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Jan Newton - 09:05pm Apr 5, 1999 MST (#501 of 505)
Marcus Arelius, I don't ask that people worship me, only that they kiss my foot (or die)... Ahem. The Ephesian Diana episode in Acts is most intriguing. Paul and his cohorts caused an uproar, but it seemed based in ECONOMICS; the people who caused the riot, recall, were the silversmiths who profited from selling silver images of the Goddess to pilgrims who came to the city to worship at the Great Temple of Diana (this brings to mind Georgia's recent post about the Muslim pilgrims going annually to Mecca on the Hai'j. One must always look to who's making money out of what.) When Paul and company started preaching salvation and reconcilation to Jehovah/Yahwe
h (the Unknown God) through Jesus Christ, and converting mucho acolytes, they cut into the profit base big time (remember, in the early days, the apostles and disciples were operating under MONDO Holy Spirit and had a definite way with words, almost as good as me!) The silversmiths therefore conspired with the leaders of the local Jews (who naturally had a thing against Paul, a traitor extraordinaire to their very own ranks, and a learned man, to boot! Oh my!) to get rid of Paul and his cohorts "in crime" by the best means possible: "Us against Them!" Still used very effectively today, I might add. However, Jehovah/Yaweh intervened (indirectly) through common sense and the defense of Paul and his cohorts by one of the local yokels was successful! Only goes to show you, you never know!!! As to horses, I wasn't thinking so much in "Armegeddon" type terms, as in much more practical terms, such as in agriculture (feed me first, and then I'll fight) and in warfare...
Jan Newton - 09:22pm Apr 5, 1999 MST (#502 of 505)By the Way, Marcus, you were #500! Congratulations, mon ami! You and Mer have just won an all expenses paid trip to DISNEY WORLD courtesy of Art Bell!!! (Only, let him know first, and then tell him to call me, okay?) We have results, mes amies, results! I am not just a lawyer extraordinaire as well as a femme fatale, I am also busy with my little fingers typing away day and night for your benefit! Recall that I posted a few days ago that in my researches I had come across a site sponsored by "7 gentlemen" who were also heavily involved in Chess History. My unique way with words (as well as my goddess-type powers and beauty) has yielded fruit!!! I have heard from not one, but two, yes, two, of the original seven gentlemen who are the progenitors of the "Initiative Group Koenigstein", Messieurs Gerhard Josten (a published author, no less) from Germany and Ricardo Calvo, from Spain. The CIA has now gone international! M. Josten peeked in on "our" site and was impressed enough, and kind enough, to send me an e-mail proposing an exchange of information and a possible collaberation on our mutual findings. M. Calvo also kindly offered to answer any inquiries about what he had posted at the IGK website, although most of his materials are in Spanish (his e-mail was, however, in excellent English). The IGK website address is: www.netcologne.de/~nc-jostenge/josten.htm. I highly recommend that you check out the site, tres interesting, and will give us food for discussion for at least the next 1000 posts. Darlings, can I cook, or what?
Mark Borcherding - 04:31am Apr 6, 1999 MST (#503 of 505)
dare to dream upon your own star
E F L A B G K C D H J I Leonardo & Chess,
If you take Leonardo's diagram of a person the popular one with arms & legs in positions.
The outer arms and legs touch a circle and the inner arms and legs touch a square. If you
turn the square unto a chess board then the center four squares of the chessboard (a,b,c,d)
(2nd pyramid giza) go from stomach area to right above the knee. The very center of the chessgrid
would be directly on penis or vagina. The center of the circle would be around the belly-button
"navel" about where E&F meet A&B."ABCDEFGHIJLK" = 51 + 12 letters + 1 = 64
What happens when we mirror our numbers: 15 + 21 + 1 = 37
37 + 27 = 64
Jan Newton - 10:47am Apr 6, 1999 MST (#504 of 505)Mark, was there a particular reason why you put the letters into the chess grid in the way you did?
Mark Borcherding - 01:13pm Apr 6, 1999 MST (#505 of 505)
dare to dream upon your own starRef 504 ... Jan, I placed the letters in that order because that is how they were in the digram in a "Flower of Life" book I just recently got. It did not mention a chess board but I counted the squares in their grid and it was 8x8.
Did the order have any significance to you?
Notice the pattern forms a Celtic cross or mandala and there are two sets of 8 squares one set top to bottome and the other set left to right and this means the 4 center squares are used twice. This would be where the 2nd pyramid is on the chessboard that Philip pointed out.
Vickie Ramirez - 03:26pm Apr 6, 1999 MST (#506 of 517)
O Music! In your depths we deposit our hearts and souls. Thou hast taught us to see with our ears, and hear with our hearts.Hi Jan, RE post 498: I am a Gemini. I am curious to see how we balance out, too. Neat info about the other chess history group you have contacted. Synchronistic! Just finished reading both of Katherine Nevils Books; The Eight and The Magic Circle. Just could not put them down.
Ilumani
Mark Borcherding - 06:08pm Apr 6, 1999 MST (#507 of 517)
dare to dream upon your own starRef 506 Ilumani & Jan
"Katherine" = 46
"The Eight" = 46 [mirrored] = 64 = 8x8
"The Magic Circle" = 71 [mirrored] = 17 and 71+17=88
Guess I have a couple more books I need to read :)
Jan Newton - 08:30pm Apr 6, 1999 MST (#508 of 517)Mark, until I read Neville, other than learning the fundamentals of the game, that was the only contact I'd had with The Game and its Herstory. I recently re-read "The Eight", and had even more appreciation for the depth of Neville's research than before, when I was a "Chess Ignoramus"! Vickie, thanks for the info. I left the little chart I was making up with our "match-ups" at the office; I will post on it tomorrow, I think. Mark, when I looked at the chess grid/letter post, I got a "funny" feeling about it, but I can't explain what it is or what it means; only that I tried to figure out a different way to put the letters into the grid that makes sense to me, but I haven't been able to do it yet. The letters aren't "comfortable" with where I'm putting them, or something like that. I was doing it at the office to boot, not conducive to "mental" endeavors (this is not a joke!). By the way, what is the story involving a horse and Set and Horus? I don't think I'm familiar with that one.
One last thing, this may not mean anything, but then again, you never know. While I was researching the Mittani, the Hurrians, and Urartu, I came across an entry in a encyclopedia about the Hyksos. I vaguely remember learning about them eons ago in high school sophomore Ancient History. According to this entry, the Hyksos, whose origins are apparently yet unknown with any precision but suspected to be "from Palestine and Syria, ... were a Semitic people with a nomadic life style", had a temporary but lasting influence in Egypt in founding the 15th dynasty (1674-1567 BCE). They were later overthrown by a revolution of native Egyptians. The entry goes on to say that the Hyksos "came to have lasting influence on Egyptian military technique, as horse and chariot were introduced".
Well, knock me over with a feather. This is a much later date than what was put forth in the 1990 Scientific American article I sited a few posts ago, which set forth the domestication of the horse and use of the horse in wheeled vehicles for agricultural purposes as early as around 4000 BCE!!! I can't imagine that it would have taken over 2000 years before the "jump" was made from using horses for agricultural purposes to using them for warfare purposes. So, somebody is wrong on their dates. However, that's not the primary reason why I mentioned the Hyksos. It's the similarity in the name "Hyksos" and "erkhos" that struck me right off the bat, especially because one of the few things I did remember about the Hyksos was their association with horses and chariots. I wonder if the Hyksos were actually peoples from the region (or descendants of people from the region) that encompasses modern-day Armenia, and not a Semitic people at all? Anyone an historian on ancient peoples out there?
Jan Newton - 08:56pm Apr 6, 1999 MST (#509 of 517)Sorry folks, very tired tonight. I misspelled the proto Indo-European word for horse. It should be "ekhos", not "erkhos". Looked up "horse" in the venerable Webster's New Collegiate Dictionary circa 1977, and this is what it says:
[ME] hors, fr. OE; akin to OHG hros horse]... and then it goes on to explain what a horse is and different usages of the word. ME means Middle English; OE means Old English, and OGH means Old High German. I found it interesting in light of the 1990 article I'd read.
However, I also checked the definition of chess, which referred me to "check", and under check it says: [ME chek, fr. OF eschec, fr. Ar shah, fr. Per. lit., king; akin to Gk ktasthai to acquire]. I found that entry interesting too, because I thought the ancient Greek name for chess was zatrikion, played on a round board, but I could be wrong about that.
Philip Mistlberger - 11:41pm Apr 6, 1999 MST (#510 of 517)Mark, re 503, the link between the 2nd pyramid and that part of the grid is interesting as this hits exactly on the location of the kundalini (serpent) base in the Indian yogic system. And, since the 2nd pyramid has been linked to both Isis and the planet Venus, its tie in with the Skakti/kundalini serpent force is natural, as Shakti is a form of Isis/Venus. Thus, the 64 grid plotted on Leonardo's "man" verifies one of the symbolic meanings of the 2nd pyramid.
I don't know if this has been mentioned here, but both Georgia and I were born on the same day (both Pisces). A couple of fishes for the chess BBQ.
Jan, tell me the truth. You must be hiring someone to do all this research. You seem to have enough material for a trilogy, never mind one book.
Mark Borcherding - 06:03am Apr 7, 1999 MST (#511 of 517)
dare to dream upon your own starPhilip and Georgia that is neat, Pisces the fish. I was reading last night that the symbol for Christ was the Dolphin and was changed to the Fish by the Greek Orthodox Church.
On the chess - giza grid:
1 Great Pyramid Earth orbit 3 Balance (Male+Female) 2 2nd Pyramid Venus orbit 2 Female 3 3rd Pyramid Mars orbit 4 Male "earth venus mars" = 58
58 + 1+2+3 = 64 = 8x8 Chess connection
Interesting that Venus is called the "Morning Star" and people feel this relates to Christ
as well."Christ" = 32 so if we have a male and female then: "Christ Christ" = 64
"Chess", "Love", "Venus" all equal 18
5 + 18 + 18 + 18 + 5 = 64
Notice we have three 18's one for each pyramid and two 5's one 5 for male and
one 5 for female. The 5 symbolizes the pyramid 4 base points + 1 capstone and it
also symbolizes the 4 directions (east,north,west,south) and 1 center (balance).
Note as well 18 = 9+9 so there is a male and female 9 and look what happens
when we add the 5+9 = 14 which refers to 1 center/capstone & 4 directions/base points
again. 9 = 4 + 1 + 4 (144)
Jan Newton - 10:03am Apr 7, 1999 MST (#512 of 517)Pisces!?! I thought you were both Aquarians!!! Are you sure you're Pisces? I know, you're both cuspers! You realize, of course, that that screws up my entire estoric theory about our "signs". Oh well, back to the drawing board. Philip, I have been obsessed. I have been a researching maniac. I have been everywhere. Wait until I post about the Indus Valley connection I found, it will knock your socks off! Got to run but while I have it right in front of me I wanted to post the following information from Gerhard Josten:
The next meeting of the IGK will be held in Hamburg, Germany during November 99. If you want more information and about membership e-mail me and I will give you the particulars. (I don't know if it would be against the rules to post that info here, and I don't want to get into trouble - that's a switch, hey?) Going off to the bookstore to see if I can hunt down a copy of "The White Goddess" by R. Graves, which R. Calvo was kind enough to turn me on to...
Jan Newton - 11:05am Apr 7, 1999 MST (#513 of 517)I'm back from the bookstore, barely got out with my life! Actually spent less than $30 too! Georgia, there's a new archaeological publication out called "Discovering Archaeology". It comes out every other month and the publishers are "in partnership" with Scientific American! Looks like a winner. The March/April issue has articles on Cleopatra's Sunken Palace, the Silk Road (a new area of interest - the IGK postulates that chess may have arisen as a hybrid of several different games along the Silk Road, so I'm up to my eyeballs in research on THAT, too), Iron-Age forts (including an extensive look at that great fortress from the ancient kingdom of Urartu that can still be seen today in Armena - synchronicity at work once again since I'm continuing my researches there and will have more to post soon), and dogs (how could I possibly resist an archaeological magazine with dogs in it?) I also picked up Amanda Quick's latest regency romance! Boy, will I have fun tonight! Will have to order "The White Goddess" on line, this bookstore didn't have it. Also, not one single magazine on chess, but three, I repeat THREE rows of magazines on cars! Oh ick! No wonder the United States is in moral and cultural decline!
Jan Newton - 02:17pm Apr 7, 1999 MST (#514 of 517)Last post for the day, I'm taking the night off! Brief refresher course on astrological signs:
Fire Signs: Aries, Leo, Sagittarius Action-oriented, fire signs want to know when a problem arises so they can do something about it. If you want to make friends with a firey type, suggest an adventure you both can share.
Earth Signs: Taurus, Virgo, Capricorn Earth people are the most practical, oriented toward things they can see, touch and profit from. Their approach to life is conventional and conservative, so if you're a free spirit, keep your outrageous opinions to youself.
Air Signs: Gemini, Libra, Aquarius To people of the air, ideas matter most. If you want to impress them, show you're an original thinker who shares some of their opinions. And be prepared to walk your talk because they are ardent truth seekers.
Water Signs: Cancer, Scorpio, Pisces Water people are the dreamers, mystics and mind-readers of the zodiac. They live in their feelings, which run deep, and evaluate others by their passions and insights. Tap your creative gifts and share the watery ones' intuitive wisdom.
(Those aren't my words, borrowed them from Star Room Astrology).
So, here is the breakdown:
Vickie: Gemini (Air) Ron: Libra (Air) Alice: Cancer (W) Philip: Pisces (W) Georgia: Pisces (W) Mark: Leo (F) Jan: Leo (F)
Personally, I think we're all goofed up here, folks. I'm really not a Leo at all, I'm an earth sign! Imagine calling me a firey type. Ha! I'm nothing if not practical, conventional and conservative and profit-oriented (show me the money$$$). And Philip, all brains and intellect, nothing "dreamy" about him at all (are you sure you're a Pisces - maybe your momma fibbed to you). Mark seems to fit the Pisces type much more than his natal sign, Leo. Georgia seems right on.
Notice, not an earth sign in the lot of us, and 3 water signs! Also, look at the distribution pattern: female/male/female, etc. And the signs still all fall in order: AA, WWW, FF! Now what are the odds of that happening? And why are the three water signs all in a row, flanked by AA and FF?
Allright, let's see, we've got air, we've got fire, we've got water. What does it all add up to? A lot of smoke...
Mark, did you know that your diagram contains five squares of 4 each? I'm still trying to figure out why the alphabet in the chess grid thing is bugging me so much. I've tried it 3 different ways and it's still not right. My problem is where to put the y and z.
Philip Mistlberger - 03:15pm Apr 7, 1999 MST (#515 of 517)Jan, the Aquarian line is Feb 20, both Isis and I were born on the 22nd, so we're not even cusp, definite Pisces.
A confession: One of my hobbies has been astrology for many years, and I've done many readings for many souls. So, if I can get birth details from everyone (time of birth, date, and location), I'll see what the moon placements, conjunctions, Saturn placements, rising signs, and various interrelated aspects may point to (I'm assisted by a computer program). We may even be able to link this with the 64 grid.
"Brains and intellect?" Jan. Not really. (Well, okay, maybe a little). But, like a good Piscean, I'm strong emotionally and my first impulse is always to feel.
I see what we have none of here is Earth-element (Taurus, Virgo, Capricorn), and that brings a laugh, because this room at times as been more "out there" than any on the AB BBS.
With astrology, the "sun" sign is not as important as we are led to believe through "cookbook" astrology and newspaper columns. Just as important are the moon placement and ascendent (rising). For eg., I have moon in Leo, and am Aries rising, accounting for my fiery and aggressive aspects, of which I have plenty, and which the Piscean energy in me can get a bit freaked out by from time to time.
As an aside, speaking about chessboard grid patterns, one of the things I do in some of my personal growth workshops is lay out a person's natal chart on the floor, using pillows to represent the planets. Then, the person sits in the centre of the pattern, while 10 other people sit on the various cushions that are arrayed around the room in the positions of the planets. Then, through structured processes, the people begin to interrelate with each other, embodying the energies of the various planets. The result is always extraordinary (entertaining as well), being a microcosm of the life of the person who is sitting in the centre of the pattern.
Vickie Ramirez - 03:42pm Apr 7, 1999 MST (#516 of 525)
O Music! In your depths we deposit our hearts and souls. Thou hast taught us to see with our ears, and hear with our hearts.Hi Mark
RE Post 511:Pisces the fish. Mark said I was reading last night that the symbol for Christ was the Dolphin and was changed to the Fish by the Greek Orthodox Church.I found an interesting correlation between the fish sign, as Pisces in Astrology, the symbol for this Aeon that is just now ending, The Dying God and the Virgin (Virgo), as well as Christianity, and the Golden Mean. I got turned on to this when I was reading in The Eight about Pythagorus and Fibonacci Numbers. Since all of that relates to music and mathematics, I have been following where all that points. You may find the information that Phil Kent shares about this on his site The Orbit
Even the shape of the PHI sound looks like a fish shape.
http://www.eagle-net.org/phikent/chakra.htmlIlumani
Vickie Ramirez - 03:49pm Apr 7, 1999 MST (#517 of 525)
O Music! In your depths we deposit our hearts and souls. Thou hast taught us to see with our ears, and hear with our hearts.Jan thanks for all of you work. Interesting that there are no earth signs in our group and the all of the other signs are balanced male and female.
Phil, looking forward to what you come up with. DOB 5/31/51 9:42 A.M. Denver Colorado.
Ilumani
Mark Borcherding - 06:56pm Apr 7, 1999 MST (#518 of 525)
dare to dream upon your own starPhilip here is info for you:
Mark July 25, 1959 8:46PM Cuba City Wisconsin
Your astrology method sounds really cool and I believe you are right about looking at the "whole" astrology reading. I am excited thinking about what you will come up with.
Vickie yes I really like Kent's site and have contributed to him for his efforts. The Fish design also forms a "vesica pices" in which a cross maybe formed from golden ratio and I suspect this is why the fish pattern is used.
We could also look at peoples birth with the Mayan calendar and Vickie or I could do that.
Mark Borcherding - 05:50am Apr 8, 1999 MST (#519 of 525)
dare to dream upon your own starRef 514 ... Jan really good observation: "did you know that your diagram contains five squares of 4 each?" ... and if you envision each of those 4 squares within 1 big square then we have 5 squares of (1 big + 4 small) squares or 5x5=25
25 = 9+7+9 , "Chess" = 18 = 9+9
9 + 7 = 16 (black chess pieces) 7 + 9 = 16 (white chess pieces)
Notice the 7 in the center of (9+7+9) was used twice and we see that 16 = 1+6 = 7 there's our 7 again.
16 + 16 = 7+7 = 14 = 1+4 = 5 (back to 5)
Notice how we get Jan's 4 & 5 from 14?
Thanks Jan! That was fun.
Jan Newton - 10:41am Apr 8, 1999 MST (#520 of 525)Gee, Mark, don't mention it! Always glad to come up with some brilliant observation to help the weave along! Unfortunately, you lost me in the first sentence! Wouldn't there be 1 big square and 5 little squares? And this from a woman who thinks she can learn about magic squares? (Help, Ricardo Calvo, wherever you are). I have printed off tons of information on magic squares - stuff that a teacher is using to teach GRADESCHOOL students for pete's sake, about magic squares and math. I will master this, I WILL! My eyes are crossing just thinking about it! Ricardo says I must learn about these things before he will discuss his theories about magic squares and chess with me. Sigh, the things I do for the sake of the weave. And he wants me to read about Pythagoras too! Alice, help, where are you when I need you? A friend at the office gave me an article yesterday that I read coming down to the office this morning. It has absolutely and totally blown me away! Unfortunately, I couldn't find a website for the magazine, its in the February 1999 issue of Ambassador, written by Bennett Daviss, so I can't point you to a source to get a copy of the article. It's the most incredible stuff I think I've ever read, all about research on the heart being done by a group called HeartMath based in California. HeartMath does have a webside, www.heartmath.org, I found the site but I didn't have time to check it out, but it does list some articles (though not the one I read).
Anyway, just one of the things I learned from this article (direct quote here):
"The heart's electromagnetic signal can be measured several feet away from the body... Remarkably, experiments at the University of Arizona's Human Energy Systems Laboratory... have demonstrated that one person's heart signal can entrain another's electrical brain patterns and alter the recipient's moods. Another person's moods and attitudes can entrain our own bioelectrical rhythms and make us tense or tranquil. The effect leads some researchers to speculate that taking an instant dislike to a person is the result of clashing heart rhythms, while love is literally a matter of two hearts beating in harmony."
This is just one of the amazing things in the article! Imagine now two people sitting across from each other over a chessboard, and the implications. Imagine what could happen with two men playing the game; imagine what could happen with two women. Now, imagine what could happen if the players are of the opposite sex. Now, imagine if one of the players had mastered the techniques to "center oneself in the heart", and utilized those techniques during The Game. Or deliberately did just the opposite...
Jan Newton - 10:55am Apr 8, 1999 MST (#521 of 525)P.S. Thanks Vickie. It was easy enough to do, we just needed to collect the information, the rest worked out all by itself! By the way, Mark, do you know what year Ron was born? If it was in 1959, I'm retiring from the world and going into a nunnery to pray for world peace for the rest of my life. Now I have a new survey. How many of us are left handed? How many right handed? I am left handed for writing, but have learned to use the mouse for the computer righthanded, a miraculous feat. I even use it righthanded at home. I don't think, however, that that counts as being ambidexterous, so let's limit it to the hand we write with! Oh, and does anyone know what the percentage of the general population is one hand or the other??? That would be important in seeing whether we "beat the odds", so to speak. By the way, Philip, I have figured out something I don't think even you can do, darling! I don't think you can stand on your head while performing an emergency appendectomy with your right hand while playing Flight of the Bumble Bee on the pianoforte with your left, while simultaneously juggling a grizzly bear, a very hungry and angry grizzly bear, with your feet. However, if on the off chance you can do this, I think you should become a U.S. citizen and run for President in 2000.
Philip Mistlberger - 11:34am Apr 8, 1999 MST (#522 of 525)What, and go through what that poor fool has? I've hand enough troubles with my own interns, TVM.
Like yourself Jan, I'm also a left-hander who has learned to use a right-handed mouse. I think about 10% population is supposed to lefty, but we all know that this is the 10% that...oh, never mind, I don't want to insult the righties (some of my best friends are righties).
As for Ron, well, sadly, I received confirmation from my continuum sources that he has in fact been lost in a temporal loop, his atoms scattered horribly, back sometime in Caligula's Rome. One of his experiments went awry, apparently. Thus, I propose that this room be renamed the "Ron Adams Memorial Chess History-Goddess Site".
Re Magic squares, if anyone recalls, I made several posts on this topic way back a month or two ago. The Qabbalistic magic square of Hermes-Thoth is the chessboard square, 8X8.
Jan Newton - 02:52pm Apr 8, 1999 MST (#523 of 525)Philip, did the Hermes-Thoth magic square have numbers in it? I'm seeing numbers all over the place. Even in the tunafish sandwich I had for lunch today...I was counting the little shredded pieces of lettuce trying to discern patterns...7's and 8's are even now dancing before my eyes in front of my computer screen in 3-D. Last night I dreamed about trying to get the alphabet to make a coherent pattern in the chess grid. I'm going mad I tell you, mad... I should have known you were left handed. Ron Adams is like the title of that book "Gone But Not Forgotten". Perhaps if I learn enough about triangular numbers we can figure out a way to get him back from the ether... I won't be posting tonight, I'll be studying! Feels like I'm back in college, geez!
Jan Newton - 04:19pm Apr 8, 1999 MST (#524 of 525)Mark! The Bonnie Gaunt book is here! I can hardly wait to crack it open. On the way home tonight I solved the ancient Chinese riddle of Lo Shu, the turtle that could! That will be 15 sacrifices please, and not one sacrifice less! I have discovered the Fountain of Youth. It is studying mathematics! I have regressed to 11 years old and the sixth grade. If I see a Fibonnaci number on the street I'll cut it in two with my trusty sword. Then I'll reverse factor it back into its original polynomic form...
Vickie Ramirez - 05:44pm Apr 8, 1999 MST (#525 of 525)
O Music! In your depths we deposit our hearts and souls. Thou hast taught us to see with our ears, and hear with our hearts.Hi Jan, add me to your lefty list. I consider myself left handed, but I also mouse with my right hand and also play the violin right handed. But I sure can't write, draw or cut right handed.
The other night after spending an hour listening the the sound of the golden ratio on Phil Kent's web site while surfing through the rest of the material, when I went to sleep I dreamed all night about golden triangles, golden rectangles and the golden mean... must have been the sound echoing in my subconscious.
Ilumani
Mark Borcherding - 06:13pm Apr 8, 1999 MST (#526 of 535)
dare to dream upon your own starWell, I am also in the Lefty camp. Interesting that I also mouse with the right hand. That means we are in our "right" mind :) since the right hand side of the brain is connected to the left handed-ness. The right side is the "female" goddess side of the human brain.
Ron's birth was Oct 1, 1955 do not know time or location he uses Sept 30 however when he calculates Mayan birth info. I guess you don't have to be a Nun Jan, but we need your prayers for world peace as well as the whole Chess team and readers.
Jan the numbers are obviously singing to your mind and heart. They are magic. Bonnie's book will probably be alot of fun for you!!!
Georgia Albert - 07:27pm Apr 8, 1999 MST (#527 of 535)Ref. 520
Jan,
That is great information you posted about the heart. Ricardo, thank you for sharing it with us, you make a wonderful addition to the weaving, Welcome. Can we find out what Ricardo's birthday is?
I am right handed, I use my scratch pad mouse with either hand:)
LOVE
G
May Manna Always be with You.
Jan Newton - 08:15pm Apr 8, 1999 MST (#528 of 535)I'm back! You people, you've got me addicted! This is all your fault and I'm holding each and every one of you personally responsible if I go to my grave in the next week with a math book clutched close to my heart! 888 Jesus Christ. Mark, how do like them apples? (I am not being blaphemish -- is that a word? I'm too tired to care!) So, we have 4 of 7 lefties so far. At least Ron had the decency to be born in a year other than 1959! Geez. Very interesting that all of the lefties use the mouse right handed. What the hell do you suppose THAT means? G, I will ask Ricardo what hand he uses to write, and to mouse! I just got "binged" for an e-mail. It's probably Ricardo with a list for my next week's homework and extra-curricular reading! I may qualify for an honorary PhD by the time (if ever) this is finished! Ilumani, do you know about math? Come over and visit me... Oh, by the way, Phillip, you were right on with your estimate of 10%. I found a most informative site that said something like estimates for lefthandedness range from 2 - 30% in the population at large, depending upon what "definition" one uses, but the general consensus is 10%. I'd say, darlings, we've got the odds beat all to flinders! I'm too tired to do exact math, 4/7th equals approximately 55%! Help, I'm going mad, I tell you, mad...
Jan Newton - 09:06pm Apr 8, 1999 MST (#529 of 535)I am mad, absolutely and irrevocably mad. It WAS Ricardo. His birthdate is 10/22/43. Sorry, don't have a time. He said in a prior e-mail he was a Libra but Philip, if the 20th is the cut-off date, wouldn't that make Ricardo the next sign over? I don't know anything at this point!!! I thought I read eons ago that the cut-off was either the 21st or the 22nd (that's why I called you and G "cuspers"). What's right??? I have no new homework, which is a great relief! Query: what would happen if you had a woman on one side of the chessboard with the "right heart condition" and a man at the other side of the chessboard with the "wrong heart condition"? Whose electromagnetic heart vibrations would be stronger?
Mark Borcherding - 07:16am Apr 9, 1999 MST (#530 of 535)
dare to dream upon your own starRef 528 Jan 888 is a number associated with Christ and I recall that Ron is also left-handed :)
8 x 8 x 8 = 512 , 5+1+2 = 8
recall the 8th mayan glyph is "Lamat" yellow star and it symbolizes Venus the "morning star". 888 thus is 3 stars and we see 3 large pyramids on the Giza plateau and the center pyramid appeared to represent Isis/Venus according to Philip's cool chessboard overlay on Giza.
Notice what happens when we take 64 chess squares 6+4=10 (10 + 8 = 18)
18 = these words "Chess" , "Love" , "Venus" when converted to number.
Jan Newton - 10:31am Apr 9, 1999 MST (#531 of 535)Mark, I got the 888 directly from Bonnie Gaunt's book, which I started last night. Interestingly, she uses either the Hebrew or the Greek in which the Scriptures were originally written to do her numerical analyses. 8's and 9's are very powerful numbers, apparently. It seems only logical that we would see a great deal of them in The Game. We now have 6 of 7 postees reported in on their handedness, we must await Alice's return from the road. So far, we have 5 lefties and 1 righty (Georgia is a distinct minority right now), a percentage of 71% approx. lefties. Does this strike anyone besides me as strange, particularly given the 10% lefties in the general population? Mark, picking up on your earlier comment about "right-brained", that's what I was wondering about myself when I decided to conduct our little survey; given the nature of our subject matter and the focus of our various observations, hypotheses and researches, it seemed logical to me that there would be more "right-brainys" than "left-brainys" in our group. I was not prepared for such an overwhelming number, however! That may in part explain why we appear at times to be closely psychicly connected! Philip, my guess is that you know a lot about the right-brain/left-brain dichotomy. Would you care to educate us a bit more on the subject?
Jan Newton - 10:38am Apr 9, 1999 MST (#532 of 535)By the way, Gaunt says 8 is the equivalent of "life", "resurrection", and "beginning". Remember Neville's The Eight and what the 8 was - a pattern encoded on the Montglane chessboard that lead to the deciphering of an elixir that granted eternal life! An interesting connection, n'est pas?
Mark Borcherding - 11:07am Apr 9, 1999 MST (#533 of 535)
dare to dream upon your own starJan page 134 of Gaunt's book and note I added the last
column to the table its not in the book. Recall 37 relates to
Hydrogen and 27 relates to Light.
1 x 37 = 37 1 3 x 37 = 111 3 6 x 37 = 222 6 9 x 37 = 333 9 12 x 37 = 444 3 15 x 37 = 555 6 18 x 37 = 666 9 21 x 37 = 777 3 24 x 37 = 888 6 27 x 37 = 999 9 Hydrogen has atomic weight of 1.008
see our 18 = "Love" in there? and
1+0+0+8 = 9.999 = 9+9+9 = 27 = Light
Philip Mistlberger - 12:13pm Apr 9, 1999 MST (#534 of 535)Jan, without getting boringly technical, split-brain research began back in the 1950s with Sperry's work with cats and monkeys, and developed into a technique to relieve suffering for epileptics who weren't responding to drugs. Sperry made certain discoveries that seemed to suggest a left brain-logic, right-brain-non verbal (intuitive-creative) dichotomy that grew into a bit of a cultural myth, because the latest research has cast some doubt on the whole thing. The brain hemispheres seem able to compensate for each other, and if completely disconnected surgically, do not impair a person's ability to function normally.
It is now suspected that "logic" is present in the right hemisphere as well, though seemingly dominant in the left. "Intuition/creativity" appears to not be the exlusive property of the right hemisphere. What this means is that we are a gradation of left or right brained, not simply left or right brained only. If none of this sounds terribly convincing, that's because brain research is still in its primitive stages. (Any neuroscientists reading that last remark -- and my brother is one -- would probably get cheesed off, but let 'em eat corpus callosum).
Now that everyone is asleep, I'll give the numbers of the Mercury-Hermes-Thoth Magic Square, from left to right, top row to bottom (8X8=64 grid):
8-58-59-5-4-62-63-1
49-15-14-52-53-11-10-56
41-23-22-44-45-19-18-48
32-34-35-29-28-38-39-25
40-26-27-37-36-30-31-33
17-47-46-20-21-43-42-24
9-55-54-12-13-51-50-16
64-2-3-61-60-6-7-57
Notice that the sum of each line is 260.
The sum of the whole square is 2080.
The sum of the perimeter is 910.
The sum of the four corners is 130.
I've not sat down and analyzed these numbers closely but I'm sure much can be unlocked re the chessboard geometry, Giza, etc.
Georgia Albert - 02:36pm Apr 9, 1999 MST (#535 of 535)I was wondering, does the left side of the body relate to the Goddess energy? I remember hearing, about the dark ages, people that were left handed were concidered bad. In fact if a child used their left hand to write or eat, they would get hit and were forced to use their right hand. I know this for a fact because the teachers did it to my grandmother when she was small.
Manna for thought.
LOVE
G
May the Hand of the Goddess Always be with You.
Mark Borcherding - 04:07pm Apr 9, 1999 MST (#536 of 555)
dare to dream upon your own starPhilip, I put you numbers into a table format.
Mercury-Hermes-Thoth
Magic Square
8 58 59 5 4 62 63 1 49 15 14 52 53 11 10 56 41 23 22 44 45 19 18 48 32 34 35 29 28 38 39 25 40 26 27 37 36 30 31 33 17 47 46 20 21 43 42 24 9 55 54 12 13 51 50 16 64 2 3 61 60 6 7 57 Notice that each row,column, or diagonal sums to 260
and 260 is the number of kin in the sacred Mayan
Tzolkin 13 tones x 20 glyphs = 260.Great Pyramid: 63 + 1 + 10 + 56 = 130
2nd Pyramid: 29 + 28 + 37 + 36 = 130
3rd Pyramid: 17 + 9 = 26Great pyramid + 2nd pyramid = 260
3rd pyramid = 26In the Mayan tzolkin kin 130 is "13 Oc" or
White Cosmic Dog and carries power of Heart.
Which is what happens when King & Queen and
the 3rd pyramid is the child 26 a fractal of 260.
Jan Newton - 07:37pm Apr 9, 1999 MST (#537 of 555)G, I don't know about lefthandedness being related to goddess energy, I only know that with a left-handed father and a right-handed mother, out of 6 children, 3 are very left-handed, 1 writes with left hand but is otherwise ambidexterous, and 2 are right-handed. We drove the nuns nuts! I can still remember Sister Elvira (I'm not kidding, that was her name, the old squint) whacking me constantly with the ruler in 4th grade because I didn't hold my pencil the "right" way and my letters didn't slant the "right" way. Well, I learned to slant my letters the "right" way, but like many other lefties, it looks like I have cerebral palsy when I'm writing, the way my left hand is twisted almost upside down to get the right slant on the letters. People constantly ask me "how can you write like that?" It looks very tortured because IT IS very tortured. I suspect the whole left/right thing came about because of certain scriptures about the sheep being passed to the right and thus into the kingdom of God, and those shunted off to the left departing into everlasting cutting-off. The MIV way back when decided that "left" equated with "evil" and "devil", and that was that; the prejudice has continued down to this day. Of course, things weren't helped by the fact that whatever genetic factors determine "handedness" only appear on average in 10% of the population. My guess is that handedness may run in families - look at mine, for example. 4 out of 6 siblings are left handed, with only 1 left handed parent.
Philip, because Gaunt is fresh in my mind, the 260 jumped out at me immediately from post 534. 260 is the measure of something called the "ancient Egyptian remen", and since it is connected with the Thoth Magic Square, that would make perfect sense. Also, the value of the Tetragrammaton (Jehovah/Yahweh) is 26. The Hebrews thought 26 a very significant number, representing the creator of the universe.
Notice both numbers reduce to 8. Also:
2080 divided by 260 = 8
910 divided by 260 = 3.5 = 8 (3 + 5)
Mark, although I wasn't able to duplicate the 111, 222, 333, etc. sequence of numbers, I suspect that any number up to a certain value will produce the same pattern sequence of 3, 6, 9, 3, 6, 9, etc. if you multiply it by multiples of three. I filled in the blanks between Gaunt's numbers with 2x37, 4x37, 5x37, 7x37, 8x37, 10x37, 11x37, etc. and the pattern that developed was 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9, 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9, etc.
I picked a number out of air, 19 (my birth day), and tried multiplying it out 1 through 10 and got the same sequence of numbers when reduced: 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9, etc. Also, when the multiples of 3 are looked at, the same 3,6,9 pattern emerges (3x19=57=3, 6x19=114=6, 9x19=171=9). I'm not going to sit up all night doing multiplication tables, but I suspect the patterns are a function of the multiplication process itself and not due to any inherent unique value in the number being multiplied. It is very cool, though. I also tried 57, and that was very interesting: 1x57=57=3; 2x57=114=6; 3x57=171=9; 4x57=228=3; 5x57=285=6;6x57=342=9; etc. notice 9x57=513=9; 12x57=684=9; ... 27x57=1539=9. So, there is a number somewhere between 37 and 57 where the basic pattern changes from 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9 and multiples of 3 produce 3,6,9, etc., to 3,6,9,3,6,9 and multiples of 3 produce only 9's. Too tired to hunt for the number tonight. I'm sure there must be an easy way to do it! Georgia, why don't you hunt for the magic number, you told me you're good at math!
Philip, am I correct in saying that present research equates "handedness" with left-brain or right-brain orientation, but that differentiation between left- and right-brain functions aren't as pronounced as researchers first thought?
Also noticed in the original pattern Mark duplicated 1,3,6,9,3,6,9, etc. that there is a Knight move in there: move 1 (start with 3), then 2 (skip 2 numbers, 4 & 5), move 1 (start with 6), then 2 (skip 2 numbers 7 & 8), etc. It produces an "L" shape, so to speak. At first I thought that might be tied into the property of hydrogen in conjunction with another element, oxygen (h20 = water, necessary for all life on earth), but I couldn't discover that oxygen had a physical constant number like hydrogen does, so I couldn't determine oxygen's "value" in comparison to hydrogen. Too tired to think anymore tonight. I'm going to plop in bed and read myself to sleep with Quick's latest juicy regency romance. Yum!
Mark Borcherding - 08:11pm Apr 9, 1999 MST (#538 of 555)
dare to dream upon your own starRef 537 Jan the fact that you can pick any number and then find a simple pattern that always works seems to indicate something. What does Guant's book say about 9?
I believe the handedness relation to the brain is probably changing it is not constant. In other words as we move into our new age our brains unify more and more. Imagine the power of a Chess player with both rational logic and intuition combined.
Jan Newton - 08:49pm Apr 9, 1999 MST (#539 of 555)Mark, too tired to think anymore tonight. I believe Gaunt said 9 is a perfect number representing completion and wholeness and all, or something to that effect. I had read several months ago when I first starting researching the history of chess that the Persians developed the multiplication tables from the chess grid. I find that a little hard to believe, given the sum total of all prior knowledge of mathematics that existed up to the point the Persians supposedly inherited The Game from India. (for example, how could the pyramids have been constructed, or Stonehenge, without knowledge of the multiplication tables?) I suspect Ricardo may be closer to the truth than anyone knows when he relates the moves of the chess pieces to pure mathematics. What happens when you lay out a triangulate number on the chessboard? What would the moves of the pieces be if they moved along the lines created by a triangulate number? I'm going mad, I tell you, mad...
Jan Newton - 08:51pm Apr 9, 1999 MST (#540 of 555)P.S. Mark, I think we may have created the ultimate chess player right here in the group. The group IS the ultimate chess player. Think about it...
Mark Borcherding - 07:40am Apr 10, 1999 MST (#541 of 555)
dare to dream upon your own starRef 540 ... Jan interesting observation "the group is the ultimate chess player".
If we combine all 8x8 sqaures we have "one" board. All the pieces sharing the
same goal and making the moves based upon the "one" player.8 x 8 = 64 squares
16 + 16 = 32 pieces
1 + 1 = 2 players
1 = 1 board
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99Recall when converted to number what the following are?
Love , Chess both = 1818 + 81 = 99
The Goddess is within All , Dance like a Queen
Jan Newton - 03:54pm Apr 10, 1999 MST (#542 of 555)Mark! You are a genius! I love that 99. I think you should send a letter right off to Bonnie Gaunt; maybe SHE'LL get interested in our little group too and join the weave! I had a very interesting e-mail from Gerhard Josten today. Gerhard and I share a fascination with the very first and ancient kingdom of Babylon founded by Nimrod. In fact, that is where Gerhard first started his search for evidence of the origins of chess, just like I did! Gerhard has found a very interesting connection: Cush (Kush) was the father of Nimrod and a grandson of Noah. Gerhard told me that in old India, the king in chess was called "k'sh", and that he connects the word's meaning to "Kush". Also, the Indians called the squares of the chessboard "k'sh-tagara", which means granary [king's granary?], or "fertility squares". He sees an originating connection with fertility and especially with Venus, in all of her various forms (as we have discussed here), tracing Venus back to Inanna (who is the original "goddess" incarnation of Semiraimis, Nimrod's queen!) This makes perfect sense to me, much more so than that chess originated from "chata-ranga" or "four-detachment" with its military and warlike emphasis. (Perhaps this was a later masculine-oriented permutation, to make The Game acceptable to the male rulers of the time). Thus, chess takes on multiple aspects of life as a whole, in all of its activities, rather than being restricted to simply a military exercise in strategy and tactics.
Gerhard also hypothesizes that the officers in chess were once other goddesses and gods which at the time were manifested in the stars (planets): Kush was Saturn, Nimrod was Jupiter, Ishtar (Inanna) was Venus, Ham (one of Noah's sons) was the Sun (notice the close connection with one of Noah's immediate offspring with the source of life). Also, he identifies Gilgamesh with Mercurius. This also makes perfectly good sense to me. When I originally read Gerhard's "My Actual Conclusions in 1998" from the IGK site, I was struck by this sentence: "The origin of the group of officers seems to be more tricky, as they are not found in board games other than chess". My immediate reaction, which I wrote down in the margin of the print-out of the pages I'd done was "they are the royal court!". As Isis would say, manna for thought...
Jan Newton - 04:31pm Apr 10, 1999 MST (#543 of 555)Here I go again. Multiple postings! Do you remember the story about Joseph in the court of Pharaoh? Joseph successfully interpreted a dream that Pharaoh had about the 7 fat cows (7 bountiful years of harvests) and then 7 lean cows (7 years of famine). In the end, Joseph (with Pharaoh's concurrence) ordered that the temple granaries be opened and the wheat stored there shared with the hungry peoples! And those fat old priests were ticked off big time! The point is how important, utterly and absolutely important, FOOD (grain) was to rulers who wished to stay in power. Remember, many posts back I said "feed me and then I'll fight for you". That's the truth! (once again rockin' out to the sounds of the one, the only, the incomparable Robert Palmer...)
Think of North Korea today, on the verge of anarchy because of at least 5 years of continued famine; the population is starving to death, and is being kept under control only by force of the military machine. And they aren't in too good of shape either, from the very little news that manages to get out! Defections right and left. Remember ancient Rome, feeding bread to "the mob" to keep them complacent? Remember Esau, selling his birthright to Jacob for a pot of stew? Remember the "Venus of Willendorf", dating back to what, at least 14,000 BCE (I posted about her once, but I don't recall the exact date anymore), with the 7 little nobs around her head, forming a crown of sorts (7 being a holy number), the archetypical fertility goddess -- connected with grain harvests...
This is all, of course, speculation based upon known historical patterns and practices. It makes sense though (though "hard science" often doesn't look much for sense, just like certain senior partners I have to deal with on occasion!) FROM A PRACTICAL STANDPOINT. If chess is as ancient as we here believe, then there would be plenty of time for The Game to evolve and incorporate mathematical aspects as well -- or perhaps those aspects were there right from the very beginning.
What do you think? A final comment. A bit earlier today while I was doing some further research on the Mittani (I WILL post about them eventually), I ran across a most interesting site that started with an e-mail inquiry from a teacher to an "expert" on the so-called "Aryan invasion" theory. I didn't read the whole site, there was far too much material to digest in one sitting and since I judged it marginal to my focus, I didn't print it out. However, I think it worthy of note because the "discussion" rather quickly, for so-called "scholars", broke down to rarified name-calling and ridiculing of each other's positions re the subject matter! I was amazed, appalled and amused, in equal measures. I'll take our little group any day over the so-called experts!
By the way, Philip, on the Thoth Magic Square, I note that the diagonals are based on multiples of 7 (upper left to lower right) and 9 (upper right to lower left). Very cool! I could not immediately pick out any other discernible patterns. It appears I have yet to do more studying before I am ready to discuss Ricardo's mathematical theories with him!
Jan Newton - 07:16pm Apr 10, 1999 MST (#544 of 555)This is the last post for the night, I swear (famous "last words" of Xena Newton!) Upon Gerhard's recommendation, I looked in at a column on chess history written by Gary Thomas (at another site which will remain unnamed here) and was very impressed. I have invited him to look us over. As a "hard" historian, he may have very valuable contributions to make to keep us on track, so to speak. On the other hand, we may totally seduce him to our way of thinking about The Game! Good night, darlings. I hope you all will dream about the ancient kingdom of Urartu tonight! Think Chess Connections...
By the way, Illumani, you might be interested in the following, as I know your passion in life is music.
Chess Trivia: Philidor, French (and) "chess champion" for nearly 50 years, as well as leading operatic composer of France for 20 years (tie-in music and chess/mathemathetics, as we have discussed earlier in this site). Got turned on to The Game by being told what "the odds of the Rook" were when he was a mere 18 year old musical student! Philip, what the heck are "the odds of the Rook"?
More Chess Trivia: French dominance in The Game continued in the 18th and early to mid-19th centuries. Note, for one, Alexander L. H. L. Deschapelles (1870-1847), who lost his RIGHT HAND while fighing in Napoleon I's army. (Note, therefore, he had to have played with his left hand, the only one he had!!!) It is said Deschapelles was a great braggart...and he felt that the study of books on chess theory and strategy were disdainful! (Sounds like a "homme" after my own heart!)
Mark Borcherding - 07:53pm Apr 10, 1999 MST (#545 of 555)
dare to dream upon your own starJan regarding:
the king in chess was called "k'sh"
The mayan name for our sun is Kinich Ahau "k'sh" = "kini'ch"
"Urartu" = 99 (26 numerology) = 27 (9 numerology) How about that for a connection :) and of couse 72 + 27 = 99 ... I am already dreaming and not even sleeping yet!
Jan Newton - 09:26pm Apr 10, 1999 MST (#546 of 554)I can always count on you, Marcus Arelius, to come up with the "numbers" on any given topic! That is absolutely fascinating about the Mayan term "Kinich Ahau". Do you by chance happen to know what the Mayan terms might be for "counsellor" or "advisor", also "warrior", "shield bearer","foot soldier" or the equivalent? Did Kinich Ahau have a female consort? If so, what was her name?
Vickie Ramirez - 10:31pm Apr 10, 1999 MST (#547 of 554)
O Music! In your depths we deposit our hearts and souls. Thou hast taught us to see with our ears, and hear with our hearts.I'll jump in here before Mark to respond to your question about possible Mayan correlations may be.
Queen = Muluc or maybe Lamat
Warrior = Cib
Counselor = IX
Pawn = EB
Rook = Ben
I look forward to Mark's slant on this.
Philip Mistlberger - 01:03am Apr 11, 1999 MST (#548 of 554)Some preliminary results for 6 current CH posters (don't have Ron's full info, but I believe that the temporal distortion may have altered his vital numbers anyway. According to the distortion equations he was now born in circa 6.3 million BCE, for which I am unable to compute the numbers, carbon dating notwithstanding). For the rest,
Georgia (2/22/51) Sun=Pisces(water), Moon=Virgo(earth), Rising=Capricorn(earth); Mutable Yin Water-Earth-Air type.
Vickie (5/31/51) Sun=Gemini(air), Moon=Aries(fire), Rising=Leo(fire); Cardinal Yang Fire-Air type.
Jan (8/19/51) Sun=Leo(fire), Moon=Pisces(water), Rising=Leo(fire); Fixed Yang Fire-Earth type.
Philip (2/22/59) Sun=Pisces(water), Moon=Leo(fire), Rising=Aries(fire); Mutable Yin Water-Fire type.
Alice (6/27/59) Sun=Cancer(water), Moon=Aries(fire), Rising=Virgo(earth); Cardinal Yin Water-Fire type.
Mark (7/25/59) Sun=Leo(fire), Moon=Aries(fire), Rising=Aquarius(air); Fixed Yin/Yang Fire-Earth type.
The breakdown for the group in element concentration for the all-important sun/moon/ascendent energy, and the corresponding psychological functions associated with them is:
Fire-Spiritual-Intuition = 50%,
Water-Sentimental-Feeling = 22%,
Earth-Practical-Sensation = 17%,
Air-Abstract-Thinking = 11%.
Thus, the primary concentrated energy of this group is distinctly spiritual/intuitive, secondarily sentimental/feeling.
I wanted to look at Mercury placements as well, as the chessboard grid is the Magick square of Mercury. For the Mercury placements we have
Georgia--Aquarius(thinking)
Vickie--Taurus(practical)
Jan--Virgo(practical)
Philip--Pisces(feeling)
Alice--Cancer(feeling)
Mark--Leo(intuitive)
This is a good balance of functions. Mercury (Hermes/Thoth) is communication and ideas, primarily. From the above, what it suggests is that Georgia can "seed" a concept or abstract principle (thinking), Jan and Vickie are well inclined for thorough and enduring research (practical), Philip and Alice go with their passion for organizing and expressing supplemental information (feeling), and Mark can provide a method and approach that leap-frogs over logic to a direct understanding (intuition).
I think we could all agree that the preceding makes sense, in light of what we've seen here.
Enough for now. Astrology readouts have incredible possible permutations and complexities, and I could be here until dawn if I don't stop. More later.
Mark Borcherding - 08:10am Apr 11, 1999 MST (#549 of 554)
dare to dream upon your own star
Ref 547 Vickie I think you did a great job and I will
just put what you did in a table and add the third column
which gives color/word symbolic of the mayan word in
column 2. I added king, knight, and bishop for fun, see what
you think.
Queen Lamat Yellow Star Warrior Cib Yellow Warrior Counselor Ix White Wizard Pawn Eb Yellow Human Rook Ben Red Skywalker King Ahau Yellow Sun Knight Akbal Blue Night Bishop Kan Yellow Seed Jan, Kinich Ahau may include male & female aspects
and another name for Kinich Ahau is "Velatropa 24".
Mark Borcherding - 08:29am Apr 11, 1999 MST (#550 of 554)
dare to dream upon your own starRef 548 Philip thank you for the work ... I was surprised that we did not see more Aquarius in there perhaps it is in another relationship somewhere. I had a feeling that people in the group have some Aquarius connection.
Mer does not have her birthtime but she is a Leo (Aug 4).
"Aquarius" = 35
35 + 53 = 88 (64+24=88) velatropa 24?
Ron has a spirit name "Atunmen Ra" = 35 and mine "Foton Fonon" = 53 seems to be an Aquarius connection there. My rising is Aquarius and Gloria's Mercury is Aquarius.
I wonder how Aquarius may weave thru our group?
The Sphinx looks from the "Age of Leo" to the "Age of Aquarius" ... hmmm... what if the sphinx actually connects the two together?
I talked with Ron yesterday and he may return from whatever time warp he was sucked and provide his current info.
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