 The Tower. Mars rules this card in which the keyword is awakening. This comes as a clear flash of understanding, a bolt from the blue bringing awareness of the true nature of the self. What inspires fear in the mind of the ignorant liberates the enlightened, just as electricity frightens the primitive by is used constructively by the knowledgeable. A flash of lightening is another symbol of the electrical serpent force, or the kundalini, the Mars force in the body. The Tower, also called the Lightning-struck Tower, is the house of God, or the human body. It was also referred to as the Tower of Babel (Babble means confusion of understanding). Lightning strikes the crown of the head or place of understanding and knocks the man and woman out of the tower. This analogy depicts erroneous ideas being knocked out of the two parts of mind, conscious and subconscious, by the lightning of true understanding. The twenty-two yods or tongues of flame represent the twenty-two letters in this alphabet. These tongues of flame also refer to key 9, where the one yod is the hermit, representing the response to primal will. When we respond to the primal will, we receive a flash of illumination which bears a message that awakens us to our true source.
I personally don't believe Jesus'last name was Christ. I believe that is a ranking, in the Mysteries, such as Neophyte, Adept, Master, and Christ Consciousness. The max in my estimation. I believe Jesus actual name was Emmanuel Ben Joseph.
Mark Borcherding - 10:32am Mar 29, 1999 MST (#427 of 447)
dare to dream upon your own starRef 426 :: Alice ... great additions with tarot they seem to fit very well.
"Jesus Christ" = 43 = 4+3 = 7
"Emmanuel Ben Joseph" = 70 = 7+0 = 7 (we still have our 7)
Regarding the 22 yods look what happens when we write the number 22 in mayan math symbology:
We have our trinity again. The top dot is a 20 - symbolizing Ahau - Sun and the bottom 2
dots represent Ik "Wind" power of Spirit composed of two parts. 1+1=2 and 1 in Mayan
cosmology is the glyph Imix "Dragon" power of Birth.22 = 11+11 and the 11 is symbolic of adding the orbits of the pairs of planets in our solar
system. If you think of "inhale" and "exhale" then the orbit pairs inhale & exhale sum to 22. For example: (remember asteroid belt counts as planet)Orbit to the Sun <- inhale Uranus 3 + Earth 8 = 11
Orbit from Sun -> exhale Earth 3 + Uranus 8 = 11
Recall Ik "Wind" from above? It so happens that glyph is associated with the planet Uranus in mayan cosmology. We find these orbits 3 & 8 also in the Alcyone star spiral as the 3rd star in that central sun orbit is "Maya" and the 8th star is our Sun "Kinich Ahau" also known as Velatropa 24 by Arcturian star index and thus Earth is velatropa 24.3
42 + 22 = 64
Notice that 42 is the mirror of 24 "velatropa 24" and symbolizes the relationship between Earth and Arcturus (Bootes constaellation) see recent news on Gamma burst on Jan 23, 1999. The mayan symbol "Lamat" Yellow Star glyph #8 is known as "The Sheild of Arcturus" and it also relates to the planet Venus. The other mayan glyph relating to Venus is Chuen "Monkey" and it is you guessed it glyph number 11.
Mark Borcherding - 10:44am Mar 29, 1999 MST (#428 of 447)
dare to dream upon your own starRef 427 my last post ... I forgot
Remember the 7
The 7th Mayan glyph Manik "Hand" relates to the planet Earth and carries the power of Accomplishment. Here are some number harmonics of Earth:
Notice the word Earth and hEart contain exactly the same letters. Earth rhymes with Birth.
"Earth" = 25 = 2+5 = 7
"Uranus" = 22 = 11+11
11 + 7 = 18 = "Love"
Jan Newton - 11:23am Mar 29, 1999 MST (#429 of 447)These posts are coming so hot and heavy I haven't had time to sit down and digest them. Maybe tonight on the ride home from the office. Alice, re your post 422, when it was describing "true intuition", the hairs on the back of my neck stood right up! That is exactly, EXACTLY how I used to write papers in college, and still do legal briefs the same way. Dig up, read and digest all the facts. Let things stew for hours, or perhaps, days, while I go about my business. Then POW! When I get real antsy, then I know it's time to sit down and WRITE! This method has never failed me! Of course, when I've told other people about this, they think I'm absolutely nuts. "Stewing?" "Yeah, but I'm the one who got the A (or, now, won the case), right?"
Sir Paul, I think you've been hitting the books too hard. You must try to get to bed at a more reasonable hour. So says Sister Mary Elephant. By the by, one of the alternative meanings of "liber" is "bast" (strong wood like fibers used to make rope, etc.); but Bast (Bastet) is also a feline-headed goddess that I mentioned eons ago in post 346. Lex est norma rect, though Xena might feel differently about that.
Liber Legis: "I am Xena. Kiss my foot or die." puuuurrrrrrrr.......
Jan Newton - 06:10pm Mar 29, 1999 MST (#430 of 447)Ahhhhh, back home at last! Chess trivia time, folks. Did you know that Humphrey Bogart once hustled chess games for 50 cents a pop in the chess parlors along Times Square (we're going back, folks, way back)... By the by, H. Bogart was born in 1899. Just look at those numbers, Mark!
More chess trivia: "Chessplayer's head explodes" (I'm not making this up; hey Sir Paul, do you play chess?) from the "Weekly World News, May 24, 1994. I can't do that fancy stuff and put the link here, but I can type out its location if you want to read this absolutely unbelievable article: http://www.ed.ac.uk/~chess/Chess/Trivia/explodes.html. Goin' to eat supper now...
Mark Borcherding - 07:34pm Mar 29, 1999 MST (#431 of 447)
dare to dream upon your own starRef 430 Jan ... I know you will like this:
"Humphrey Bogart" = 78 , both 7 & 8
1899 = 1+8+9+9 = 27 = 9+9+9
Wow! his numbers have alot of charisma :)
For some reason I thought of Chess and the Goddess as I was typing this and then Xena came to mind.
"Xena" = 17 , 1+7=8 and if you take the center of 1 thru 17 it is a 9. Then 8+9 = 17
Which Chess piece is Xena ... Jan?
Jan Newton - 08:28pm Mar 29, 1999 MST (#432 of 447)Darling, I'm the black queen, of course. Want to kiss Xena's foot??? Ahem... While I was looking over one of your earlier posts tonight on the ride home from the office, I noticed how you very adroitly connected The Game to Arcturus (sp?), where the recent Gamma ray explosion is now being detected, via the planets, the numbers of The Game, and Venus, Goddess of Love who is also one of many Goddesses of The Game! Very good! I knew there had to be a reason why you started up a whole new site regarding THAT subject. So, what think you, oh resident wizard of numbers? Is someone from "out there" trying to get a New Game going? And is it a white king or a rival black queen??? Oh, P.S., for general information purposes and especially to all of you chess players out there, you might also want to read the follow-up article "How to tell if your head's about to blow up", which is cited after the article I noted in my previous post to this. Most beneficial.
Georgia Albert - 12:43am Mar 30, 1999 MST (#433 of 447)Does anyone know about obelisks, aka Cleopatra's Needle? Is the obelisk associated with Shakti? Philip maybe you know.
I was reading the KMT Magazine, it showed drawings of Moslems destroying pyramids.Hmmmmmm I picked up from the article that it was not just treasure hunting, but that there was a religious reason. Could these pyramids have been built to honor women? As we know the Moslem religion teaches hatred of women. And the Moslems have thoughout herstory been destroying anything dealing with a Great Mother Goddess.
LOVE
G
Paul Bilyeu - 01:46am Mar 30, 1999 MST (#434 of 447)
<^> <^> <^> <^> TEOTWAWKI 2000 <^> <^> <^> <^>Iconoclasts find ready employment in the "zeal" stage of many religions. The Great Library at Alexandria burnt, all those antique statues with their noses and arms broken off, the burning of the Mayan books, etc.etc. Even some TV ministers have publicly destroyed priceless artifacts. The 1st Kommandant orders that there be no "graven images".
Mark Borcherding - 07:04am Mar 30, 1999 MST (#435 of 447)
dare to dream upon your own starRef 433 & 434 For some reason alot of religions seem to want to destroy the mystic power centers of another. Why? Is this like a disease that keeps everyone from looking at their own divinity? What does Chess teach us? That when we honor each pieces abilities and even our opponent then we have a fun game. That we can make a game out of black & white and the game is an adventure. The black and white pieces "mirror" each other in position by 180 degrees, however their pieces and relations are the same otherwise.
"Alexandria" = 44 = 8
"Cleopatra" = 37 "black queen" = 37
44 + 37 = 81 :: 18 "Love" looks like some Goddess energy here
Jan, regarding Arcturus and Gamma Bursts, I think it likely that Arcturus supports the Earth and has a special harmonic relationship with us. The name of the main Arcturian starship is "Athena" thus bears the name of the Goddess. The highest Artform on Arcturus is "child-raising" that speaks of their intent.
"Athena" = 22 = (11 + 11)
"Arcturus" = 31 = (22 + 9)
Athena + Arcturus = 22 + 31 = 53 = "foton fonon" (my spirit name) which means "sound of light"
53 = 5+3 = 8 = the 8th mayan is "star" and symbolizes the "sheild of Arcturus" :: Female glyph of planet "Venus" = 18 = "Chess" = "Love"
Green is the color of the Heart Chakra and "Green" = 31
Notice that the words "Earth" and "hEart" contain exactly the same letters.
May the Hand of Goddess Accomplishment Touch Our Heart
Jan Newton - 09:45am Mar 30, 1999 MST (#436 of 447)Destroying books, art, and artifacts is a waste of time. What's destroyed generally surfaces again sooner or later, perhaps in a garbled form, and comes back to bite the hiney of the group or philosophy that led to its attempted destruction in the first place! There are always going to be idiots who will be swayed, just like the prairie grass in the wind, with this new thought or that one, and there will always be intelligent people who will be able to discern the difference between true information and b.s. Obelisks, gigantic phallic symbols, raised by various pharoahs and kings all over the world to mark their achievements and victories over enemies. The "king" chesspiece today is, in my opinion, a tiny obelisk.
Jan Newton - 11:31am Mar 30, 1999 MST (#437 of 447)Waxing philosophic over the lunch break. Mark, any religion that seeks to destroy the faith centers of another is not "true" because it is not centered in love; therefore, eventually, it will meet the same fate it seeks to inflict upon others. That can be seen very clearly in declining memberships and church attendance in the "western" so-called "christian" world today. I know nothing about eastern religions, so I can't speak for them. Where certain persons call themselves disciples of Islam but preach and teach violence as a means to an end, they too, will meet the same fate. These hurtful actions are all based on the opposite of love, which is - not hate - but fear. There a lot of frightened people in the world and, to paraphrase your own thought, it is a disease that keeps them from seeking and finding their own spirituality. You asked what does Chess teach us? There are the obvious things, of course, about strategy, tactics and sportswomanship. There are also all of the unseen things that are part of the warp and woof of The Game: the wonderful history behind each of the pieces that I now feel deep within every time I pick up a piece to move it in the stately goddess game Isis and I are playing; the constant search for balance and fulfillment between light and dark, Yin and Yang, seen and unseen. The Game teaches us about spirituality, if we are willing to learn. It teaches us about "heart", that innermost secret part that it the voice in each one of us. The Game is the "8" , eternal, forever. With all of the things that we have discussed and examined in this site thus far, we have just barely scratched the surface. The Game is a perfect reflection of All That Is. We will never be finished learning about All That Is.
Jan Newton - 11:45am Mar 30, 1999 MST (#438 of 447)P.S. Almost forgot! Tomorrow night is the second full moon of the month. Another blue moon (the second) in 1999 (we had a blue moon in January)! Think I'll crack open the windows (been very temperate here, lately, spring has sprung), put Robert Palmer on the CD player, stare at my chessboard while I'm trying to figure out a way to beat Isis, drink some wine, and sing at the top of my lungs. What a way to go!
Mark Borcherding - 12:45pm Mar 30, 1999 MST (#439 of 447)
dare to dream upon your own starJan ref 436-438
Obelisks, gigantic phallic symbolsI think there are many feminine symbols as well the flowers and circle designs represent the female anatomy.I think the obelisks could also be stone "trees" many cultures held the tree in high regard.
Thanks for reminding me about the blue full moon. "blue moon goddess nuit" = 81 , perhaps we all will be blessed with new info to share by the Goddess energy after all Blue is the color of Magic and transformation.
The wind may even gently kiss your foot : )
Jan Newton - 05:15pm Mar 30, 1999 MST (#440 of 447)Instead of "the wind beneath my wings" I'll have "the wind beneath my feet"... Hmmm. So, an obelisk could be a representation of a tree, as well as a phallic symbol, and flowers and circles (not to mention a tiny backward swastika judiciously placed) could be - let's see, is there an analogous term - how about "uterine symbol"! Gives new meaning to the words of that old song "let me tell you 'bout the birds and the bees, and the flowers and the trees...". Mark, I think you've got spring fever! I've a feeling about this one, folks. We'll all be blessed tomorrow night by Nuit. Just be ready for it when it comes because it may be something totally unexpected, and you may not recognize it!
Philip Mistlberger - 01:22am Mar 31, 1999 MST (#441 of 447)Concerning obelisks, one of the main ideas in Egypt is that they are connected to the ancient solar cult, and to the idea of a pillar "holding up the solar disk". Sometimes they are linked to Isis and Nephthys, as two goddesses who uphold the solar disk in the sky. In addition, they are connected to the "horns" which frame the solar disk seen on the heads of goddesses in papyrus scrolls (Isis, Nephthys, Hathor, for eg.). Thus, Georgia, you are correct in your connection of the obelisk to Shakti, who is essentially the Indian equivalent of Isis. This Goddess connection could also be the source of the reference to "Cleopatra's needle".
For those knowing the notation, here is one of the most symbolic (and amusing) chess games of all time, between Edward (Emmanuel's cousin) Lasker and George Thomas (played around 1912 in London). The white queen is sacrificed for a measly pawn, leading to a combination that drives the black king all the way across the board into a mating net. And, the coup de grace is given by the white king! The symbolism is rich, when we impose the archetypal forces onto the pieces. Here's the actual dance (Lasker had white).
1) d4 f5; 2) Ktf3 e6; 3) Ktc3 Ktf6; 4) Bg5 Be7; 5) Bxf6 Bxf6; 6) e4 fxe4; 7) Ktxe4 b6; 8) Bd3 Bb7; 9) Kte5 O-O; 10) Qh5 Qe7; 11) Qxh7ch!! Kxh7; 12) Ktxf6ch Kh6; 13) Kt(e)g4ch Kg5; 14) h4ch Kf4; 15) g3ch Kf3; 16) Be2ch Kg2; 17) Rh2ch Kg1; 18) Kd2chmate (discovered check from the Rook on a1). Masterpiece!(Note on move 12 the white knight is not captured because the black king is in double check from knight on f6 and bishop on d3)
Mark Borcherding - 07:04am Mar 31, 1999 MST (#442 of 447)
dare to dream upon your own starRef 441 Philip your post reminded me that the mayan solar glyph "Ben" or Skywalker is two Pillars and this glyph carries the energy to bridge Heaven and Earth. It is the 13th glyph of the 20 solar glyphs.
"Nephthys" = 43
A Christ connection? "Jesus Christ" = 43
If we take the solar disk of the Egyptians which has a circle 360 + 1 dot= 361 then we add the trinity 361 + 3 = 364 (13 x 28) and then the Mayans had the 365th day was called "The Day Out of Time" or "Green Day".
Look how our chess number 64 and its mirror 46 relates to 365:
(5 x 64) + 45 = 365
(7 x 46) + 43 = 365
Or if we put a pyramid in a circle "planet" then we have 360 + 4 base points + 1 capstone = 365.
Notice that the circle is a symbol of Goddess energy and two circles create and 8 or infinity sign.
Jan Newton - 12:37pm Mar 31, 1999 MST (#443 of 447)I vaguely recall sitting (sleeping) through Prof. Al Menhir's class on metaphysical archaeology as a junior in college, and I could have sworn he stated unequivocally that an obelisk was a phallic symbol. However, the good professor was a little "off", just a tad you understand, and so he may have only been indoctrinating us in his own favorite theories. I bow, Phillip, to your vastly greater age and experience. About the famous Lasker game, seems just a little hinky, if you ask me, that White King knocking off his Queen so HE would be the one to get the Black King ... You know, that chess game is very reminiscent of one I recently saw during a day trip to Madison to attend a seminar on Women in the Law. It was during one of the breaks and I had wandered out to the vending machine area, and there were a man and a woman, heads bent over a chessboard. I gathered that they were not lawyers, but were attending another seminar in an auditorium down the hall from where we were meeting - something to do with the Daughters of Armenian Freedom Fighters. They didn't speak English very well, but his name was something like I.M. Ligham and she was something like Ury Oni. Well, Ms. Oni beat the pants off Mr. Ligham, but she beat him with her black queen. Just goes to show you, you never know when you might run into a game of metaphysical significance. Lex aequitate gaudet or, as Xena might say, tit for tat.
Mark Borcherding - 02:29pm Mar 31, 1999 MST (#444 of 447)
dare to dream upon your own starJan suggested that there are a couple of posts over in the "Pyramids II" that people here may be interested in see the following posts there: 151, 154 (Jan), 155 and in 155 notice the chakra numbers for king and queen 6&4
Boy the full moon is already effecting us! Jan are your feet tingling yet :)
Jan Newton - 02:31pm Mar 31, 1999 MST (#445 of 447)By the by, I believe Professor Menhir, though retired now, has contributed extensively to the collection exhibited at this site: http://members.tripod.com/~sheerphallacy/indexthumbnails.html. It contains, among other things, two obelisks and a photo of the Oscar Mayer Wienermobile. Anyone up for a barbecue?
Jan Newton - 02:34pm Mar 31, 1999 MST (#446 of 447)Mark, re 444 (you did that on purpose, didn't you), I got my blessing first thing this morning and my feet haven't touched the ground all day. In fact, I don't think I can even feel them...
Mark Borcherding - 02:52pm Mar 31, 1999 MST (#447 of 447)
dare to dream upon your own starRef 446 Jan nope it just happened that way.
But regarding 444, 4 x 4 x 4 = 64
(144 + 144 + 144) + (4+4+4) = 444
3 x 144 = 432 (radius of the sun)
Recall that the 4th chakra is green , heart, of the Goddess
Georgia Albert - 08:43pm Mar 31, 1999 MST (#448 of 470)Ref. # 441
Thank you Philip, that post helped confirm my suspions. This past week the Moslems observed a religious holiday, haji, in one of their ceremonies they throw rocks at 3 pillars, they believe they are throwing rocks at satan. I saw a picture of one of the pillars in the local newspaper, guess what it was, yes, an obilisk! I'd lay even money the other two pillars are obilisks. The moslems have been trying to put horns and a tail on the Goddess for centuries. It is so very sad that the moslems hate their Mother. I wonder what Frued would say about this. Maybe they should make an appointment with Philip and get straightened out:)
LOVE
G
May the Hand of the Goddess Always be with You.
Jan Newton - 08:50pm Mar 31, 1999 MST (#449 of 470)Mark, I am all heart; that, it would appear, is my major problem. Chess Trivia Time: excerpted from "How to Spot an Addict" taken from the University of Edinburgh chess site (a tres cool site):
Mumbles "j'adoube" when bumping into things.
Keeps a chess book and chess set in the bathroom.
Asks new acquaintances if they know how to play chess.
Panics for an instant when a waiter says "Check?"
Multiplies 8 x 8 faster than 7 x 7.
If you are guilty of any or all of the above, 20 checkmates from the "other" Lasker.
Jan Newton - 08:52pm Mar 31, 1999 MST (#450 of 470)Isis, re your post 448, it would make mucho more sense if they were throwing the rocks at a phallic symbol, you know, beat the devil at his own game!
in reality nothing more than a projected symbol of repressed and perverted sexuality. (A good read for capturing the mentality of that time is "Malleus Maleficarum", by the Dominican monks Kramer and Spengler, one of the most horrendous books ever penned. It makes Machiavelli's "The Prince" look like Reader's Digest).Arabs in later times defaced some of the original carvings of Minn at Karnak, literally cutting out the phallus. Again, exponents of a monotheistic partriarchal programming doin' their thing.
It is true that you can find modern books associating obelisks with phalluses (as well as goddesses and sunrays), but my own sense is that the Egyptians were not so covertly symbolic or subliminal in their psychology (as borne out by the brash openness of the Minn carvings). I suspect Mark's take is the correct view, a quantum one that embraces more than one possibility and ultimately recognizes the innocence and divinity of both female and male archetypal energies.
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