Jan Newton - 10:58am Apr 19, 1999 MST (#601 of 602)

Alice, thanks for the info. The concept of Kundalini is another that keeps cropping up here. Mark, I am one of those people who see numbers as math only and as useful tools, and I don't go (or try not to go) beyond that. I'd rather think about words - I suppose I see words the same way you see numbers - just the way I'm wired together I think. And I sure don't laugh at numerology, although now I do wonder how different our present numerology system is based on the English alphabet in comparison to the systems used by the Hebrews and Greeks. I wonder if anyone has done a comprehensive analysis to see if the results are different based on the different numbering systems used.

I found out what a Queen's Gambit is - it involves offering a piece, usually a pawn, as a deliberate sacrafice while you're actually plotting to do something else. Interesting concept, although I confess I thought it was going to be something more exotic actually involving the Queen, like standing her on her head or something LOL! When I look at a chess information site and start to read, it doesn't take long before my eyes start to cross and smoke starts to pour out of my ears. I can confidently predice that I will NEVER be a ranked player. The game Georgia and I are playing will probably last for the next 50 years, we are having so much fun waltzing our pieces around the board trying to get our queens next to each other's kings without losing them!

Why does Chess = Love (18)? Good question. I have found my own very satisfying answers. I note in passing that the 18 = 1+8 = 9, Bonnie Gaunt's number for completeness. I wonder, if we put an article together with some of Mark's chess numerology in it, incorporating the concept of the goddess within the game and some of the information we've explored here, would it get published in a chess magazine? LOL!

Whoa! That was very wierd. I put together and posted what I thought was going to be #600, only to see that a post I'd forgotten I'd done from several days ago suddenly showed up today at #600! Well, so #600 is totally out of context, except it ended with the Queen's Gambit and in what I thought was going to be #600 there I am talking about the Queen's Gambit again! Do I get a prize for being #600 twice?

Jan ref 601 the is a geometry pattern that actually generates all of the alphabets ever used on Earth past, present, and future. Thus there are fundamental harmonics (numbers) that all alphabets contain. Think of how each letter in a word relates to the other letters to create the "whole" word. Similar to how notes (frequencies) create a song. I play with numbers like playing with crayons.

As you point out Jan

I must fundamentally disagree that "woman" is "subconsciousness".

CH-ild-ESS

Oh Mark, you are a knowing one! Guess what was waiting for me in the mail when I got home tonight? Not the four books I ordered on the Indo-Europeans and etymology, nooooo, but the OTHER one: A Beginner's Guide to Constructing the Universe - The Mathematical Archetypes of Nature, Art and Science! I'm tired just typing the title! Well, I will be a gamer and read it. The man took over 20 years to write the darned thing, and that effort alone is worth some homage! I confess it looks interesting - lots of pictures! So, the numerology is still okay even though we didn't carry over the Greek numbering system. You are the expert on numbers here, Marcus Arelius, so I will take your word for it as gold.

While I was hunting around last night for information on the Sumerian "holy wedding" of Ishtar and Tammuz, I ran across the poem (two versions, actually) of Ishtar's descent into the underworld, which was called "The Land of No Return". For some reason, that really struck a chord with me (just like trying to fit the alphabet into the chess grid in a way that makes sense; still haven't done it). I remember a movie by the name of "The River of No Return" with Marilyn Monroe and Robert Mitchum, and there is a song from Phantom of the Opera that talks about being "past the point of no return". So, intrepid researcher extraordinaire that I am I thought, what the heck, type in "Land of No Return" and see what happens. Bingo! There is an actual place called "The Land of No Return"! Don't you just love it! It is an island in the Republic of Kazakhstan called "Barsa Kelmes, which is translated 'the land of no return', located off the northwestern Aral Sea coast, also "the home of the rarest hoofed animal in the world - the kulan". Now, what on earth is a kulan? Any relation to an ekhos? I will see what I can find out.

At any rate, what if Ishtar actually did descend into the so-called underworld by going underground at an actual physical place - Barsa Kelmes! I wonder what's really there, hidden underneath the earth?

Guess what! A kulan IS related to the horse: its genus is Equus Hemionus Kulan! It's a sort of donkey, but I couldn't find a picture of it; however, I found a similar species' picture at www.iranian.com/PhotoDay/March98/last.html. Can I get a neeeiiiiiiggghhhhh! Or maybe that should be a "heeeeee haaawwwww". What if Ishtar was on "The Land of No Return" to find a lost family kulan -- or perhaps a jade representation of one???

Hi Jan: RE Post563: how could someone outlaw a musical note (D#)? Did Furia give any reference for this statement in his book? This is very interesting!

It was not the note that was outlawed, but that chord the Augumented 4th. Most particularly the A augmented 4th since it involves the D# which is 153Hz. This has special significance because it is known as the Mystic Chord. It and a number of other chords are outlawed by the church because they did not represent the trinity. I am still researching this so I will get back to you when I have more complete information.

Jan said: I don't understand about the Overtone Fifth. If an octave is 8 notes, why wouldn't you get back to the first note, only on a higher scale, on the 9th key? I will have to find someone to show me on a piano why this is so, I can't "hear" it in my head.

On a piano the keys are not tuned to the perfect overtone resonances. So the piano is imperfect in it's demonstration of the spiraling of the tones. It is not possible to use it to show the musical application of the spiral. A stringed instrument such as violin would be able to do so. A digital example would be the most clear way to help someone hear it. I do not have any soundfile that I can point you to at this time. Let me see if I can get you a sample to hear. I know that will help you.

Now for the Octave. In music most people think an octave to be a scale of 8 notes with the 8th note vibrating one octave or twice the frequency of the fundamental or beginning note. So each octave higher vibrates a twice the frequency of the previous. Let's use A as an example Starting with lowest A on the piano which is 27hz, the 2nd octave is 54hz, the 3rd octave is 108hz, the fourth octave is 216hz to the A above middle C is 432hz. So actually the octave is not the scale itself, but the tone the vibrates a twice the frequency of the fundamental tone or octave tone itself. Every note in a scale has octaves above and below it. Now look at the numbers for C octaves 32, 64, 128, 256, 512, 1024, 2054, 4108. Do you see any correlations to the chess board?

I want to share a synchronicity the happened today that relates to this discussion. Today while I driving I looked down at my odometer which had just turned over to 153000 miles. I was driving to clients house for an appointment. While I was there figuring up the cost of her window treatments, the price of the installation came to $153. When I saw this I knew that I would sell this nice big job today. And I did!

Ilumani

Jan I wonder if the "The Land of No Return", or underworld, or the many other names actually refer to the "Great Void" this is a zone between the octaves of dimensions where we are pure spirit and totally know we are "one" with god/goddess. Maybe possible we are in the final cycles of entering into this Void. Perhaps what the Mayan calendar end of cycle in dec 2012 is refering to. Seems the mayans had a thing for caves and the underworld their creation story Popul Vuh is all about some twins dealing with the underworld.

I will take your word for it as gold.

Mark, I will have to take a rain check on whether the three pyramids at Giza symbolize water - haven't gotten that far in Gaunt's book yet because I've been sidetracked by the hunt for the ekhos. However, I shall discipline myself, I shall, I shall. Interesting that you bring up H20; when I look at that formula I see the Knight's move! In the "Great Void", would one undergo actual experiences, or would it be like dreamless sleep? The reason I ask is because Ishtar experienced torture and death during her sojourn in The Land of No Return, and it took a rescue mission sent by the chief god to retrieve her and bring her back to life. It would be interesting to research Kazakhstan myths and legends to see what's connected with the island of Barsa Kelmes...I shall be disciplined, I shall...

Man, I must be more tired than I thought! Ilumani, the C octave has the chess numbers in it, 32 (number of pieces of both sides, 16 each) and 64 (number of squares on the board). Would you be able to make a musical composition out of the moves of the pieces in a game? Would it make "sense" to the ears, or would it be all discordant nonsense? Also noted your 153, very cool! Notice that 153 sums to 9, completeness!

Ref 608 Jan the "Great Void" is most likely depends upon your own spirit as to what exactly occurs. It is your creation. The Egyptian Mystery schools probably taught aspects of how to be ready to enter into that area and be prepared. I beleive they taught fearlessness so that you would not create out of fear. What happens when you create from fear?

Why do most people fear losing their Queen in the game of Chess?

Perhaps because they percieve it as the most powerful piece? without it they probably will lose and their fear then becomes a reality.

What happens if you are fearless? then you understand the power of each peice and work with what you have to create a unity of strength from the chess pieces that you have.

Speaking of Pyramids II... Where are the circles and the pyramids on the Chess board?

Ref. #612

Mark, the easy way to find a pyramid in a Chess Board is to get a U.S. Dollar bill and look at the pyramid on the back. Notice the bottom row of the pyramid, 8 blocks, there is your pyramid, Voila!

I went to a garage sale this weekend, yes, the Goddess goes to garage sales:-), and found a book written by the Shriners, the seal they use caught my eye, it shows a pyramid and in front of the pyramid is a female Sphinx in profile. This pyramid also has an 8 block base.

If we use the pythagorian therom A sq. + B sq. = C sq. we get 64 + 64 = 128, now use this as the diameter of a cirle. 128 * 3.14 = 401.92 circumference. I just need to know, is this for grade?

LOVE

G

May 13 Always be wth You.

I have been trying to find out more information about the island called "The Land of No Return" (Barsa Kelmes) in the Aral Sea, but no luck. I ran across an interesting reference in The White Goddess to "sacred islands" where the bodies of sacrificially killed kings were buried by the priestesses. I'm wondering if there is a connection. However, couldn't find anything on the 'net about Kazakh myths and legends, so...

I did find out a few interesting facts about the Kazakhs. They still practice "wife stealing", where the man simply kidnaps the woman of his choice and then holds up her family for the bride price! Ha! And then there's a very interesting game called Kokpar, which is apparently an ancestor of polo, played with a headless goat's carcass instead of a ball (I'm not kidding); also, qyz quu, a boy-girl horse chase - if a boy catches a girl he kisses her, if a girl catches a boy she beats him with her riding whip, all the while both of them riding hell bent for leather! Sounds like a fun game to me, a little like how I play Chess!

Mark, losing one's Queen would, to me, be akin to losing oneself . Thus, while I am generally brave, fearless and bold (some would say, foolhardy), I am very cautious when it comes to my Queen - at least, most of the time.

While it's still fresh in my mind, I want to post about Ishtar's descent to the Underworld. A little Sumerian humor: Why did Ishtar go to the Underworld? To get to the "Other Side"! Ha ha ha ha! Well, okay.... Apparently Ishtar suffered from a terminal case of curiosity and decided to go to the Underworld to see the funeral rites of Ereshkigal's husband. I won't go into all the gory details, but Ereshkigal ends up having Ishtar put to death in a very gruesome manner. Enki, one of Ishtar's god-type buddies, creates two special beings who go down to the Underworld and after they strike a bargain with Ereshkigal, they are allowed to take Ishtar's lifeless body and leave. She is then restored to life and returns home. By the way, the bargain was - one for one - since Ishtar was released from the Underworld, someone would have to take her place, and that someone would be named by Ishtar herself. She expects to find a mourning grieving husband, Tammuz, but instead he is apparently partying hard and playing the role of Supreme King to the hilt. Well, this doesn't sit too well with Ishtar. She tells the two beings to take Tammuz back to the Underworld to fulfill her part of the bargain! After some epic battles, hair raising escapes and a memorable chase scene reminiscent of the climatic car chase scene in "Bullitt", the beings capture Tammuz and to the Underworld he goes. However, after a while Ishtar starts to miss the guy (geez, wouldn't you know it - and him a no good low down skunkfaced, er, ahem) so, she talks Tammuz's sister into visiting him and taking his place in the Underworld for six months each year. Tammuz comes home and he and Ishtar make up, and thus we have spring every year, for the coming of Tammuz brings the vegetation out of the ground and sets the trees and flowers to budding.

Ref 611 Georgia good idea ... there are two colors of squares on the chess board. Octahedron? ... "above & below"

The perimeter of the circle and square should be equal.

Jan ... boy talk about "check mate" first Tammuz then his sister.

Interesting about how people feel about the loss of a Queen and its the King which loses the game?

Mark, it IS a good "check mate", isn't it! But you don't know the half of it! In some versions of the "Descent", Tammuz is Ishtar's brother as well as her husband, and in some versions he's her son (and in still others he's her son and her husband)! Now, what on earth would that make Tammuz's sister to Ishtar? Does he really have a sister or is it really a Bishop in drag? It just gets complicateder and complicateder.

You will have to learn to play chess like Isis and I do. I just took her Rook, she has one of my Bishops and a Knight and the second Knight is teetering on the brink of vacation. We put each other's captured pieces up in swank resorts (mine is spread out on the dining room table, complete with a minature swimming pool and palm trees, and lots of swinging chicks for the macho-man element and a library for the more scholarly types) . We are trying to get our pawns to the other side so that we can have 16 additional queens waltzing around the board, all trying to mate the other's King. Believe me, the King doesn't lose the game when he gets mated the way we do it! But, if he did happen to meet his demise he'd go out with a big smile on his face...

Ref.# 611

I was reading the book put out by the Shriners and 13 is all through the book. 13 is a very sacred number to the Shriners. The members of the Shriners are all 32 degree or 33 degree Masons, remember Washington was a Mason. I understand why some of the MiV don't like the Masons, the Goddess. The Masons love their Mother, I like these people.

LOVE

G

May 13 Always be with You.

Well, knock me over with a feather! I have started reading the math book "Beginner's Guide to Constructing the Universe" and it is absolutely, positively wonderful. What's more, I even understand it! I am still in the introduction, page xxvii, and I've already learned more about numbers than I have in the last 3 weeks scooting around the 'net trying to find out about 13's and whatnot. AND it even had triangulate numbers in it!!! I now even UNDERSTAND what a triangulate number is! Will wonders never cease? All it took was Schneider doing a little chart with dots and bingo, it clicked! Why didn't anyone put the dots on the internet sites I looked at, that's what I want to know!

This is a line from page xxvi: "But the word [referring back a sentence to 'cosmos'] derives from the Greek kosmos (signifying 'embroidery'), which implied not a universe like a huge room filled with disconnected noun-things but the orderliness and harmony of woven patterns with which the universe is embroidered and moves. Kosmos signified the honorable and 'right behavior' of the whole, the harmonious orchestration of the world's patterns and processes". Now, isn't that a coincidence, considering that we're making a "weave" here. I really like this man, what a mind! If I meet a 13 on the street I may not kill it after all.

Inspiration struck on introduction page xxx: I got the letters of the alphabet to fit into a coherent pattern on the chessgrid!!! What's more, I created four identical patterns for knight moves, and four identical patterns for two bishop moves. Gee, this is fun! And it's a pretty pattern, too!

Hi Alice, RE Post 598 i would be most interested in your Tarot symbolism file info. And Thank you for the Life Lesson Number info that you sent to me. I really appreciate you doing that. I know that it takes time, so I did not want to impose on you by asking if you would do it for me.

Jan the book you are reading looks like my next project. I have a client who is a retired math professor from here at the local univeristy. I told him that when I come over the the installation that I wanted to pick his brain about some musical correlation to math that I am exploring. I could hear him smile on the phone. LOL. I not planning on doing anything else that day just incase we get into a really involved dialog. I hope to leave there that day accomplishing more that installing his vertical blinds.

I too am interested in understanding how to create music from the moves on the chess board. So possibly Professor Baj will give me some insite on that too.

Ilumani

Ilumani, it is a wonderful book! Now that I've seen the light, so to speak, I'm sitting here doing "alphabet" chessboards instead of making $$$ for the firm LOL!

It seems to me that you should be able to make a song out of a chess game (notice I said "you" and not "we" - besides not knowing anything about music, I suspect I am tone deaf and sing flat) - if each square on the board represents a number and each number represents a note (tone?), voila! The only question would be what note would be assigned to each square on the board, hmmm. That would be the Big Question. Whether it would sound good would be another matter, but even THAT would be interesting to analyze. Imagine, for example, doing the music notes to a game between Fisher and Spasky. There are chess sites all over the web that have the moves for famous games written down - all you have to do is know the notation system and bingo, you've got the series of moves which would be the series of squares, which would be the series of notes! I wish I could come with you and talk to the professor, darn!

What about each rank representing one series of 8 notes, and the next rank would be the next higher octave, etc., rank 1 through rank 8? Or wouldn't that work because of the "in between" tones - the "fifth"?

Can you put the Fibonacci Spiral to music? I wonder what would happen if you plotted the Fibonacci Spiral on the chess board, and then turned the board around three more times and plotted it again each time? What would you get? Hmmmm....

Erika, look for private e-mail.

My other books have come - they were waiting for me impatiently at the front stoop this evening, tapping their collective little toes and tut-tutting me like all get out! I am SO happy! I don't know which one to sleep with first - I will have to do an eeny-meeny!

I am become a geometer! The demi-god Schneider said I must use a compass, pencil and straightedge and I ran right out and purchased a compass and straight edge (in a very pretty blue, to match the artwork on the walls of the library/den) - pencils I have in abundance, along with a pencil sharpener shaped as a mini-globe in a stand. Tres cute!

I am inspired all over again! Ricardo, did you know this was going to happen? It should be illegal to have this much fun! Wheeeeeee! I even sat down and calculated the first several numbers of the Fibonacci Spiral for myself, just to see it if really works, you understand, and tonight while the commercials are on during "Xena, Warrior Princess", I will plot four spirals on a chess grid and see what I get! I think I'll buy a piano. I can just see it now, a beautiful ebony baby grand sitting at a 38 degree angle to the northeast in front of the Palladian Window in my living room, and me sitting there playing Liberace tunes by the light of the full moon! What heaven! Bast is sitting here next to my computer twitching both of her ears at me and grinning! She loves it too!

Oh, sweet mystery of life, at last I found you! Oh....

Glad to see that you have discovered Schneider, Jan. About two months ago I was posting about him and his book on this site almost continuously for a week or two, hoping to sell someone on him! It's truly an excellent work, one of the prizes in my collection. (And, he writes about chess as well!....)

Re the Fibonacci Spiral, as Erol Torun shows in a diagram found in Richard Hoagland's "The Monuments of Mars", the 3 Giza pyramids, when placed in alignment along the arc of the spiral, show the exact placement of the Sphinx, at cross-sections of the Golden Mean rectangle. This is different from the other Golden Mean arc bisection discovered by yours truly using David Furlong's 64 square Giza grid. (That one bisected at the Sphinx's front paws, under which Cayce said the Hall of Records are).

In fact, it's been said by more than one source that the secrets of the ancient sites will be revealed only when sacred geometry is applied to them.

Illumani, you might want to seek out Bonnie Gaunt's 1995 book "Beginnings: The Sacred Design". Chapter Seven of the book is entitled "The Sound of Music" and is exclusively about music and numerology.

Erika, I doubt anything is rotten in Denmark re the "Pyramid's II" vanishing. There are over 200 discussion rooms on this website, and I doubt whether the sysop are emotionally attached to any of them. No input for a while, and they go. C'est une fait accompli.

Philip, you wrote about Schneider and this book? I must have been sleepwalking through the posts. Oh well, I've got it now. I spent all of Xena plotting Fibonacci numbers on the chess grid. The first pattern I got was really cool! The second, third and fourth tries didn't work because I kept counting the squares wrong! By the time I get to the third set of dots and try to connect up the lines, I can tell I goofed because the pattern isn't identical to the first two. But, enough for tonight. I'm trying to do a drawing from the inside squares out and the lines are crossing all over the place, a lot more difficult than the first attempt where I drew from the outside sqares in. I will try tomorrow with different colored pencils, it may be easier to keep track of the correct square count that way. Erika, I tried sending you an e-mail but it didn't work. Mark, the first symbol I'm working with representing the number 1 (monad) is a circle with a dot in the center of it! Remember a few weeks back when we did the circle around the pyramid thing, you used that symbol and asked what it reminded me of, and I said it was a woman's breast! I still think it is, except its a really gigantic breast that encompasses the entire universe.

By the by, the compass is an excellent weapon, and much lighter than the Xena sword I carry in that scabbard across my back. From now on, if any pesky opposing counsel gets in my way I'll simply pop him one in the gut with the compass point and deflate all the hot air in an instant!!! Won't ruin the lines of my suits, either.

Hi Phil, I have already checked the library the the Gaunt books and was dissappointed to not find any of them at any of the library resources. I like books, but I prefer to borrow them from a lending resource since my budget is pretty stretched. Looks like I will have to buy this one. I know it will be worthwhile.

Ilumani

Hi Jan, I finally found what I was looking for on the prohibited tritones. Interestingly I asked my musician father-in-law if he could remember anything about that in his musical studies, and he did not even understand what I was asking about. Maybe my questions to him about this will get him to dig way back in his memory banks and he will remember something. I am sure he has had that information stored away for quite a long time.

Any way the tritones were referred to as diabolus in musica or the "perfect discord". I will fill you in on more details soon.

Ilumani

ref 624 Jan seems like Men would really appreciate yuor giant breast :) Imagine connecting the dot in the center with all points of the circle. Then imagine that in a more 3 dimensional form dot in center and a sphere. Now imgaine the center of a 2nd sphere popping up on the surface of the 1st sphere. The two spheres will intersect in what is called a "vesica pices". Note where-ever I said sphere you can use a circle to make it easier to draw with your .

The dot may symbolize your spirit and the circle all of your creation. Or in Jan's breast-ese language the dot is the nipple where you have fun getting the milk and the circle is a huge endless supply of milk. Now do you what chocolate, vanilla, or strawberry?

What if our Chess board was 3 dimensional? (8x8) x (8x8) = 4096 cubes

4+0+9+6 = 19 = mayan Storm glyph "Cauac" by now hopefully you all got my email so this has some meaning. 19 also happens to be the number of Circles in "The Flower of Life" symbol. See "http://www.floweroflife.org"

Mark, got your e-mail, am still looking it over to see what's what. Isn't a cube 8 x 8 x 8 (length x width x height)? That would make it 512 = 8, our chess number, and the star glyph. I don't have Schneider's book with me right now, brought along The White Goddess for some light reading, but Schneider said that the symbol for monad (1), the circle with the point in the center, meant "light" in Egyptian, Mayan, and I think he said Hebrew too. Is he correct about the Mayan? I have been practicing drawing circles with the Xenacompass. Schneider says I must be able to scribe a circle without stopping to get the correct feel for the creative process. I feel about 8 years old. I knew that giant breast would get the menfolk. Works every time! On a bit of synchronicity, was reading about Rhea, mother of Zeus, in The White Goddess this morning. It was milk from Rhea's breast that created the stars in the sky. Guess now we know why it's called the Milky Way Galaxy LOL!

ref 628 Jan you are correct ... what might the extra (x8) represent? 

I do not recall seeing a Mayan symbol that looks like the Egyptian solar disk (dot in circle). My feeling is to the mayans that symbol would represent many things like: galaxy dot is the core, Earth & Moon, Sun and solar system, Inside/outside, Great Spirit (circle) Little Spirits (us , dot), etc...

Remember a few posts ago about "underground" the Mayans also tracked "the dark rift" in the Milky Way galaxy.

Guess I will have to get a xenacompass based upon Jan's claims it has anti-aging and even reverse aging capabilities.

Hmmmm.... Chess ..... Chest ..... Breast

Breastfed Manna from the Goddess

What a wonderful way to be enlightened

Mark, many posts ago we were discussing the calendar, well I found out that April 1st, April Fools Day, was New Years day on the original calendar. Another piece to the puzzle. I was just thinking, could the fourth 8 in your equation represent the fourth demenion?

Phil, maybe you can post something about the sybolism of breasts in the Tantik tradition. Maybe doing the research on breasts will make you fell better:) I know you haven't been feeling to well. Get well soon!

LOVE

G

May Manna Always be with You.

Mark, the reference in Schneider says (p. 10) "A point within a circle was the Egyptian, Chinese, and Mayan glyph for 'light'". (I said Hebrew instead of Chinese! sorry!) Elsewhere, he describes the monad basically as being the all-encompassing number, the unity. When he gave the example of multiplying any number by 1 = itself (3 x 1 = 3; 2171 x 1 = 2171, etc.), I knew immediately what he was talking about! It contains everything, all expanding out from the "center" (the point). He also gave the following multiplication - which I sat down and actually did (manually, the old fashioned way, without calculator)! 111111111 x 111111111 = 12345678987654321. I think that is just about the coolest thing I have ever seen! After having read this far, I can now perfectly envision your two spheres intersecting. Philip is probably smiling by now, but this is very exciting to me. Now I understand what it means that the circle contains all subsequent shapes and patterns - the monad holds them all.

G, what WAS the original calendar? Doesn't the Zodiac traditionally start with Aries -- would that be late-March to late-April? Just a thought because I think the Hebrew calendar started with that time period because it was the spring, the time for planting when the rains came in the middle east.

Georgia ... yes the 4th "8" may represent the 4th dimension. See how it connects to Jan's discovery below?

111111111 x 111111111 = 12345678987654321

Jan that is cool!!

I noticed a few things about these numbers as well. Note there are 2 sets of "9" 1's and if we put plus signs into those numbers what would we get?

1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1 + 1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1 = 18 = Love (Chess = 18)

Also note in 12345678987654321 that "9" is the center number. With two "8" octaves on each side of the "9".

Ha! I didn't notice that. I didn't take it far enough - I was so dazzled by the 9 1's times 9 1's equalling all of the numbers 1 through 9 and then down again! Did notice the 9 in the center; also, Mark, the sum of 12345678987654321 is 81; (9 x 9 = 81;) your reverse principle working here would make that 18 = chess = love. And, the total (81) would reduce to 9, Gaunt's number for completion and perfection!

Interestingly, Schneider talks about how people are drawn toward the "center", that nothing exists without a center around which it revolves "whether the nucleus of an atom, sun in the solar system, the heart of our body, hearth of the home, capital of a nation or black hole at the core of the galaxy. When the center does not hold, the entire affair collapses". The heart analogy especially struck me; when a person loses her sense of direction and courage, she is called "faint-hearted" - notice, it's not "faint-brained" or "faint-minded", but "faint-hearted" -- now I understand why this is so, and why the "center" squares of the chessboard are so important - control them and you control the whole board. Otherwise, you're just dancing around the edges waiting to fall off. When reading about chess it is always pointed out how important it is to "control the center", de yada de yada, it was just words before, but now I SEE! Isn't that a line from "Amazing Grace"? LOL!

Mark, you would love this book.

I have heard from Gerhard. He sent me lots of wonderful information that I don't have time to post about right now. I will report later.

 Here is something that you all might enjoy and it relates to Jan's post ... watch the CENTER below.

When you look below the multiplication matrix of the numbers 1 thru 17 and that the sum of
the numbers from 1 thru 17 = 153. In the middle "heart" of this matrix we see the 81.

The Yellow highlites the numbers that reduce to a 9 and look at the yellow boxes form.the shape of
the Mayan Star glyph also called "Lamat". It relates to the planet Venus. Goddess. Love.

1	2	3	4	5	6	7	8	9	10	11	12	13	14	15	16	17
2	4	6	8	10	12	14	16	18	20	22	24	26	28	30	32	34
3	6	9	12	15	18	21	24	27	30	33	36	39	42	45	48	51
4	8	12	16	20	24	28	32	36	40	44	48	52	56	60	64	68
5	10	15	20	25	30	35	40	45	50	55	60	65	70	75	80	85
6	12	18	24	30	36	42	48	54	60	66	72	78	84	90	96	102
7	14	21	28	35	42	49	56	63	70	77	84	91	98	105	112	119
8	16	24	32	40	48	56	64	72	80	88	96	104	112	120	128	136
9	18	27	36	45	54	63	72	81	90	99	108	117	126	135	144	153
10	20	30	40	50	60	70	80	90	100	110	120	130	140	150	160	170
11	22	33	44	55	66	77	88	99	110	121	132	143	154	165	176	187
12	24	36	48	60	72	84	96	108	120	132	144	156	168	180	192	204
13	26	39	52	65	78	91	104	117	130	143	156	169	182	195	208	221
14	28	42	56	70	84	98	112	126	140	154	168	182	196	210	224	238
15	30	45	60	75	90	105	120	135	150	165	180	195	210	225	240	255
16	32	48	64	80	96	112	128	144	160	176	192	208	224	240	256	272
17	34	51	68	85	102	119	136	153	170	187	204	221	238	255	272	289

Recall our Chess board has 8x8 = 64 squares and if we "mirror" the 64 we get 46 which happens to relate to our Human chromosomes.

Recall humans have 23 pairs of chromosomes and 1 pair is different between male & female. So we write the 46 as 44+2.

Now lets look at the pair that is different:

Female: XX ..... Male: XY

If we combine them we have YXXX -or- 1Y & 3X see our 13 showup here again.

In 9 numerology "XX"=6+6=12 and "XY"=6+7=13 and when we add them together XXXY 12+13=25. Interesting, that the male Y chromosome is causing the male to have a 13 here. Note also the letter "Y" is the 25th letter of the alphabet which relates back to the XX+XY=25. Note as well the pattern XXXY = 6667 interesting 6+6+6=18 mirrored = 81 and the lone 7 is the "center" number between 1 and 13. What if we add the mirrors of 18 & 7 ... 81+7= 88 = 2x44 hmmmm... there is our 44 matching chromosomes.

What is it with this "Y" chromosome?

whY ask Y? ..... Y is the first letter of "Y"ou

What if these 4 "XX XY" were placed in the 4 "center" squares of the chess board?

Mark, the pawns would have to be females. That's the only way it would work - to get three xxx's; otherwise, there are only 2 females (the queens) on the entire board; all the other pieces are "masculine" or neuter (the rooks). Thus, you would have three female pawns, and a "masculine" piece - perhaps a bishop or a knight. This makes more sense to me anyway; otherwise, you would have a bunch of male pawns running around trying to get turned into queens! Oh my!

I don't remember if I posted about this earlier or not, so at the risk of being redundant, here goes: From the March/April 1999 issue of Discovering Archaeology, a small article called "Rewriting Writing".

"A German archaeologist might be rewriting the history of writing. Some 300 pots, jars, and tiny tablets excvated from a royal cemetery 400 kilometers (250 miles) south of Cairo bear what may be the oldest written words of humankind.

"Gunter Dreyer, Director of the German Archaeological Institute in Egypt, said the hieroglyphic inscriptions, confidently dated to 3300 to 3200 BC, deal with commerce and taxes during the reign of an Egyptian king called Scorpion.

"The findings challenge a long-accepted view that writing originated with the Sumerians of Mesopotamia in present-day Iraq, sometime before 3000 BC. Dreyer told a Cairo news conference that writing's origin now is up for grabs, and the first literate humans may well have been Egyptians.

"The writing samples have been collected since 1985 from a cemetery area, near Abydos. The area is known as the "Mother of Pots" because of the treasure trove of pottery recovered there. Dreyer said his work will be published this year."

I have the following observations about this neat little article: (1) isn't it just like a man to jump to conclusions that because he found some pots with writing on them, he has discovered the birthplace of writing! Why not conclude that writing arose, rather, simultaneously in several spots around the earth? (2) if someday an archaeologist is digging up the USA, she would most likely find tons of records on financial transactions as well -- money and commerce are the true "universal" language LOL! (3) They still haven't dug deeply enough - the deeper they go the more they'll find -- that is, if they're allowed to dig deeper by the powers that be; (4) ties in rather neatly, I think, with my "Noah's Ark" hypothesis about the dispersion of people, language and The Game!

Ref 636 Jan your intuition is correct most likely the civilizations of Egypt and Sumeria rose about the same time. Thoth may have very well taught writing to both groups. Not only that but perhaps some civilizations do not need writing or have an alternative that we would not understand like recording information in a natural crystal. We tend to evaluate intelligence based upon our criteria ... which should be suspect by now :)

[X][Y]

[X]{X]

Notice the position of the Y chromosome these 4 squares can expand radially/diagonally outward on the chess board ... thus the Y would be over the Chess board square with the Great Pyramid at Giza. Recall earlier post regarding 12 female temples and the one last "13th" temple called the Great Pyramid and XY = 6+7 = 13 (13th temple)

The number 153 will be found in several places encoded into the Great pyramid and in this number we the 13 again:

153 = (1)5(3) and 13+5=18 "love" "chess"

Mark, more connections: 153 - 128 (64 +64) = 25 = XX + XY (per post 634). Note: 153 reduces to 9; 128 reduces to 2; 25 reduces to 7; we have 9 - 2 = 7! Also, 13 x 5 = 65, which is one off from 64; the Board plus the One? Also, square root of 64 (8) plus the square root of 25 (5) = 13 = XY. I do believe, Holmes, I am getting the hang of this, what!

 Ref 638 Jan-xena very impressive! Talk about rock-n-roll. I hope you had as much fun writing
it as I did reading your connections.

Notice what happens when we take the "Y" representing the Y chromosome as we have been talking
about and turn it 180 degrees then add a circle around the flipped "Y". What does that look like?
  
           ..ed$$$$$be..
         .d$$$$$$$$$$$$$$c 
       .$$$$P"" $$$ ""*$$$$c
      z$$$*"    $$$     *$$$e
     z$$$"      $$$      ^$$$L
     $$$F       $$$       '$$$
    4$$$       d$$$$.      $$$F         L o v e    S i g n?
    4$$$     .$$$$$$$e     $$$F
     $$$r   d$$P$$$$$$$.  .$$$"
     *$$$..$$$"     "$$$e $$$P       
      *$$$$$P"       ^*$$$$$$
       *$$$$c.       .z$$$$P          
        ^*$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$P"
           "*$$$$$$$$$*""
               """""
 

 Jan I decided to expand upon the your previous post 630 , note that I have added highlites
below to results that have exactly 17 digits and a center with 8 digits on each side. Note
that  1's, 3's, 6's, 9's form interesting answers & the 3's ,6's, 9's when you add the numbers
on both sides of the center you get a 9. Are these 4 (1,3,6,9) related to the 4 center squares
of the Chess board?

111111111 x 111111111 = 12345678987654321
222222222 x 222222222 = 49382715950628394
333333333 x 333333333 = 11111111088888888
444444444 x 444444444 = 197530863802469136
555555555 x 555555555 = 308641974691358025
666666666 x 666666666 = 44444444355555555
777777777 x 777777777 = 604938270395061729
888888888 x 888888888 = 790123455209876544
999999999 x 999999999 = 99999999800000000  
 

Now that is interesting. Why wouldn't there be any apparent relation between 2, 4, 6 and 8, all multiples of 2? Too tired tonight to think much about it, but I did come up with this: if you sum the answers for each of 4, 5, 7 and 8, they all come out to 81! The only one that doesn't fit is the 2's sum, which totals 85! So, we have three each of 81 or a 9, or 81/18 = chess = love; and we have Ricardo's 13 (85; 8+5). And if you add up the 3 81's plus the 85 you get 328, which is another 13 (3+2+8).

 Jan correction I knew when you had all the 81 sums that the 2's must sum to 81 as well so I
reentered the 2 calculation. Not sure what happened the first time I thought I double checked
everything before I posted.

222222222 x 222222222 = 49382715950617284

this sums to 81 so we have (2,4,5,7,8) and (1,3,6,9)

These two sets of numbers reminds me of if you take the binary & fibonacci number
sequences and put them in a polar graph you get this relationship notice one set of 4
and another set of 5 that form a golden mean spiral

binary:     0;  120;       240;      360;       binary sequence { 1,2,4,8,16,32, ... } male

fibonacci: 0;  120;  190;  280;  360;      fibonacci sequence { 1,1,2,3,5,8,13,21, ...} female
 
 

Oops, I goofed too, in post 641. Well, I said I was tired! That should be 4 81's, not 3, and the total would be 324 (4 x 81) which sums to 9, and the square root of which is 18. The original "13" would remain based on the original product for the 2.

Mark, the golden mean spiral sequence reminds me of the intertwined DNA strands. Also note where we see another "4" and another "5": the 5 81's from the sums of the 2, 4, 5, 7 and 8 add up to 405, which, of course, sums to 9!

Interestingly, when Mark put the "Y" into the circle he got the "love" sign hey, groovy, man! When you put an "X" into a circle you get an international STOP sign, LOL! Even our chromosomes are doing the battle of the sexes thing, darlings! We must teach them better manners.

 Jan, yes the binary and fibonacci relate to the DNA spiral note that cell division in the human body
is binary and proportions in the body relate to fibonacci.  Remember XX XY and now lets look at
it in relation to a Chess piece and how that piece moves:
 

X   X   X Y     6 6 6 7

The Knight always has to move 4 squares and it takes this interesting 90 turn into the "Y" chromosome. Why? Even the Queen with all its power cannot make this move!  Recall in numerology X=6 and Y=7 we have a trinity of X's and a unity of Y.  6+6+6+7 = 25 , and 2+5=7 =Y, the center of 13 tones of the mayan system is 7. Christ is the 7th person in the painting "The Last Supper". The 7th mayan glyph is Manik or Hand and is the solar glyph of planet Earth.  The planets in the 6th & 7th orbits are Jupiter & Saturn.  Look at how the Knight pattern of movement forms the letter L the first letter of the word ..... L o v e

Mark, that is a good question, why does the knight, and only the knight, have the 90 degree turn in its move? It could not be related to Jesus Christ, though it is certainly an interesting coincidence about the "7", because even if we assume an Indian origin for The Game circa the 4th century CE, the Indians were Hindus and Buddhists, so what would they care about Christ? And if we assume a much older origin for The Game going back to circa 2500 BCE (or even older, who knows) that would appear to totally discount the Christ connection. However, your tie-in with Jupiter and Saturn is intriguing. I am only half-way through translating Gerhard's article about "The Bishop was a Queen" - I hope to finish up the rest of it today if the translation program will behave itself - I am certain there will be excellent information in it. In his latest e-mail Gerhard indicated his belief that The Game "was created by the unification of several older games of heaven and earth. The officers came from heaven and the pawns from our earth. They married in Sumer attested by Ishtar!"

Thus, we have the pawns as the "earthly" representatives; who would the officers be? Inanna/Ishtar herself, certainly, would be one. Who would the others be but "the gods" - some of whom are represented by Jupiter and Saturn?

Gerhard urges that we look at the STRUCTURE of the game. Unfortunately, none of the wonderful graphics and images that he has sent me are available on the 'Net. I will send them to you if you are interested.

And, Mark, I will not now forget the "numbers". There are two immediate connective 13's in the knight's move using "9" numerology: the horizontal XY (6 + 7) and the diagonal XY (similar to what would be the pawn's move) 6 + 7. And, if the knight on "Y" would move "backward" to the immediate "north" of where he is toward the original "X" and then hang a left turn, he would end back where he started (the two moves would describe a 3 by 2 rectangle).

Cool!

 Jan, interesting linking pawns (humans) and officers (gods) and for each officer there is a pawn.
Sort of like how for each black square the is a white square.

In your Bonnie Gaunt book it will indicate several relations of Christ to the Great Pyramid.
Great Pyramid position on the Chess board?  Knight ... Knights Templar. Flip the "L" move
of the knight 180 degrees and you have a "7"

"Jesus Christ" = 43 = 7 , and there is another mayan connection with this 43
and recall goddess  N u i t   is associated with blue.

 glyph     mayan name      english name        planet
   4               Kan            Yellow Seed       Jupiter
+ 3             Akbal             Blue Night         Saturn
 --
  7             Manik             Blue Hand          Earth

Hi everyone, back again. I realize the thread has shifted since my last posting, but to follow up on what Mark and Jan were saying to me I need to take it back.

Mark (post #599) I agree the conscious mind and the subconscious mind must be in balance to access the super-conscious, I feel this is very important for raising the kundalini.

An analogy I thought of once is how it is like a computer.

conscious mind = RAM (which is absorbed back into the hard drive once the computer is turned off, dies)

subconscious mind = hard drive (all memory from past use, or lives)

super-conscious mind = www (ability to know what all others have known, read the akashic record, etc)

kundalini = ISP (the electrical charge which elevates and opens the abilities)

See when the person is discarnate the conscious mind is absorbed by the subconscious. The subconscious mind then becomes our consciousness while discarnate. the super-conscious mind takes over as the subconscious mind.

Alice, I like your analogy of our minds with the computer. I think it very apt. Mark, so the 7 would be Earth. That is interesting. If we put the knight as the Y in the center of the chessboard, he has the fullest range of movement from there and can strike in any direction.

I have been learning about "2", the Dyad. I am amazed at what I'm learning. Perhaps you already knew this, but this was totally new to me:

1 + 1 > 1 x 1

2 + 2 = 2 x 2 - 2 is the "doorway" from the Monad to the other numbers

3 + 3 < 3 x 3, etc.

The sums of all numbers subsequent to 2 will be less than their products, and the larger the number, the greater the difference.

How does this relate to chess? I'm not sure yet; however, Schneider said something that caught my attention right away - he said that the Sumerians considered the Monad and the Dyad a man and a woman, and not numbers at all; also, it is through the connections between the Monad (the point) and the Dyad (the line; the Vesica Piscis) that all other numbers are created.

I also now know why a pizza is round!

 Jan neat stuff and I liked the way you picked up on the Dyad relating to the "vesica pices"
two points to make the line and two circles intersecting form the vesica pices. It takes two!
I have tried to put what you were talking about into this table:

1 =	1
2 =	1+1	2
3 =	1+1+1	2+1
4 =	1+1+1+1	2+2
5 =	1+1+1+1+1	2+2+1
6 =	1+1+1+1+1+1	2+2+2
7 =	1+1+1+1+1+1+1	2+2+2+1
8 =	1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1	2+2+2+2
9 =	1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1	2+2+2+2+1

111111111 x 22221 = 2468999997531

2468999997531

Notice all the odd numbers on the right of the 9's and all of the even
numbers on the left of the nines. The sum of the digits is 81 again

                   81 = (8x8) + (8+8+1)
                             64          17
                             6+4 +    1+7 = 18

That is really cool, Mark. Notice that you can reduce the 9 1's to 9 and the 22221 also to a 9; so you get 9 x 9 = 81. I wonder what the Sumerian words were for "man" and "woman"?

I also wonder whether pawn promotion was always a part of The Game, or whether this is a relatively recent invention with the reintroduction of the queen into The Game in the 15th century. Philip, do you know?

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