Isis, re your post 448, it would make mucho more sense if they were throwing the rocks at a phallic symbol, you know, beat the devil at his own game!

Ref 448 and 450 regarding people tossing things at themselves :) I don't think it matters what they are throwing stones at ... it is their "desire" to throw stones that is an indicator of their own feelings of self-worth. I beleive the Goddess energy of course would first teach "self-worth". The oblelisk is not just a phallic symbol it can be many things ... whatever is in the eye and heart of the beholder. Notice their energy that propels the rocks comes from within them. Where is Satan again?

Chess teaches us that the black and white co-exist on "one board" ... "one world" ... "one galaxy" ... "one creation" and this includes both the God and Goddess. Both have great beauty. The oblelisk maybe phallic or may also represent the vaginal canal. The obelisk connects Heaven and Earth it points to the Stars but rests on the Earth Goddess. It is a symbol of Unity.

Mark, you are a Chess Master.

The Miv don't like obelisks either. Here in the States we have the Washington Monument, a great obelisk. If you look a good photo of the monument you will notice it is made of two different colors of marble. That is because the construction of the Washington monument was halted for a long time, the pope at that time didn't like it. And when construction of the monument began again the marble they had been using was not available so the use a different color. Notice the two colors, just like a Chess board. I believe the Goddess, in her clever way, is telling us something.

LOVE

G

May Manna Always be with You.

Isis, you can be sure that when the MIV erected (ha ha) the Washington Monument, goddess power was the farthest thing from their collective puny minds. If they'd been aware of the symbolism, the'd never have put it up, nor be spending millions of our taxpayer dollars right now furbishing the thingy up (ha ha ha). I believe they recently got a very large donation to aid with the work from the makers of Viagra... I'm sorry, can't seem to help myself, must be the Blue Moon. Lex est ab aeterno, and so is The Game.

Jan, the MiV didn't erect the Washington Monument. Believe me, the MiV know the symbolic meaning of the Obelisk, that is why they did thier very best to stop the construction. Does anyone know the Masonic symbolism of an obelisk?

LOVE

G

May Manna Always be with You.

Can't help with any Masonic symbolism for the obelisk (perhaps the Yin sector can help out with fact finding on that matter?), but uncovered some intriguing further evidence for a connection between The Game of the Goddess and China. Recall eons ago when we were contemplating "Xiang 'qi", the Chinese game of chess? Well, while researching "petteia" (more on that in subsequent posts), I uncovered a heretofore unknown (to me, at least) website of seven (significant number?) gentlemen who were undertaking an historical re-analysis of the origins and meaning of the game of Chess! Too tired now to go into all the details, but they hypothesized about a connection between The Game and "the Silk Road" between northwestern China, dipping down into northern India, and onward east toward Persia, etc. Most intriguing. Yawn. Will post more tomorrow.

P.S. Isis, if the MIV didn't erect the Washington Monument, who did? He was one of their own, after all...

Jan,

George Washington was a Mason, MiB. The MiV are the men of Vatican City.

LOVE

G

May Manna Always be with You.

Think of the Earth symbolizing a circle and the obelisk as a dot on the circle. Now recall what a Egyptian "solar disk" looks like a circle with a dot in it.

If you look at the obelisk from the side it looks like a line or bar. In mayan the bar is a 5 thus and obelisk in a circle is 360 + 5 = 365 days in a year.

So what does the dot or obelisk symbolize in the center of the circle?

(I will wait before giving my thoughts)

Ref 457 ... Georgia I just did numerology on some of the words in your post:

"Mason" = 17 , "God" = 17

"George Washington" = 88

"Vatican City" = 46 , interesting 64 backwards we see Chess showing up here???

"Xiang 'qi" = 45

"petteia" = 31 , 13 reversed recall 13 Moon calendars

Perhaps these will strike a chord with someone for further pondering...

What does the dot mean in the middle of the solar disk? If it were just a dot and not a dash (obelisk), I'd say it reminds me of a woman's breast, a source of life sustaining nourishment for infants and thus a symbol of the life sustaining power of the sun and goddess (mother) toward her children (us). But with the dash, I don't know. What does it mean, Mark? By the way, has anyone ever heard of a place called the "holy town of Nasik" and a connection with magic squares?

Ref 460 ... Jan I was leaving the "breast" and solar disk comparision to whom wished to bring it up. I think your words defining is a life sustaining is cool. Often the Solar Disk is refered to as "father" and the Earth as "mother" but perhaps that is our view. Maybe the Sun and Earth have both Male/Female sides just as people do.

The dash or bar in Mayan is the "Overtone" tone the fifth tone and it carries the energy of "Radiance". If we looked at the pyramid the 5th point is the top "capstone". Similar to the point in the middle of the "solar disk". So the square base of the pyramid may have circle as well?

Hmmmmm, "Circling the Square"? But there is a relationship or connection to a circle, isn't there, because of the pi value that was so carefully incorporated into the GP's dimensions? It's been ages since I learned geometry, what's the formula for determining the circumference of a circle, 2 pi r? And the GP (and the others) would be symbolic breasts of the earth mother? Very interesting, especially considering the connection between the Giza pyramids and the earth's magnetic energy which, I thought I read somewhere sometime, is considered "feminine"...

By the by, George Washington was a "double 8". He most definitely was not an MIV, G, you're right! Wonder if he played chess? What's scary is that 46 and Vatican City. I don't like that connection at all. Don't humans also have 46 chromosomes?

Well, I keep saying that I shouldn't be surprised by this sort of thing happening anymore, but I was still surprised as all get out. I was over to the mall during the noon hour to spend some money and what did I see, for the very first time, but "The Egyptian Store". I'm not kidding! There it was, big as life, on the lower level, calling out to me. Well, I ran and bought a new red suit (spring weight) and then I ran back and went to The Egyptian Store. They have the coolest things in there! I bought a beautiful little handcarved soapstone statue of Bast, who is now sitting next to my keyboard, purring gently to me as I do this post, and a print on papyrus of Isis blessing pharoah and his daughter, in which I had my first name hand stamped in hieroglyphics! Too cool! I asked the clerk how long the store had been there and she said 1 1/2 years! Shows you how observant I am, but on the other hand, I don't think I believe her... I feel so much better now.

Jan, George did play chess. I remember seeing a special on PBS about his home, Mt. Vernon, and there is a painting of him with his friends and in the forfront was a chess board, layed out with a game in progress. It is common knowledge amongst art historians, that placment of objects within paintings hold symbolic meaning. I am sure it was included with in the painting, as a secret message.

The Moslems are MiS (Men in Sand). Even though MiV can include the MiS as a group.

Jan, The Egyptian Store, OOOooooooOOO, I found the same store here, about a week ago, and before reading your post today about the store, I was thinking about the same store... Magical.

Jan & Georgia ... there is a metaphysical store here in Denver called "Isis" and Mer, I , and Ron have been a couple times.

Jan there is a good book on the Great Pyramid that you would like called "Stonehenge and the Great Pyramid" by Bonnie Gaunt ISBN 0-9602688-3-9 costs about $10. Has a bunch of circle & square relations as well a bunch of numbers :)

C	hild of Isis and Osiris
H	orus tears of joy
E	ternal wings of light
S	pirit desires to fly
S	ings of Earth Goddess and Birth

Our Egyptian store went out of beeswax two years ago, but not before I bought statues of a gold Horus-hawk and black Annubis-jackal, and papyrus prints of Isis, Hathor, and Akhenaton. Oh yes, I also have a pharoah water fountain (cheesy but neat at night), a brass ankh, and a two foot high exact geometric replica of the Great Pyramid (precision created by a carpenter friend). Did I mention my Egyptian beer as well?

On obelisks, another view is that they represent "rays" from the sun. On the phallic angle, ancient Egyptians did not show signs of the usual psychosexual dysfunctions common particularly in modern societies conditioned by patriarchal monotheistic faiths. Under such repressive conditions sexual symbolism becomes rampant, or at the least is "seen" wherever one looks (which is usually just psychological projection).

In the Karnak temple of Luxor, as well as many other sites, the agriculture god "Minn" is seen everywhere, with an openly erect phallus. He is regarded as an important deity of abundance and creativity (not unlike the Celtic Horned God, Cernunnos).

Because the Christian church in the Middle Ages showed so many signs of psychosexual dysfunction, they had to project this inner divisiveness somewhere, and thus were born the terrible witch-burnings of those times. In addition, the Celtic Horned God was twisted into a grotesque parody of "evil", complete with horns and hooves, who was in reality nothing more than a projected symbol of repressed and perverted sexuality. (A good read for capturing the mentality of that time is "Malleus Maleficarum", by the Dominican monks Kramer and Spengler, one of the most horrendous books ever penned. It makes Machiavelli's "The Prince" look like Reader's Digest).

Arabs in later times defaced some of the original carvings of Minn at Karnak, literally cutting out the phallus. Again, exponents of a monotheistic partriarchal programming doin' their thing.

It is true that you can find modern books associating obelisks with phalluses (as well as goddesses and sunrays), but my own sense is that the Egyptians were not so covertly symbolic or subliminal in their psychology (as borne out by the brash openness of the Minn carvings). I suspect Mark's take is the correct view, a quantum one that embraces more than one possibility and ultimately recognizes the innocence and divinity of both female and male archetypal energies.

Mark, you are so wise. I will be sure to read your recommended book. Did you like the mock battle G and I performed, by the by? We were re-enacting the naval battle between Julius Caesar's and Cleopatra's (Mark Antony's) naval forces at Actium (sp?). That's about where our chess game is now. Did I mention the most beautiful chess sets at The Egyptian Store? Incredible. I didn't dare look at the prices, just admired them exceedingly while the smiling clerk looked on mentally going "I got a live one here, folks, cha ching!" Thank you for the information, Philip.

G, I almost forgot, does your Egyptian Store have the clothes hanging in the back? All those sheer little numbers with spangles ands sparkles and a veil to boot? What about I get one of those when I visit you? I'll get one of those thousand dollar chess sets too and we'll sit on the strip in our skimpy little outfits playing chess for all the world to see, while we work on our tans. By the by, Mark, did you notice the numbers in that ISBN number you gave me for "Stonhenge and the Great Pyramid"!!!

Thanks Jan ... for the wise compliment there is alot of wonderful things and they grow in beauty when admired from many perceptions. I hope my perceptions do NOT limit anybody but add to thier selection of colors. We all can have so much fun together.

I can just see the Xena and Isis in their sleek very Goddess outfits engaged in a joyous game of Chess. Now there's a chess match :)

Yes Jan I noticed the ISBN number and cannot resist now that you bring it up this as most of my posts are "on the fly" lets see what we discover:

ISBN 0-9602688-3-9

0+9+6+0+2+6+8+8+3+9 = 51

18 + 15 + 18 = 51 (Love=18 15 is 51 mirrored)

What is the 15? 7 + 1 + 7 (notice the 8)

The 15th mayan glyph is "Men" or "Eagle" with the "power of vision". This power tells me that 15 or 51 also refers to the 5 outside points of the pyramid and the 1 center. The word "Men" is the very last word in the Holy Bible "A-Men" which also means "1 Vision" and this vision definitly includes the Goddess. Goddess = Heavenly Vision.

In the Book the numbers 27 and 37 play a major role as 27 is the number of Light and 37 is the number of Matter (hydrogen) and look what we find when we put them together:

37 + 27 = 64

Notice 27 + 5+5 + 27 = 64

27 + 5 = 32 mirrored = 23 Goddes yin chromosomes

27 + 5 = 32 mirrored = 23 God yang chromosomes

The Lady in the Lake sings a Goddess Song to Us of Excaliber and Camelot of Kings and Queens

Camelot! Excaliber! Egad, and here I've been mucking around in the ruins of Machhu Picchu and discovering ley lines and goddess power! How DO you do that with the numbers, Marcus Arelius?

MIV and 46 chromosomes have me worried. Do you suppose THEY'RE actually the ones behind all the latest genetic research???

I have been busily tracking down many leads on all kinds of things, and I have discovered enough interesting research to keep us going to kingdom come.

Peruvian Trivia: Sacsayhuaman, when pronounced in "english", sounds like "sexy woman". I love it!

I have discovered a site that connects the legend of Lemuria and Lake Titicaca. Tres cool. The "7 gentlemen" will have to wait while I explore this thread further.

More Peruvian Trivia: The Incas believed in the concept of duality in permanent opposition, but complementary, like yin/yang, day/night, light/dark, man/woman, etc. The Incas used a 1,000 year cycle to measure their history, divided into halves, each of which was referred to as a Pachakuti. Each half of the Pachakuti also exhibited characteristics of "duality in permanent opposition" (more about this later).

The Incas called the earthmother "Pachamama". "Cuzco" means "Navel" and the Incas linked that to the feminine land - the center from which all life flowed. The Inca empire was known as the "land of the four quarters" and its center intersection was at a place called in spanish "Plaza de Armas" in Cuzco. The Temple of the Sun is in the center of the complex, from which ley lines radiate outward in all directions unifying an entire web of sacred shrines, including "the sacred purification fountains of Tambomachay, and the ritual moon cavern of the Pachamama at Kenko".

Notice the connections with Giza via the ley lines and the goddess influence. Also, we have connected Giza with Lemuria, and now Lemuria with Peru (Macchu Picchu); possibly a chess connection as well??? (Remember earlier speculations about chess being a survivor of the great catastrophe, whatever it was, that wiped out the prototype civilization? Could chess have originated in Lemuria???)...

Wow, you have been very busy in this thread too, I had a lot of reading to catch up on and the thread has taken many turns. I will try to add my bit without going too far back.

Mark (post # 431)17/8 is the number which corresponds to Aquarius, which of course is the new age we are entering.

Tarot Symbolism: Key 17 The Star. Fishhook, keyword for the Star, suggests the drawing of ideas from the universal subconscious. The hook relates to the subject selected for research or meditation. Revelation comes through meditation. You must still the conscious mind but keep a line on the subject chosen for meditation.

Aquarius rules this key, which brings the age of revelation. The Star key explains the fifth or celestial essence, which is above and beyond the four elements of fire, earth, air and water. The great star has eight points representing rotation. The seven lesser stars refer to the seven bodily centers which are really whorls of motion and vibration. The ibis is a fishing bird, again emphasizing searching and probing.

The woman represents the subconscious mind which shows that all secrets are available if you fish in the proper manner. Her left leg, holding her weight, forms a right angle or square, hinting at the number 4, order and reason. Resting on the water, her right foot shows that the mind sustains her.

She pours water, her mental powers, on land and sea, indicating the pouring of knowledge over humanity everywhere. The water on land divides into five streams representing five senses.

Ask yourself a question and seek the answer with calm expectancy. This is the right attitude for meditation and the proper method for gaining illumination.

Astrological Correspondence: Saturn (and Aquarius). 17 has the 7 of receptivity (the Moon) and the 1 of concentration (Mars). Together they equal 8, the Saturn correspondence and the symbol of the kundalini force rising from the Saturn center at the base of the spine. These are necessary attributes for the subconscious mind to use in meditation.

The Aquarian influence brings the revelation, which 17/8 represents, and universal consciousness, both of which are the ultimate goals of meditation.

Jan (post # 437) interesting you mentioning fear being the opposite of love. I read that many years ago and have felt it true, but have never seen another bring it up and have been called a "nut" when I have. Glad to know I am in good company.

In the numerology system I use George Washington's 88 would be reduced to a 16/7. I posted the 16 before I left and if still interested you can see it there, it is Key 16 The Lightning Struck Tower.

Phillip (post # 467) I think you have a copy of this, but I will post this for the others who may not have one (I will be happy to e-mail anyone a copy of my Tarot File who asks for it, it prints 23 pages). Key 16 The Devil is kind of interesting in view of the witch hunts and such, also kind of goes along with Jan's post about fear. Here it is for those who have not seen it.

Key 15 The Devil. Key 15 shows what happens when we fail to use discrimination. The devil is a misconception of God, as God upside down or opposite. He represents the delusion of judging by outward appearances instead of by inner realities. He also represents religious dogmatism, which is ridiculous to the enlightened person. Therefore the keyword here is mirth. We should learn to laugh in the face of difficulties, for laughter or ridicule is sometimes the most effective defense against evil.

Capricorn, ruled by Saturn, overshadows this key. The Saturn center at the base of the spine is where the kundalini force lies coiled, and it is the life work of Capricorn to raise the kundalini, and then teach others.

The black background on this card indicates ignorance, lack of light. The inverted pentagram on the Devil's forehead is the symbol of black magic, inverted power. His torch burns wastefully and gives no light. The humans, chained loosely to the half cube could easily free themselves by refusing to be bound by darkness and imperfect - or half truth- as indicated by the half cube.

This key means we are God incarnate, but all to often we play the role in an upside down position, as undeveloped people, chained in bondage to appearance.

Welcome back, Alice. Gonna be home for awhile before heading out again? As always, you have shed new light on many things. You are psychic or, as Mark B would say, we are all connected here because we are working toward a common goal with positive energies! The Aquarian connection is exactly what I was reading about last night in the latest thread I've discovered.

I wrote last night about the Incas using the Pachakuti (1000 years) to measure their history, and that they divided each Pachakuti into half, each of which is ruled by duality. The 8th Pachakuti was a time of great spiritual growth and enlightenment in the empire and actual physical growth and prosperity as well. The 9th Pachakuti "brought with it the 500 years of darkness when the Spanish invaders conquered the Inca and the Indian people lost their power". Now, however, we are in the 10th Pachakuti, which is referred to by the native peoples as "the returning of the Light" (perhaps this is a reference to what we call the Age of Aquarius).

This dawning of a new age was referred to in the article I found as as shift "in 1987 from the masculine energies of Tibet to the feminine energies of Peru, and more particular, Lake Titicaca, Machu Picchu, and The Sacred Valley of the Incas.

"This area is the acknowledged portal through which the new feminine energies are entering the Earth. It is power energy - energy of the Heart"... . Mark, here is the Earth/Heart analogy that you have often pointed out to us. More later, when I will post about the Lemurian connection through something called the sacred Golden Solar Disc!

As for laughing at the devil, that's a favorite pasttime of mine. However, not everyone recognizes "him" for what he is! Tragically, some people just don't have a sense of humor or, even worse, have lost theirs somewhere along the line. I think this tends to happen when obsession comes into play. Then, the devil sits back and laughs at "his" victory. Let's all, here at least, keep laughing at the devil!

P.S. Alice, you're right. Not everyone makes the connection right away between love and its opposite, fear; they think "hate" is the opposite of love; but hate is simply the outward manifestation of a great deal of fear. Interestingly, the only thing the Bible says we should hate is evil; everything and everyone else we are to love, even our enemies! By the by, last Sunday while I was meditating on the "good book", I ran across some scriptures that, for the life of me, could have been taken right out of a description of a chess game! I'll post those later too!

Jan ... you are right on! about Love & Fear

LOVE - acceptance of yourself and beauty that is inside and outside, radiate, fullness, abundance, joy

FEAR - low self esteem, feeings of no worth, lack, shame

What happens when we use our "heart" to transmute the "fear" with the alchemy of "love"? The Goddess and Chess both sing to us of this Magic, however, we must pull Excaliber from the stone. Xena is a warrioress with a sword.

We have all of our myth, all of our history, all of our heritage, all of our creation, Now at our disposal ... it is like an immense energy reserve and what might we do with it?

Hmmmmmm.... :)

Aquarius has root word Aqua and Earth is a water world which is blue from space. Blue is the color of the West. The west symbolizes transformation and Magic.

Let's cast a spell of Aquarian Magic ... of Goddess & God energy ... of equality ... of beauty ... of peace ... of balance ... of joy ... of harmony ... of LOVE

"Chess" = 18 = "Love"

Thank you Jan, I leave every Monday and home every weekend.

Another point about fear and hate. Hate releases energy, its an emotion as love is. This release of energy draws what you hate towards you, just as love and want does. I feel it is much better to acknowledge that which you dislike and then bless it and send it on its way. There are some who say what we see in others which we dislike, are things which we need to work on within ourselves. That others are the mirror in which we see ourselves.

I believe Mark is right, we are all following a common goal of learning from each other. The truth is though we are all psychic, though I think something else is going on here.

You know many people think Aquarius is a water sign, but in fact it is an air sign. Aquarius is the "Water bearer" and I believe the rainbow will be the new symbol as the fish was the symbol of the Piscean age. I believe the "golden calf" was the symbol of the Taurean age and Baalism, etc. Wonder how many events in the Bible can be put into dates through use of the Procession of the Ages?

Hi all. I've got my best friend here from high school with her two kidlets and we're having fun reading over some of the recent posts. I'll drop by later and get "more serious" (Ha, fat chance!)

Mark, re post 476, I very much "fear" you have set an Impossible Task! I don't have enough majik to pull Excalibur from the grip of The Stone. It is very sad, but I am reconciled. Alice, you know, a lot of people DO think Aquarius is a water sign, although it is, as you pointed out, an "air" sign. I think of the Aquarian sign in terms of a metaphor: both "water" and "air" are very "liquid", that is, those manifestations are here, there, and everywhere(shades of "The Scarlet Pimpernel"!); they flow, and assume the shape of whatever "mold" we may force them into temporarily (excuse me a moment while I rock out to Addicted to Love by R. Palmer...) Ayyyeeeeiiiiiahhhhh!!! Ahem. Yes, I feel ever so much better now. I continue... Their true nature, however, is to enfold, to engulf, to surround, encompass, caress and ultimately transform. In that regard, both air and water are identical!

On a personal note, G is an "Aquarius" and I am a "Leo". Air and fire. You know what that means! The air makes the flame burn ever brighter and the flame, in turn, warms the air. Thus, you perceive at work both the seen and the unseen at work with respect to this site (i.e., at the "surface" level, I was attracted to this site at the beginning because I was intrigued by the connection between chess and "goddess". In the unseen reality, I was attracted for an altogether different and more powerful reason).

One final note (at least on this topic for the time being!), one ignores the power of air, water and fire at one's own risk, as we have all witnessed in the manifested "physical realities" of tornadoes (all air), hurricanes (air and water), floods (all water), "wild" fires (those caused by lightening during storms - water and fire combined), and your "run of the mill" fire caused by combustible elements other than lightening. We have only to add the element of "earth", and we have the four, which I asked each one about eon-posts ago: which one are you? You may not be what you think you are! Now, excuse me while I rock out once more to "Feel the Heat" (yeah baby), by R. Palmer...

Jan ... Mer & I are Leo. In Mayan/Pleiadean cosmology we also have the same galactic birthday "Red Overtone Skywalker" kin 213.

"Leo" = 14 , symbolic of the pyramid 1 capstone and 4 base points.

We have five elements air, water, fire, earth, and the 5th unites them all.

"Aquarius" = 35

When we add "Leo" + "Aquarius" = 49 (7x7)

If I recall correctly the Sphinx maybe looking from the Age of Leo into the Age of Aquarius.

I'm baaaacccckkkkk! (to the sounds of "One Step Beyond" in the background). Ahem (by the by, Mark, have you noticed how closely "Ahem" resembles "Amen"???) Chess lines from The Bible (note: I have used the traditional King James Version [KJ], the "Living Bible" printed by The Tynedale Press [LB], and "the New World Translation" printed by the Watchtower Bible & Tract Society [NW], so we've got a good mix:

King: [KJ] 1 Sam 8:19-20: Nevertheless, the people refused to obey the voice of Samuel; and they said, "Nay, but we will have a king over us; (20) That we also may be like all the nations, and that our king may judge us, and go out before us, and fight our battles."

[LB]: But the people refused to listen to Samuel's warning. (20) "Even so, we still want a king", they said, "for we want to be like the nations around us. He will govern us and lead us to battle."

[NW]: However, the people refused to listen to the voice of Samuel and said: "No, but a king is what will come to be over us. (20) And we must become like all the nations, and our king must judge us and go out before us and fight out battles."

Queen: (Ps. 45:9-11)[KJ]: Kings' daughters were among thy honourable women: upon thy right hand did stand the queen in gold of Ophir. (10) Hearken, O daughter, and consider, and incline thine ear; forget also thine own people, and thy father's house; (11) So shall the king greatly desire thy beauty; for he is thy Lord; and worship thou him.

[LB]: Kings' daughters are among your concubines. Standing beside you is the queen, wearing jewelry of finest gold from Ophir. (10, 11) I advise you, O daughter, not to fret about your parents in your homeland far away. Your royal husband delights in your beauty. Reverence him, for he is your lord.

[NW]: The daughters of kings are among your precious women. The queenly consort has taken her stand at your right hand in gold of Ophir. (1) Listen, O daughter, and see, and incline your ear; And forget your people and your father's house. (11) and the king will long for your prettiness, For he is your lord, So bow down to him.

Bishop, Knight, Rook, Pawn: Jer 46: 9 [KJ]: Come up, ye horses; and rage, ye chariots; and let the mighty men come forth; the Ethiopians and the Libyans, that handle the shield; and the Lydians, that handle and bend the bow.

[LB]: Then come, o horses and chariots and mighty soldiers of Egypt! Come, all of you from Cush, and Put and Lud who handle the shield and bend the bow!

[NW]: Go up, O you horses; and drive madly, O you chariots! And let the mighty men go forth, Cush and Put, who are handling the shield, and the Ludim, who are handling and treading the bow.

Well, is this cool or what? (Rocking out now to Bryan Adams...)

Hi everyone. in answer to Jan's question about what I "am." I am considered a water sign by newspaper astrology (Cancer,June 27) but I am sure you know that true astrology uses the time, place as well as year. So to those who can figure this (I am not an astrologer) my birthdate in full is June 27, 1959 @ 11AM in Clarksdale, Mississippi.

I'm baaaaaacccckkkkk! yet again. Trying once again to listen to the 2/17 encore replay of Gordon Michael Scallion. He is predicting an actual physical pole shift (yawn, been there, darling, done that). Did I tell you, I gave Bast a very gentle bath last night when I brought her home from the office (I couldn't bear to leave her behind, when it came to it!). She had a built-up accumulation of dust and grit, as if she'd been sitting on that shelf where I found her, for a long long time. Now she is once again resplendent and glowing. I have her sitting on my computer hutch to my left, facing me (I moved her over from the right speaker earlier tonight, because I didn't want to blow our her ears). The person who carved her was a genuine craftman. She is asymetrical! Her right ear (facing me) is pointed slightly forward, and her left paw (facing me) is slightly forward, as if Bast were readying herself to step forward. Her tail is curled around to my left. When looked at from behind, her giddy-up has a definite hitch! She's ready to spring out next with her left paw and jump!!! Even the base she rests upon is asymetrical. She is very dainty and delicate, and absolutely beautiful. I believe she is "left pawed". Puuuuuurrrrrr..... Most interesting, when my friend was over earlier today and I was showing her my "computer room", she noticed Bast immediately and exclaimed at her beauty, even though she had no idea who Bast was.

Marcus Arelius (re post 480), are you a venerable descendant of "Luke Skywalker", he who was born "long ago and far away..."? The Skywalker family was famous or, perhaps, infamous (depending upon one's point of view, "Empire" or "Rebellion")... and Luke played chess, too. Remember that scene in "Star Wars" where Luke and Chewbaca were playing three dimensional chess aboard the "Millenium Falcon"? Oh my, the symbolism in THAT name!

Okay, this is the last post for today. I swear it. Only, Gordon Michael Scallion is still on and the "Player" hasn't cut out once!!! Here is the info on the "Legend of Lake Titicaca and the Lemurian Solar Disc".

"There is a legend that says at the time Lemuria was sinking, one of the seven Great Masters of Lemuria, Lord Aramu Muru [Marcus Arelius, I see a definite "resonance" resemblance, darling], was given the mission to bring the sacred Golden Solar Disc from the Temple of Illumination to Lake Titikaka for safe keeping. During the time of the Incas, the Solar Disc was transfered to Cusco, and placed in the Qoricancha, the main temple of the Incas, where it stayed until the coming of the Spanish. At that time, it was returned to Lake Titikaka and placed in the Eternal Etheric City inside the Lake. [Doesn't this forcibly remind you of the "disappearance" of the Ark of the Covenant from any further reference in Holy Scripture during the reign of that most atrocious of Judean Kings, Manasseh?]

"In the legend of their origin, this is the place from where the first Incas, Manco Kapaq and Mama Ocalla, entered the Earth. The Solar Disc was used in the capacity of a cosmic computer that received light information directly from the Universal Mind Source, Wirachoca, at the center of the galaxy. By entering the Temple of Illumination and opening temselves, the Lemurians and later the Incas could access the sacred wisdom.

"It is during this time, the Age of Pachakuti [our time, right now], that the sacred Solar Disc is to be reactivated accessing the cosmic wisdom."

The article goes on to say that during this time "many" will have the opportunity to access the information from the sacred Golden Disc and to receive the "cosmic energies of Love that are coming in" and will feel called to "participate in re-activating the Golden Disc".

Final quote: "The Golden Disc serves as the portal through which these new FEMININE energies radiate into the world. [Emphasis added]. When we use our intention to reactivate the Golden Disc, we facilitate these energies coming in stronger. It is powerful work for Planetary Midwives".

Well, my fellow and fellowess posters, how to you feel about being "Planetary Midwives"??? What world champion chess player wouldn't want to play in this Game?

Okay, I know I said this before, but this IS the last post for the day. While I was soaking in a nice hot tub, it occurred to me that we might be able to discern quite a bit if the moves in Washington's chess game painting were visible. G, are they? Can we find a copy of that painting somewhere, either online or in a book, where we can look at it with a magnifying glass or whatever?

I just realized one of my myriad posts of the day is missing. Mark, I posted one right after your 480, only it's not the 481 that's there now! Unfortunately, I didn't print it out before I released it. I commented on the fact that you and Mer are both Leos (can we hear a combustible puuuurrrrr?); that that explained why I could so accurately describe Mer to you even though I've never met her (we are on the same wavelength); that I noted Aquarius added up to "8" (35 = 3 + 5 = 8); and that Mark was correct that the Sphinx was oriented looking from the Age of Leo into the Age of Aquarius. There were some other things that I won't include here.

I am back on the trail of the ancient area of Urartu (Ararat) and its peoples (the ancestors of the modern Armenians). I have found some really neat stuff, including an article by two language scholars that made my eyes cross and smoke pour out of my ears, but the upshot of said article appears to be that, at least according to these scholars, there was an early language branch off from proto-Indo-European and the source of the branch off was what we call Armenia today! (I'm not exactly saying that right but I'm too tired now to read any further and my eyes have fallen out of my head. I'm typing this entry blind right now. I will expand on this when I find my eyes and put them back in my eye sockets, sometime tomorrow night). I find this significant because of our earlier postulations about chess possibly having been taken into this area after the Flood by the descendants of Japheth (after they left Nimrod's Babylon), whom the Armenians claim descent from through a grandson (or was it great-grandson?) Or, perhaps, chess never left the area, but came right off the boat with Noah and his sons, and stayed behind with settlers as well as moving on as the population grew and branched out. I have also found a most intriguing connection between Urartu and the Indus Valley region of India (more on this later). If you want to see a really neat map showing the language dispersion, which I believe may also show the actual spread of chess after The Cataclysm, go to http://chess96.com/Olympaid/indoeuro.htm. And dig the "chess" in the URL!!!

Hi Jan, Re Post 487: I would love to review the URL. But alas, it does not work. Please repost correct URL. Thanks

Hi, I was just reading about Mt. Ararat, trying to decide whether to post what Cayce said of the Sphinx. According to him, Mt. Ararat is located in what now is called Turkey. I decided not to post what he said about the Sphinx, you would most likely think he or I am crazy if I posted this. But it has something to do with the fighting between the Sons of the Law of One, and The sons of Belial. Think of Centaurs, Mermaids and the like. The Sphinx is reported to be a monument to those who were called "things" at one point.

Have found a stunning new "discovery" by a noted Giza authority, that involves all three sites (Chess, Pyramids, Sitchin). Thus, I propose that all three rooms be joined, under the new heading "Zecharia Sitchin: King of the Chessboard". I further propose that Ron Bach be designated honorary chairman, and I nominate Jan Newton to be his secretary. (Okay, okay, it was just a JOKE!!). :-) :-) :-) (for the 3 pyramids).

The "stunning" discovery, however, was not a joke. It comes from Peter Lemesurier, he of the classic "The Great Pyramid Decoded", written in the late 70s, long before the Giza mystery became fashionable. In his latest work, "Gods of the Dawn", he has noticed something about the 3 Giza pyramids that seems obvious when he points it out, if not before. They are very connected to Earth, Venus, and Mars.

The Great Pyramid, as we all know, is Earth-commensurate in its mathematical proportions. In other words, it is exactly mathematically proportionate to the radius and equatorial circumference of Earth. (None of Egypt's other 85 pyramids are, nor are others around the planet, as far as we know).

Thus, whoever built the Great Pyramid was trying to tell us something, and definitly connected the GP with Earth.

As Bauval discovered, in the year 10,500 BCE the Orion constellation was situated in such a way that its three central stars, Al Nitak, Al Nilam, and Mintaka all lined up relative to the Milky Way galaxy-hub, in such a way so as to perfectly duplicate the geometric placement of the 3 pyramids in relation to the Nile, where the Nile represented the Milky Way hub. Also, the constellation of Leo was rising directly due east of the direction the Sphinx was facing, thus possibly explaining the shape of the Sphinx.

Bauval figured all this out several years ago, but what Lemesurier has noticed is the correspondence of the 3 pyramids to three planets. If the GP is Earth-commensurate and thus represents Earth, then what are the 2nd and the 3rd pyramids representative of?

According to him, Venus and Mars, respectively. And if you look at the numbers, his idea is fascinating, as the 2nd pyramid is slightly smaller than the GP, just as Venus is slightly smaller than Earth. The 3rd pyramid is roughly half the size of the Great Pyramid, just as Mars is roughly half the size of Earth.

Further, we know that the 3rd pyramid was initially covered in red outer casing for the bottom half.

"Venus", of course, is the Greek "Aphrodite" and basically a form of the Egyptian Isis and/or Hathor. As we have mentioned before, the 2nd pyramid has been connected to Isis by other researchers.

John West reports that the primary "feeling" most visitors have to the 3rd pyramid is of great "power", an interesting association in view of this one's possible connection with Mars, the archetypal energy of outer force and aggression.

Mark, curious what the numerology would be with elements of this post.

On another note, Alice, regarding your Tarot info about the Devil card, I'm wondering if you've checked out Crowley's explanation for that one in his "Thoth Tarot" deck? I think he was one of the few researchers who got the true meaning of the Devil archetype. Most conventional research is filtered by religious programming, I suspect.

Remember, the Devil exists largely only as a projected energy. As a "personality", "he" is a religious creation, Ed Dames TRVing notwithstanding. I'm sure there are negative forces and entities in the cosmos (as there are on Earth), but most ideas around these things are manifestations of human projections and repressions.

Jan, Gurdjieff would be proud of your researches (he of the Armenian bloodlines). He used to speak about his home area as being one the richest sources of wisdom on Earth.

Hi Phillip, I don't know where to find Mr. Crowley's explanation of The Devil. The point I was hoping to make to Mr. Crum is that we bind ourselves by our thoughts. God is the God of all, not just the fundamentlist Christians. I knew better than to post that, but temptation was too strong for me. In The Kybalion, the 3 Initiates explain why you cannot change or convert another, I knew better and will delete that post. Somethings people must learn and see for themselves. I agree we create with our thoughts, and I don't doubt we have created "The Devil." Love and Light to you, All. Alice

Alice, wise words. As the Sufis say. "Il ilaha il Allah hu" ("There is no God but God"), who belongs to no religion, and who has no gender.

Jan, interesting you have brought up the city of Cusco, the other night I was watching a program on PBS. It showed one of the big plazas where the people play Chess. It seems to be a national sport. Philip, Mark, have you any aquaintances, in the Chess world, that have traveled there? I would be interested in the Cusco history of Chess and how the players interpret the game, also names hold great meaning, what name do they give to the game of Chess. I would love to take a trip to Cusco. Curious Prrrrrrr

Jan, great minds think alike:) I was thinking the same thing about the position of the pieces in the George Washington Game. There is a web site for Mt. Vernon, I'll check it out.

LOVE

G

May the Hand of the Goddess Always be with You.

Ref 490: Philip good point about the 3 larger pyramids assoctiation with Venus, Earth, Mars the orbits of these planets from the sun is 234. Notice that the reverse of 234 is 432 and this is the radius of the Sun 432,000 miles. 2+3+4=9 and the number 9 comes up in pyramids especially Mayan and I suspect Egytian as well. Note that 234 + 432 = 666 that infamous Bible number and this number originally belonged to Christ according to the book I mentioned earlier by Bonnie Gaunt.

"Venus"          18	= 9
"Earth"           25	= 7
"Mars"           15	= 6
------------------ TOTAL        58	-----    22         (11+11)

Vicky, you're right, I tried the URL here at work and it didn't work, although that is the address noted as the bottom of the print-out I did at home. But try this (I did, and it worked): type in chess96.com. That will take you to the home page - it's really cool -- apparently there was something called the "Chess Olympics" in 1996 in Armenia and the organizers kept the site up on the 'Net! Anyway, next, go up to the address and type in after "com" a slash, then Olympiad/indoeuro.htm, and that will take you right to the article. It's from the Scientific American's March, 1990 issue and is GREAT!

What's really intriguing about the article's dispersion illustration is that it's almost identical to one I have in my Bible Encyclopedia at home which shows the dispersion of the 70 families that descended from Noah and his sons & wifes after the Flood! I wish I could figure out a way to get it here. According to my B. Encyclopedia, one of Japheth's descendants did found the "Togarmah", which are the Armenians! Perhaps we weren't so far off after all, when we speculated eons ago (way before post 100), that chess may have originated in ancient Babylon in Nimrod's court (great-grandson of Noah). Or perhaps my "hunch" is right and chess came right off the Ark with Noah, his family and all the animals (including horses - more about that later)...
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ohmygoodness! Marcus Arelius! You and Mer are both Leos! Puuuuurrrrrr.... That must be a most INTERESTING relationship (also explains my "psychic" connection with Mer, even though we've never officially met --remember when I described her to you, how close I was)!

While you were posting 480, I was working on 481, taking "rockin' out" breaks -- Bryan Adams is now singin' away "In the Heat of the Night", a classic!!! -- and then posting some more! So, Leo is a "14", symbolic of the pyramid! Well, that explains why I "intuited" the mother earth/breast connection, the other day. We must stop this, you know, Marcus, else people will start to wonder about the whole lot of us, and start talking about what we've got going on here at this site, and then the invaders will come (eek!, cockroaches, quick, where's the RAID?)

You sly one, how could I help but notice that "Aquarius" totals "8" (" 35 = 3 + 5")?

We are, alas, missing two of our "8"ians tonight, but I know that G will show up when she has the time!

And yes, darling Mark, you are correct that the Sphinx (carved originally, as we "know" here, as a Lion[ess]) was looking from the Age of Leo into the Age of Aquarius. Another break, Bryan is now singing "Everything I Do (I Do It For You)". Oops, in the time it has taken me to frame this post, I have put in a new CD. Now I'm rocking out to excepts from the original cast (c. 1986) of "The Phantom of the Opera". I am, of course, Christine (what, you thought I was going to be the Phantom? Oh non non non...)

Okay, a free moment. Mark, I ordered Bonnie Gaunt's book and should get it in a few days (computers are wonderful things. I ordered the book online and it keeps me out of the bookstore where, if I go, I have a hard time leaving and always end up spending mucho $$$)!

I have been on a researching roll, my fellow and fellowess Planetary Midwives; perhaps Nuit inspired me on the night of the Blue Moon (or maybe my new Bast is playing a role, too).

The article I noted earlier is by Thomas V. Gamkrelidze and V. V. Ivanov, whose bona fides are listed at the beginning of the article. They are both professors of linguistics, one in Tbilisi and one in Moscow. I won't go into detail here, but I highly recommend it as a must read because it truly is fascinating. Their thesis is that the proto Indo-European language was centered in what we call modern day Armenia, and started branching off eastward, southeast, south, north around the Black Sea and then west and thus into Europe and east into Russia, perhaps as early as 5,000 BCE. I have already posted about why I found this intriguing.

I have also found the following clues in the article that perhaps indicate a connection to chess:

(1) On page 8, although the authors don't give the original word in the proto Indo-European language, they do note that the language had a word for "elephant". Remember our prior posts from eons ago about the Bishop was an Elephant connection and our speculations as to how "elephant" could have gotten into the Russian language ("slon" -- and the actual chess piece is still an elephant in some Russian chess sets to this day). Well, if the original ancient language had a word for elephant, and The Game already existed, and the Bishop was, indeed, an elephant, that would explain how the Russians got the idea! The elephant piece may not have originated in India at all!

(2) Also on page 8, the proto Indo-European word for "horse" is "ekhos". On a hunch, the first thing I did was pull out my Bible Encyclopedia to see if it had an entry under "horse". Sure enough, the Hebrew word for horse is re'khev (chariot horses); re'khesh (team of horses; post horses). I think there is a definite similarity in the words ekhos and re'khev/re'khesh, don't you, especially when said out loud.

Next, I checked back in some of my research on the origins of chess. According to an article I had printed off of the Edinburgh chess site, the knight"s oldest known name stems from "horse back" or "rider"; also, look back at posts 290 and 291. You'll see that the modern english word for The Game is, of course, chess; the Old English word was "esches"; the French word is "echecs". Note the similarity with the proto Indo-European word "ekhos".

Davidson's book on chess history contained a frontspiece that showed a map of Europe and part of the middle east and Asia, and the words for "chess" in all those countries' languages. To the best of my recollection, all or almost of the European words were very similar to echecs, esches, and ekhos!

What if The Game originally took its name from "ekhos" or "horse", and not the Indian Chaturanga (four-detachment) and the Persian Shatranj. Isn't "ekhos" a lot closer to "chess", "esches", etc. than "shatranj", which is the word historians hold out as devolving into our "chess"?

What do you think?! Think about how important horses were to the ancient peoples...

LOL! Well, my formerly missing post from Saturday night has just shown up as 496! I was having a real good time at the time, perhaps you can tell! Better late than never, darlings!

By the by, isn't it interesting that Alice is a water sign. Vicky, what "sign" are you? Mark, do you know what "sign" Ron Adams is? Wonder if we have an "astrological" balance just like we have a general balance of females/males???

Jan Newton - 07:32pm Apr 5, 1999 MST (#499 of 506)

This is getting too wierd to believe. I posted what I thought was going to be 499, to leave the honors of #500 to one of my fellows or fellowesses, and what'd ya know, 499 didn't show up! So, here we go again. If you want to see a really good map of anicient "Urartu" (the circa 4500 BCE kingdom, not the neo-Urartu from circa 1000 BCE), then go to noahsarksearch.com/urartu.htm. I know, I know, Noah's ark ad nauseum, but this is a good map, I promise! The Caspian Sea to the northeast doesn't show, but the most important features do. According to my venerable B. Encyclopedia, "Eden" was somewhere in the area between Lake Van to the south and Mt. Ararat to the north. Fitting, then, that the Ark should just "happen" to land somewhere in the general vicinity... Perhaps Adam and Even played chess too....

Ref 498 Jan ... Ron is a "Libra".

Speaking of Horses in the book "Genisis The First Book of Revelations" by David Wood there is reference to the "Ass of Set" on a map page 178. Recall story of Set & Horus. This book talks about the Templars in an area in France called "Rennes-le-Chateau". On page 273 it suggests Diane was another name for Isis and I stated several posts ago about Goddess Diane in Bible's Acts 19:22-35 and it seems that people were told by Paul that they should not worship goddess Diane (Isis).

"Diane Isis" = 44 (9 numerology)

"Xena" = 44 (26 numerology)

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