Jan Newton - 06:14pm Apr 25, 1999 MST (#651 of 656)

Am I left alone in the universe? Where is everyone? Oh well, I will single-handedly keep The Chess History Site going myself - I have a big enough ego for all of us, darlings!

Philip, I have thus far encountered two references in Schneider's book to chess. The first was in the chapter on the Dyad, where he noted that the chessboard, with its alternating squares of "light" and "dark" "represent the field of the world". I found this a fascinating analogy, because Schneider describes Dyad as being simultaneously the state of separateness/independence and also the state of yearning to rejoin with the Monad. Sort of like how Isis and I see checkmate! The second reference is in the Triad chapter, which I have just started. Schneider talks about how "three" is an archetype that recurs constantly in our language and thought patterns. The chess analogy he uses is "beginning, middle, and endgame". Very cool. I have one, how about the good, the bad, and the ugly? LOL!

 Jan ref 651 I love that movie "the good, the bad, and the ugly". Interesting about the three ... trinity. Hmmm... I am just going to start writing down things of three:

Man	Woman	Child
Osiris	Osiris	Horus
Mercury	Venus	Earth (3rd orbit)
Great Pyramid	2nd Pyramid	3rd Pyramid
White	Black	Rainbow
King	Queen	Pawn
Square	Circle	Vesica Pices
Father	Holy Ghost	Son
Egypt	Maya	Tibet
Mer	Ka	Ba
Light	Spirit	Body

Mark, interesting trinities. I especially like the King/Queen/Pawn. The knight's move would represent a triad. Hmmmm. Schneider talks about the triad not only in terms of its being an archetype (three strikes you're out, three blind mice, the three bears, three little sheep who have lost their way, the three little piggies -- notice, lots of nursery rhymes! - we were learning about an archetype but we didn't know the significance!), but also in terms of being the "neutral" between two opposites (Monad and Dyad) which harmonizes the two and creates a new synthesis. He gave some examples as Buyer/Seller/Money = Commerce; Man/Woman/Love = Home; prosecution/defense/judge = trial. Would the synthesis of King/Queen/Pawn = The Game? I was also wondering what the balancing force would be between Love/Hate, and what the resulting synthesis would be.

On the God/Holy Ghost/Son; I have read a little (very little, more of a tease) that the Holy Ghost is in fact the Daughter and her name is "Shekinah." I started researching this on the webb, but being so short of home time, I never really went for it. If any of you are interested in hearing more about this, let me know and I will see what all I can find. From what little I read about Her, She never manifests in physical form, more of a Spiritual Being, where the Son does manifest (interesting that seems so close the whole conscious, subconscious thing, with God being the super-conscious). I also read that the "Shekinah" was changed to the Holy Ghost by those who wanted to keep the females subordinate, and feared that knowledge of a Daughter, would cause the same problems envisioned by knowledge of a Goddess.

Alice, I have heard of a group within the Roman Catholic Church, and for all I know they might be in other churches too, that want to call the "Holy Spirit" or "Holy Ghost" "Wisdom" and personify this as "female". I believe this thought has been around for a time.

Well, knock me over with a bulldozer. While finishing up Chapter 2 on the Dyad Schneider used the analogy of the "Yoni" and compared it to the Vesica Picsis as the agency through which all subsequent numbers are born. Tantric is everywhere, run screaming for the hills, ahhhhhhhh!!!!!

Ahem, okay, I'm back from the hills. I have got a used healthrider type exercise vehicle and I am going to be using it frequently while I post, so it may take me awhile to get these done, as I am using a pencil held between my teeth and pecking a letter each time I lunge forward.

The number 13 showed up in The White Goddess, tied to the lunar calendar month of 28 days.

Also, a most interesting reference to an "invasion" of Ireland by a people who predated the Tuatha de Danaan, circa 2048 and 1718 BCE, per Graves "coming from Greece by way of Spain." Greece is one of the lands very early settled by the descendants of Japheth, and the Tuatha de Danann can be traced there as well. Interesting how these same descendants keep showing up - all tracing their roots back to the same area of the world. Graves referred to the tribes as the Partholan and Nemed, and tied them to the ancient barrow forts/graves. Never heard of 'em. Anyone an expert on Celtic archaeology?

Jan, I'm not sure when the pawn promotional powers came about, but it would certainly make sense if it occurred with the birth of the Queen.

Alice, the Holy Spirit/Goddess area is something I've been researching on and off for over 15 years, and I'm convinced that the Holy Spirit is the essence of the Goddess prototype. The Hebrews refer to it as "Ruach". Every culture has a name for it, but only in India (as far as I've been able to glean, and from what I've seen first-hand) has the Holy Spirit/Goddess link survived intact, where it is referred to as Shakti and "Shaktipat".

It would be very interesting, indeed, if the Goddess principle managed to get carried over into Christendom as the "Holy Spirit" principle. But, she has gone underground before, and always reappeared, bigger and better and more beautiful than ever. Doesn't "ruach" translate something like "life force" or "the breath of life", meaning that which animates us to be living beings?

Now I am VERY curious about the pawn promotion. Could it really be, Philip, such a recent invention? Hmmmm. That would have introduced a massive structural change into The Game within the past +-600 years, well within historical and documented memory. I will hunt.

I have gone back to the basics. I am researching STRUCTURE. Thus far, I have traced pawn promotion back in time to the Indian game Chaturanga (circa 7th century CE), which did not feature a female queen piece at all. Philip, I don't believe we addressed this point before. You are the resident expert on Indian culture: doesn't it seem very strange that a culture that was so very inculcated with the goddess principle (having so many examples of powerful goddesses co-equal with the gods) would not have a female principal in The Game - not even a black Khali(sp?), aka the modern-day Borg Queen?

Most interesting. I will spend the next 531 years reading about game structure and the ancient rules of play (note, Mark, that totals "9", or an "8" - wouldn't ever forget my "8", plus the "1"). In Chaturanga, there were four "officers": Rajah, Elephant, Horse, Ship (holy Yoni, there's the Russian "ladya" - ship! - see footnote below), and four foot-soldiers. This is the four-handed variant of The Proto-Game. The Elephant is the most powerful piece on the board; the foot-soldiers move like our pawns. When two foot-soldiers are taken, either of the remaining may become an Elephant (Queen? - remember Gerhard's thesis -- the Bishop was a Queen -- and remember that the Bishop was at one time the Elephant) or a Horse, when he (I prefer "she") reaches the opposite side. Her new identify is determined by the square she reaches. There is a kink in the rules. If there is only one foot-soldier and a Ship, then she is called a "Gadha" and is entitled to become ANY of the officers, including a Rajah, according to the square she lands on (holy metamorphosis - she could become a he!). I will keep hunting.

I haven't found a full set of rules for Chaturanga and the variations of "Indian" chess; however, I did find a set of rules for "Arabic" chess circa 1100, and the board is not a "checkerboard", i.e., it is not bi-colored! THAT is very interesting, n'est ce pas? Isis, do you suppose the then-existing Muslim equivalent of the MIV nixed the bi-colored playing board for religious reasons, i.e., smashing out any trace of the goddess influence via the Monad/Dyad bi-colored board I talked about earlier noted in Schneider's book, and which can be traced all the way back to Thoth and Ma'at???

Footnote: The source I found tonight is the first that mentions the "Ship" as opposed to the "Rook", which I had heretofore believed was a war chariot of some sort aka "Ruhkh" in Arabic; more digging ahead!

Jan, yes the monotone board could have been used to omit the feminine principle from the game. I also noticed the time frame, 1100 CE., this fits into the Moslem reign of terrior against their Mother. As for chess boards, the Royal game of Sumer uses a board with lapis(Blue),rhodonite(red),shells(white) and bitumen(black). I was thinking, could chess boards at one time used lapis(feminine) and rhodonite(masculine)?

I found an interesting Celtic Goddess, Morigan, Supreme Goddess of War She is known as a shape-shifter and sometimes takes the form of a Raven. She reigned over war, fate and death and ruled the night and magick. Morigan was the Goddess of rivers and lakes and the patroness of priestesses. She is also associated with the moon. This is some Goddess. Jan, do you pick up the similarities to the Goddess Danu.

LOVE

G

May the Hand of the Goddess Always be with You.

 Ref 659, Georgia interesting Celtic Goddess "Morigan" ruled over Magick since
I was just reading about the Mayan Warrior-Priestess called "Nine Monkey" and
the monkey carries power of magick. She is pictured on the Nuttall Codex which
is a mayan codex on Venus. Mer really like Celtic stuff.

Seems clear to me that the two colors represent male & female energies.
Look at a single Chess square and notice what is around it.

F E M A L E & M A L E

	F				M

Mark, I didn't know the Mayans HAD warrior-priestesses! That is a good tie-in. Georgia, the Religiosos Mafiosos have a lot to answer for! Regarding Morrigan, I think we posted about her and her relationship to The Game some time back when we were looking at Celtic "myths" and "legends" which, as we all know, are often just garbled versions of real people and real events which have been clouded by the mists of time and religious prejudice (in fact, that is what The White Goddess is about - the deciphering of some of the Bardic legends). The Morrigan was a triune goddess; I believe she was represented as the Mother/Matron, as the Sexual Venus, and in her Old Crone/Raven aspect, as Death. A powerful Goddess. Danu is another Celtic incarnation of The Morrigan - same root stock of people -- the Celts -- but different tribes and slightly different versions of the same Goddess.

Jan, yes Mayans had several interesting Female warrior, prietess, leaders. One called Temple Doors led a large group northward into USA area when their "Religion of One" forget the actual name was being contaminated. I am reading a book called "The Hidden Maya" which is very interesting. The "Hopi" indians are probably Mayan in their roots.

Note in post 660 that both the male & female have 9 squares. The female has 5 "dark" & 4 lite squares while the male has 5 "lite" & 4 dark squares. And of course 9+9=18 which is what the word "Chess" is equal to in number. Also the word "love" = 18 in number.

This relates to the Morrigan Goddess/Female having the "lite" aspect "sexual Venus" and the "dark" aspect "Raven". However, the Male also has these aspects. Of course when we combine the sexes (male/female) we get our 9 power doubled to 18 or 81 in the mirror. The mayan warrior preistess "9 Monkey" carried that number in her name. 9 is the day-tone and monkey is the glyph. The name 9 Monkey means "Intention to Pulse Playful Magick".

"Intention to Pulse Playful Magick". I wouldn't touch that line with a ten foot pole, LOL! Mark, you are getting very good with the graphics. I confess the significance first escaped me, but I looked at them at the office today and was struck with just how much the "F" block of squares looks like an abstract representation of a woman - the two dark squares at the top of the form would be her breasts and the two dark squares at the bottom of the form would be her legs. The middle I leave to your imagine! (Of course, she is headless, but I believe there is a certain genre of males who like "brainless" women, LOL!) Likewise the "M". The large dark block at the top would be the head (get it - "blockhead" - ha ha ha ha!!!); the two dark squares on either side would be the "arms", and the large bottom square I, once again, er, leave to your imagination!

Can't help myself, darlings, it must be love!

Chess where the Queen is the piece to have, because the King is stupid enough to get himself into a corner. The only move that the Queen can't make is the Knight move which is L shaped. The Knight rides to the rescue. It is called the Knight, but it is really a Horse. The Knight is really not a Knight without the Horse. The Horse is Power. Humans got further riding Horse than walking. The L shape is the symbol of the Labryinth (sp?). We can ride the Horse in the Labryinth or walk. The Horse, therefore, can represent be Earthly Power and Mystical Power. Pretty much the same thought that the Native Americans had about the horse as symbols of Earth and Shamanic Power.

There is a lot of interesting reading on this discussion. Is there anyway we can have a total printout of the entire discussion?

Greetings, Doralee. Welcome to chess "herstory" done the "right way"! Re your post 665, Georgia and I were talking about just that last night. I tried to copy and download the posts but couldn't figure out how to get more than one page! I wanted to create an index of the prior posts so that we could refer back to subjects previously discussed.

Your comments on the Knight are very interesting. I have a special interest in the piece myself, and share your view that it is the horse that is one of the keys to The Game. Besides being one of the earliest of the domesticated animals and used for agriculture, transportation and later on, warfare, the horse was also worshipped by many peoples as a representation of the Goddess. Epona and Rhiannon are good examples of this. It makes sense that the horse would be a symbol, as you said, of Earthly and Mystical Power.

I like your connection of the Knight to the Labyrinth. Another example of synchronicity at work -- I have just been reading about labyrinths in The White Goddess! I will post about them later.

Ref 664 Doralee ... notice the Knight is the only piece that has two pieces (Horse & Rider). Recall from earlier that the human chromosomes 44+2 where the +2 is XX (female) or XY (male). XXXY form the "L" movement of the Knight and it is very important that it make that 90 degree turn! 3 X's then the Y takes the turn. Note that 90 = (9x9)+9

360 degrees = 4 x 90 , circle , feminine 4 corners x 90 = 360 , square, masculine

Now if we add the circle + square = 360+360=720 and 5 x 144 = 720 we note that 7+2+0=9 and 1+4+4=9 and the number 9 is the number of perfection or number of light. The 144,000 in the Holy Bible is 1+4+4+0+0+0=9 thus ALL are saved since ALL are Light. 144 = (8x8 + 4x4 + 8x8) So in this number 144 we see 2 chess boards and the 4x4 connects to the very last word in the Holy Bible "A-Men" which if you know Mayan then you can convert it to number. A=1 and MEN is the Mayan name for the 15th Eagle glyph. Thus A-MEN = "1-Eagle" (1+15) and 1+15 = 4x4 The Eagle glyph carries the power of vision. So "1 Eagle" = "One Vision" = "A-Men". Thus the VERY LAST thing the Bible tells us is not to forget our "One Vision" or "Vision of Oneness".

Both the words "Chess" and "Love" equal 18 in number and of course 18 = 9+9 or Female Light + Male Light. And when you combine them 9+9=18=1+8=9 you still get a 9 or Light.

Mark, do you have the entire Bonnie Gaunt series of books memorized, LOL! I had forgotten about the 144,000. That is a very special number in Revelation, a very powerful vision.

The connection of the 360 degrees circle and the 4 - 90 degree corners is wonderful! Note that if the Knight is sitting near the center of the Board, he can move in 8 possible different directions from that one square -- there's our 8, chess number.

Reducing the numbers in your equations, we get: (360 + 360 = 9 + 9 = 18 = 9; (5 x {144 = 9} = 45 = 9); 9 +9 = 18 = 9, also equals the 720 reduced to 9! Cool!

Jan actually I only have one of Bonnie's books the one I reccomended to you. She did a wonderful job. Regarding the 144,000 notice the 144 in post 660's pictures?

1 = center the "F" or "M" 4 = four squares same color as center 4 = four sqaures different color than center

What about the 000 in 144,000?

A Trinity of Zero?

In Mayan the 0 can also mean 20 so 000 would be 20+20+20 = 60 thus 144,000 may also be 1+4+4,20+20+20

Recall our 2 circles (360 x 360) + 14400 = 144,000 see what heppened there with just that third "0"?

I have been reading Michael Schneider's book "A Beginner's Guide to Constructing the Universe - The Mathematical Archetypes of Nature, Art and Science". While studying the number four (tetrad), I found the following information:

"Fourness indicates association with the stable, solid earth. The ancient Egyptians symbolized this by showing four pillars arising from earth to support heaven. The Mayans likewise portrayed four beings as supporting the celestial roof.

"Regardless of the culture, the square was the preeminent symbol for the ancient Earth Mother goddess. The association of the earth with the number four, femalenes, and justice is very ancient, far preceding recorded history. The principals of the Tetrad describe her nourishing aspect: she gives birth, clothes her creations with material substance, and encourages their growth equally."

The square is, in many cultures, the symbol for the Earth (and, by association for the Earth Mother). Schneider gives examples from the Japanese glyph for country, which is a square "earth" symbol enclosing the ideograms for "people" and "protection", a drawing of a square Hopi labyrinth symbol for the Mother Earth, an ancient Vietnamese coin using a square in the center to symbolize the earth within the circle of heaven, and the Chessboard, representing material interplay in the world!

Another connection of the square Chessboard to the goddess (also courtesy of Schneider): on average, our height equals the distance of our outstretched arms; thus, an "ideal" body fits within a square. Its diagonals cross at our genitals, INDICATING THE SQUARE'S RELATIONSHIP TO FERTILITY, BIRTH, AND GENERATION. Arm span and height being equal represents unity. I note that the diagonals would cross right in the center of the Chessboard - strategically and tactically the place players strive to position their chess pieces!

Mark, the triple 20 is very powerful! (Any triple would be; not only is it a trinity, it is reiteration 3 times, which emphasizes perfection). Note that the (360 x 360) + 14,400 = 144,000, would reduce to (9 x 9) plus 9; 9 x 9 = 81 or 9; 9 plus 9 = 18 or 9! What's next, Holmes?

Jan very interesting about 4 and the square! Diagonals are important! Interesting that Priests must be celibate sometimes and the Chess piece "bishop" seems the closest to the priest and how does the bishop move "diagonally" ... ironic is is not?

Well Watson! what happens when you combine as per Bonnie's book light (27) and hydrogen base harmonic of matter (37)?

27 x 37 = 999

A Trinity of 9's

9+9=9 = 27

9x9x9 = 729 = (360 + 9 + 360)

Note: 27 + 37 = 64 Chess squares

Children must have a Goddess

Hi Doralee, Welcome to Chess History and more. It is always interesting to have a new addition to this group. To respond to your question about getting a complete file of posts: I have been saving all of them and may even have some that got deleted or mysteriously disappeared along the way. I have just needed someone to prod me along to organizing them all together in an easy to locate order. So, if you would like I will get that done and make it available as a file that can be downloaded from my website or emailed upon request to all who are interested. Any takers?

Ilumani

Ilumani, private e-mail en route! Did you get a chance to talk to the retired music professor? I am eager to find out what happened! Tell all, please.

Holmes, it is ironic that the Bishop moves on the diagonal. However, the early "church fathers" were mostly married men. The celibacy requirement is NOT scriptural, but doctrinal only. Important distinction. The MIV impose restrictions where none were ever intended. But that has always been the case. The Scribes and the Pharisees in Jesus' day were exactly the same!

Number play, Holmes! Observe: 729 = 7+2+9=18 (Love!) = 9.

360+9+360 = 9+9+9 = 27 = 2+7 = 9

9+9 = 18 (Love, again) = 9

27+37 = (2+7) + (3+7) = 9+10 = 19 = 1+9 = 10 = 1+0, the Alpha and the Omega. (Recall Gaunt's atomic weight for hydrogen: 1.373737...to infinity! Alpha & Omega by atomic weight!) We have an identity: Chess = 64 (10 or 1+0) = Alpha & Omega = 1+0!

Yes Vickie, I would be one other taker. I just discovered this discussion no more than a few hours ago - and was totally compelled to run through as many of the early posts as I could. After about the first, oh, say 18 or so, my compulsion was to find a way to do exactly what you have done and to snap up everything. My commendations on your industry and foresight. The contents of this discussion folder are truly awesome and deserve to be preserved in some way.

DMc

Vickie Ramirez - 08:02pm Apr 29, 1999 MST (#675 of 691)

O Music! In your depths we deposit our hearts and souls. Thou hast taught us to see with our ears, and hear with our hearts.

Hi Jan,
I will be seeing the Prof in a few days. I WILL make sure and share any insights that come out of the meeting. I have been gathering my resources. Email back to you. Ilumani

Hi Don and welcome. Glad you found us. Jan and I were just privately discussing a plan for making all of the posts searchable and indexed. The volume and indepth information and insights of the posts will be more meaningful of future reference. We look forward to your input. Ilumani

Welcome Doralee, that was very insightful about the Knight, it will be interesting to see where the Horse will lead us.

The Pythagorian teachings show the trinity as a right angle triangle, 3 (father), 4 (mother), 5 (child). The 4 is the base, 3 is the left side and 5 is the hypotenus. 4x4 + 3x3 = 5x5. Another interesting thing I ran across was the origin of the name Pythagoras, it comes from Pythoness, Prophetess of Apollo, at Delphi. If I remember correctly, the twin sister of Apollo is the Goddess Artemis, the Virgin ( which meant unattached to a man) Goddess, whoes symbols were silver and the moon. Her temple is one of the Seven Wonders of the World.

LOVE

G

May the Hand of the Goddess Always be with you.

Definitely need copies of this post. Thank you for your offer, Vicki. Mark and All have some interesting readings that deserve further study.

Will write again!

Welcome Don, I am happy you are here with the Weave.

Ilumani, I love the idea of an index, I Xena-Mailed Jan and volunteered to help with the indexing.

I found this information and thought of you imediately: The Pythagorian school taught the treatment of desease with musical harmonies, different harmonies for different deseases, Wouldn't it be nice to know what the tunes were, then we could make a CD and win a Grammy and a Nobel prize in medicine:-)

Bon Nuit

LOVE

G

May Manna Always be with You.

Ref 677 Georgia ... the word "child" in number is 27 and we have seen alot of this number recently. It is the number of Light trinity (9+9+9) = (father,mother,child)

ifrom Georgia's post: 3 (father), 4 (mother), 5 (child)

3x4x5 = 60 = 20+20+20 recall our 144,000 and in mayan 0 can be a 20. Now this 20 is interesting because the mayans have 20 solar glyphs in their calendar and they are assigned as pairs to each of the 10 planets. This number 10 is important recall Jan stated chess squares = 64 = 6+4 = 10 = 1&0 alpha omega. So every chess board has a second hidden board that is the "mirror" of the the other board we play on ... in other words white and black squares are inverted on the hidden board. Thus we have a pair of 64's and 6+4 + 6+4 = 20.

Now look what happens when we divide our alpha & omega chess boards 20 by the "child" 27:

20 / 27 = 0.74074074074074....

The words "love light child" summed in number = 74

Jan this number 74 also shows up in Bonnie Gaunt's book that you have. 74 = 64 + 10 and recall 10=6+4=64 our hidden chess board

"All on Earth are a Child of Light and Love"

Greetings, all! I am going to attempt an experiment this evening when I get home and see if I can paste in some graphics from Schneider's book which will be very helpful in our discussion about 4, the goddess, and squares. However, even if I can't patch the graphics in, I have further really cool info from his book regarding what he calls "The Weave of the Goddess". NO KIDDING! LOL - that is exactly what we call THIS! Will post tonight.

The Alpha and the Omega might also rightly be considered the Monad, that out of which all things come forth, symbolized by a circle. The circle that arises out of the circle of the Monad creates the Vesica Picsis, from which arises the line; out of one arise two, connected to each other, striving to be separate and independent and yet yearning to join back together and become one once more. Holmes, observe: 74 = 64+10; 74=7+4=11=1+1=2; 64+10=6+4+1+0=11=1+1=2. 2=2. The creative tension of the Dyad, the doorway to all other numbers and things, arises out of The Game (the 64) plus the Monad (Alpha & Omega; 10). Take away either element, and we have only the 1 (64=6+4=10=1+0=1; 10=1+0=1). Put the two together, and you get creation! Gerhard is absolutely right in his theory that The Game arose under the auspices of the Ultimate Fertility Goddess, Inanna/Ishtar/Venus, and that it represents a "marriage" of elements of Heaven and Earth!

ref 681 Jan ... cool! and if you put two 1+1 circles two-gether they form the vesica pices and notice that a "cross" fits inside the vesica pices and thus the geometry of the human body also fits perfectly inside the meeting of the two circles.

In the Mayan glyphs the glyph (2) is "Ik / Wind" and this glyph carries the power of Spirit. It is the female glyph for the planet Uranus and the male glyph (17) is "Caban / Earth" and it carries the power of "Navigation" so when we combine the energies of the female&male we get power to "Navigate Spirit".

Mark, in the Mayan glyphs the 2 and the 17 (=8!) = 10 or 1+0, the Alpha & the Omega! This relationship is reflected in the various circular symbols we have for the male/female joined together (Yin/Yang, etc.) and in the black/white squares of the Chessboard.

The human figure does fit within the Vesica Piscis!, also within the square. What is the name of the drawing done by Michaelangelo that contains the human? I can't quite picture it in my mind's eye; you have posted about it before. Is that drawn within a circle, or within a square? One more neat thing Schneider pointed out about "four": when the Tetragrammaton YHWH is printed horizontally, the figure of a person emerges. It is really cool! I will see if I can paste it here so you can all see it (I have been cheating, paging ahead and looking at all the neat graphics).

Duh! My brain must be fogged by all the numbers! Isis, Doralee, it just occurred to me that the horse might, in fact, represent a female piece, given the horse's close connection with the Goddess. Thus, in addition to the Queen and the Pawns being female, the Knight might quite possibly be a "Knightess", LOL! Maybe we should give the piece a new name, like Xena, Warrior Princess - she rides a horse very well indeed!!!

Help!!

I have tried to figure out this conversation since I first stumbled upon this site. I play chess but I don't have a clue as to what most of the posts are about. Where can I go to get some background information?

Lee, re post 685. Expect e-mail from moi, explaining what we are all about here!

Darlings, I was not able to get my graphics to post, but I will keep working on it. I know there has to be a way!

Continuing our discussion of 4, the Goddess, and the square. To the ancients, the "four elements" were earth, water, air, and fire. This is what Schneider has to say (from Beginner's Guide to Constructing the Universe):

"In the way that a mother provides nourishment for her developing child, the 'world mother' is described in myths as nourishing the emergent archetypal patterns with matter, consisting of four types of food, called the four ancient elements: earth, water, air, and fire. These elements provided the mythopoeic way of referring to the modern scientific four states of matter: solids, liquids, gases, and plasma or electronic incandescence."

So, the ancients weren't so wrong after all!

Going to take a break while "Feel the Heat" by Robert Palmer is on the CD player...we want to multiply, are you gonna do it....

Ahem. I feel soooo much better now!

Remember our Egyptian goddess friend, Neith - the oldest goddess from before the time Upper and Lower Egypt were united. This is what Schneider has to say:

"We can create volume [to the universe with our ability to construct a square out of the Vesica Piscis] and clothe it with the four elements, or states, of matter. The ancients symbolized this materialization process by WEAVING (emphasis added). The earliest known goddess in prehistoric Egypt was Neith, goddess of WEAVING, wisdom, and war, later known to the Greeks as Athena (emphasis added). Although Neith is seen as a virgin goddess, her headdress of two crossed arrows symbolized the polar crossings of male and female principles, of warp and weft, needed to make cloth, the ancient symbol of matter. Diagonals represent crossing and fixing. Crossing, like multiplying, represents FERTILIZATION; this is the origin of the use of an "x" to indicate multiplication (emphasis added)[shades of Robert Palmer and "Feel the Heat", ooohhhh!]. Today, we speak of 'multiplying our progeny', 'cross-pollinating' plants, and 'cross-breeding' animals. The crossed arrows also represent the diagonals of a square. Upon her four-quartered loom Neith weaves the four states of "mater" [Latin word for "mother", from which the words "matter" and "matrix" arise] with which subsequent mother goddesses clothe newborn forms.

"In the Greek alphabet, whose letters represented numbers [Gematria], the words for 'goddess' and 'Gaia', or Mother Earth, each add up to fifteen, one unit from 16 [the one unit difference is allowed in Gematria](= 4x4), the square of a square and ultimate symbol of the ARCHETYPAL FEMININE AS FERTILE MOTHER GODDESS (emphasis added)".

Ooohhhh, now "Simply Irresistible" is on, pardon moi while I rock out once again...

Ahem. Yes, where was I? Oh yes! ... she used to look good to me, but now I find her simply irresistible....

Oops, sorry! LOL, darlings! What I REALLY wanted to say is this: we have further emphasis on the square Chessboard as a symbol for the Goddess and for fertility, and notice the diagonals crossing, meaning "multiplication". The Chessboard is the ultimate symbol of birth = creation!

Ref 686 ... Jan

mother = matter , earth

father = energy , sun

child = light

the words "matter energy light" = 90 when converted to number

remember the Knight moves at that 90 degree angle? Just read where the horse (Doralee) of the god Wodan had 8 legs and in other cultures around the world an 8 legged horse carries the shamans into the other world. Of course on the chessboard we have 8x8 = 64 squares.

Just thought of the Beatles song "8 Days a Week". "Beatles" = 64 (26 numerology)

360 = 64+8 + 64+8 + 64+8 + 64+8 + 64+8

Holmes, I've got it! So, the Knightess would be an expression of The Game's creative energy - the "child" of The Game, so to speak! The "Y" among all of those lovely "X"s!!!

Holmes, observe: your equation above could also be written as follows: 360=(5x8) + ([5x8]x8). Schneider talks about 40:

"In the classic symbolism of myth and religion, the number forty marks a passing beyond a worldy or fourfold material phase. This symbol of passage lends significance to Noah's rain of forty days and nights; it is also reflected in the life of Moses, whose 120 years encompassed three forty-year phases and who waited forty days on Mount Sinai to receive the Ten Commandments. The Israelites spent forty years wandering in the desert. Jesus' forty days in the wilderness, the forty days of Lent, Ali Baba's forty thieves, each recall the transformation of earth and self, often through physical ordeal. At the fortieth day of human pregnancy, the embryo becomes a fetus."

This introduces the more serious element of The Game and speaks to its power to transform those who would come to play Her!

Ref 688 Jan very cool about the 40 lots of good connections there.

40 + 24 = 5x8 + 3x8 = 64 = 0&1 = Alpha & Omega

Look at what the 5 and 3 show us:

5						3
						Thoth	Ahkenaten	Hermes
						Osiris	Isis	Horus
touch	see	smell	hear	taste		father	mother	child
love	fire	air	earth	water		energy	matter	light
capstone	base 1	base 2	base 3	base 4		light	spirit	body
thumb	finger 1	finger 2	finger 3	finger 4		sun	moon	earth
center	south	north	east	west		Mer	Ka	Ba

If you count the colored boxes there are 46 mirrored = 64

Recall that Hermes wrote "The Emerald Tablet" (green)
Isis and Nuit goddess are related to night sky (blue)

May Day!

I am caught up to post 251. At this rate I should be ready to contribute by summer solstice. Faster nag!

DMc

Lee, I joined this thread around post #130 (I'm also a chessplayer), and let me tell you, this is the most unusual chess game I've ever played in!

Don, I've enjoyed your wisdom over at the "God" site, I'm sure you could make a very good contribution here whenever you like.

All the research seems to point to chess being a ancient cipher, or alchemical code (not unlike I Ching or Tarot) and the painstaking research of Mark, Jan, Georgia, Alice, Vickie, Ron, and yours truly has all pointed in that direction.

BTW, I've heard from Ron Adams. Stunningly, he seems to have reconstituted his scattered atoms from that horrible time warp accident, and claims he will rejoin us soon. I believe he's clawed his way up to the 19th century by now, somewhere in Timbuktu....

Philip, that IS indeed good news about Ron! We must keep experimenting and bring him all the way back to the current time warp. Don, if you successfully read all the posts you get a prize, LOL! Upon completion, contact me, Chief Prize Administrator!

Holmes, as always, I am astounded! I failed to take the equation to its logical limit of the Alpha and Omega, even though I had talked about just such a few posts before! Forgive me, I am yet learning.

I have heard from Ricardo Calvo. He sent me a ton of information with intriguing details about connections between Alexander the Great and The Game, and also possible references to The Game in certain Jewish writings (not the Hebrew Scriptures). I have to digest it all and then I will report.

The June/July issue of the IDP newsletter (an international research project fronted by many major universities and academics which is undertaking a systematic archaeological study of the Silk Road) will contain a presentation/proposal of the IGK, which I, in my own incomparable and wonderful goddess way, had a small hand in putting together! Watch for it at http://idp.bl.uk/IDP/idpcurrnews.htm1.

Trying to go wire to wire but keep veering off the track. Derby Day will be long past before I get to collect any laurels. Charismatic who? DMc

Woah! Wait a miniute here. Jan or Vickie -With regard to previously mentioned archive pjt... If I am going to run the whole track might I not be cutting and pasting as I wend my way? Send advice and protocols. Have DTP/HTML - will travel. DMc

Hi everyone, decided to look up some chess words in my dream book ( Mary Summer Rain on Dreams) and thought you might be interested in what it says.

Chess illustrates the intricacies of life; the many moves.

Chessboard exemplifies the options which life presents to us.

Chess Piece alludes to which direction is open to us.

Queen characterizes a dominating personality (not necessarily a chess piece, just Queen is given)

Bishop applies to spiritual arrogance

Rook (chess piece) portrays a deception in one's life.

Knight characterizes an advocate; a champion of a cause or another individual; one who stands up for another. (not necessarily a chess piece in this interpetation)

Pawn (chess piece) applies to one who is "used" by another; may also indicate an opinion of self.

If you think of other chess words to check out, let me know and I will look.

Hi Don, RE the archive: I am working on it now. When we have it completed at least through post 500 we will get it set up on it's own website with a search feature so any key words can be searched for as well as being able to read through the posts in a more consolidated manner. It will take a while to get this done. So go ahead and read away. You will probably finish before I do. (LOL)

Rather than trying to abstract, I have pasted Ricardo's comments to me in full. Keats is a chess historian and was (perhaps still is) a very highly ranked competitive chess player (eek, saying that gives me chills - "competitive chess"). I believe I commented some time ago about Keats' references to petteia and his speculation that Alexander the Great not only played chess (or something very like) but was responsible for spreading it across the Middle East, Asia and India as he conquered and then set up Greek colonies in those territories. It was, in fact, while searching for further information on petteia that I found the IGK Group's website and "met" Gerhard and Ricardo.

The "Iskundree" game

Keats has recently shown "an enigmatic board game" in a Hebrew manuscript from the Vatican Library. Its signature is 171 (Asseman. "Bibliothecae apostol Vatic, Codd manuscr. Catalogus. Romae 1756, vol I, pp 134 ff) and the date is allegedly the 13th century. Its content refers partly to chess but there is also a square board of 9x9 cases, almost half of them bearing the numbers from 1 to 9, and the indication that the playing stones are 4 "challengers" and 3 "defenders" arranged upon the long diagonal. To explain the game, the Hebrew text gives in seven chapters a long list of possible situations suchas "In case of 1 and 9, 1 defeats 9, In case of 8 and 1, 8 defeats 1, in case of 1 and 1 the challenger defeats the defender,,," and so on.

The same text, but without diagram, appears in the pseudo-Aristotelian "Secretum secretorum", an interesting didactic work aimed at the education of medieval princes and kings .Its Arabic name is " Sirr al-asrar" and the first known compilation was done in Bagdad in the 8th century by Yahya ibn al-Batrik, a Christian-Nestorian who worked as translator in the court of al-Mamun. According to him, he found the original book in the temple of Hermes Trimegistos , in a volume written in letters of gold. Yahya translated the text first to the "rumi", and then into Arabic. The term "rumi" refers more frequently to Byzantine Greek or other Christian languages, but other times indicates Siriac, usually employed as a link of transmission betteen Greek and Arabic. So, the origin ist most probably Hellenistic.

The "Sirr al asrar" had three translations in Europe. The first one,in Latin, was done in Spain by Johannes Hispalensis, a Jew also named Avendehut ( a corruption of Ibn Dawud) who was working in Toledo between 1135 and 1153. The second one, also in Spain, was a Hebrew version from the 13th century done by Judah al Harizi around 1190-1218, and differs from the others because of a chapter on alchemy. Derived from this version is the Latin translation by Philip of Tripoli.

In the 13th century, the circle of translators of King Alfonso the Wise produced a translation into Castilian under the tittle "Poridat de las poridades " or "Secret of the secrets". I have been using the edition by Lloyd A. Kasten (Madrid 1957).

The content starts with the atribution of the work to Aristoteles, teacher of Alexander the Great. The King had already conquered Persia and had difficulties in matters of government, so he asked for help in a letter to Aristoteles, who refuses to travel to Persia because of his age, but sends instead the treatise of secrets. There are 8 chapters, dealing with matters such as royal behaviour, justice, military tactics, fisiognomy, medical preventions and even astrological mineralogy.

In the chapter dealing with war secrets appears the text which the Hebrew manuscript connects with a diagram of 9x9. The King should never begin a battle without using first several esoteric calculations which must be known only by the initiated, because it serves as a prediction of the final result of the contest. The secret method applies not only to war, but to any dispute between two parties, collective or individual.

The method consists in the Gematric inquiry of the names of the contenders. After obtaining its numerical value, 9 units must be substracted once and again until the final result ranges from 1 to 9. Then the list of all possible situations ("in case of 2 and 9, 9 wins against 2" etc) foretells which party shall obtain the victory. When the names of both contenders have the same final value, the list explains depending if the number is impair or not when a challenger defeats the defender.

One of the examples is as follows: The Gematric value of Moses is 345. Substracting 9 units sucesively the final result is 3. The Hebrew letters of Amalech sum 340, and the division by 9 end finally in 6. Then, according to the list, 6 wins against 3 and Amalech would defeat Moses. Because of this, Moses decided that his troops should be led by Josuah, whose Gematric value is 397 , with a final figure after substracting 9 many times triumphs against the 6 of the defeated Amalech. The same reason, the text says, explained the victory of Abner against king Agad, (The story is interesting, but the given calculation is wrong, because the real rest of Amalech after substracting 37 times 9 is 7 and not 6, According to the list, both Moses (345 and 3 als end rest) and Josuah (397 and 1 als final rest) would win against the 7 of Amalech, but 6 would defeat the 1 as well as the 3.)

The text says that this is the "great prove of the prophet Daniel" (an anacronism if already Moses had used it) and that " men of science" call it "the calculation of Alexander". So, the diagram in the Vatican manuscript may be one form of the "iskundree game". The rationale of the game remains enigmatic.

The "iskundree game" occurs in the Talmud (Shebuoth 29 a) and Keats gives a list of interpretations: A game played with pieces on a board (Rashi), a game played with small pieces of wood (Rabbenu Nissim or Nissim Gerondi, 14th century), a children¨s game with counters (Nathan ben Jechiel), a game with little dogs (Rabbi Hannanael ben Hushiel). An interesing point is another Talmudic reference (Kiddushin 21 b) were two judges are conducting an argument, and one says to the other: "When you were at Mar Samuel´s academy you wasted your time playing iskundri". Keats points out that this reference gives unambiguosly this pasage as early as the third century AD.

Iskundree refers to Alexander, and is also a toponimic of a lot of cities in Persia and central Asia which kept during centuries the Hellenistic heritage. The number of Iskundree cities varies in the references.. Plutarch (De Alexandri Fortuna 1, 5. Moralia p. 328e) says there were 70. In the Arabic literature appears a long list of at least 30 cities in India, Iran and middle East, including today´s Alexandria.

Comments, opinions?

 Ref 697 ... Jan interesting that a 9x9 board pops up and that the names were
resolved to 1-9 and that determines a victor.

"Iskundree" = 43 = "Jesus Christ"   (using 9 numerology)

5	4	3
6	9	2
7	8	1

Note the red squares are in female position "odd"
yellow are in male "even" and the green center "heart"
chakra color is in the center. Note these colors
in the previous post. Also note the chromosome
XX XY chess Knight movement pattern in the above
matix. Notice how a counterclockwise spiral is formed
moving from the 1 to the 9.

Alice, greetings! Here it is Sunday evening already and you will be off again! Regarding your post 695, it is most interesting that these interpretations came out of a book on dream analysis! I find a number of the references "right on" what we have discussed here. That surely shows the connection of the goddess (i.e., heavenly) to The Game.

First impressions about Ricardo's information: can we be sure that the translation done by Yahya ibn al-Batrik is a "true" translation? We no longer have the "original' to compare to it for confirmation. He was a "christian", albiet a "nestorian christian". Can we be sure of his intellectual/translating integrity and honesty? Numerous early "christians" had a nasty habit of altering what they considered "pagan" texts to conform with their own belief/value systems. And since they were usually the only "educated" folks around (who could read and write) no one would have been the wiser as to what the translators were doing.

Yes, Mark, the references to the 9X9 board is intriguing, since we have often times seen here the 81 mirrors 18 = Love equation. And, of course, 8+1=9 and 1+8=9, there is our perfect 9. Eek! Can you imagine constructing a 9 by 9 magic square!

Finally, for this evening, I cannot resist! Notice in post 697 that "the playing stones are 4 'challengers' and 3 'defenders' [total: 7] arranged upon the long diagonal [9]". We have "7 of 9"! Is this a hidden reference to The Game from one of the writers of "Star Trek Voyager", who named a character "7 of 9"? LOL, darlings!

Greetings, Lee, Ricardo and Gerhard,

I was looking at the pyramid on the U.S. Dollar bill again. The top of the pyramid is without cap stone. Now if we look at this pyramid from the top down, the middle would be a square, just like on a chess board, the 4 squares that make up the larger square hold a value of 4 which equals woman. Above the pyramid is an eye. I have a feeling this eye is the Mother Goddess Eye. Mothers see everything, well at least my Mom does, I couldn't get away with anything when I was growing up. If I did something wrong or lied, all my mom had to do was look at me, ARRRRRGH busted.

LOVE

G

May the Hand of the Goddess Always be with You.

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