Jan Newton - 09:27pm May 11, 1999 MST (#800 of 809)

Well, looks like the honors of being post #800 falls on moi, darlings! Holmes, "tube torus"! Shades of the pattern on the t.v. screen when that old chestnut "The Outer Limits" was on back in the '60's! I know exactly what you're talking about, LOL, simply visualized in 3-D!

On a somewhat wierder note, thought I'd pop in the name "Mountbatten" on the Yahoo search engine this evening just before beddy-bye time, and to my amazed and shocked eyes, came up - not with a webpage or info on the Earl of Mountbatten as I'd expected (looking for dates of birth and death), but with a page on the current Bonnie Prince William! Eek, and EEK again!

Try it yourselves! I typed in "Mountbatten" on the yahoo search engine, and up popped two pages, one of which was www.gilmer.net/royalty/william/. Sent shivers up and down my spine, especially after reading deLion's material referenced earlier on "Jeanne La pucelle and the Dying God".

One can't help but ask whether Mountbatten was the "sacrificial king" for the then as yet unborn future king, the current Prince William. But then, who was Diana sacrifice for? Prince Charles? Egad!

Hi Georgia - Glad you liked the urls. Pi says that they are not for grade - but for "grid".

Pi applauds the geometry that has emerged from recent posts and sends kudos to Jan and Marc for their wonderful insights. Said they were exemplary - then gave me the ol' evil eye and had me sit in the corner with a dunce cap on while I worked with squares and circles on the computer screen.

Came up with a chessboard grid (not yet perfect) and a few interesting shapes which emerged through a blundering misinterpretation of Mark's simple instructions. Still managed to astonish myself. I can forward the simple 8x8 white and grey grid pattern to anyone who might find such things convenient.

 Ref 801 Don ... there are no mistakes perhaps you discovered something else - if you send it to me
I will see if I can get it posted for everyone to see. By the way the word "Pi" in 9 numerology = 16
or 8+8 (8 pawns + 8 other pieces). I read last night where our playing card deck used to have a "Knight"
but this was eliminated with the church purging all the archtype's of the Tarot deck. The Knights Templar
followed Hermetics and this included tarot. A chess pattern is common in Hermetic practices. A "grid"
can refer to a crystalline energy structure and the alchemists believed "salt" was the end product of alchemy
recall the saying "salt of the Earth" and salt has a cubic crystalline structure.  A cube has the same number
of vertices as a star-tetrahedron which on paper looks like a star of David. The top tetrahedron (triangle) is
known as the Sun male tetrahedron and the bottom tetrahedron is the Earth female tetrahedron.
"As Above ... So Below"

Jan you will probaly like this and it seems to connect why "Mountbatten" is on your mind.

"Mountbatten" = 37 = "Black Madonna"

Mark - this is fascinating! How do you do it? Yes - it was the Star of David that peered out from the "mistake". I'll attempt a forward ASAP. I am using a high quality vector software to create a perfect grid - but even this is trickier than I thought. QuarkXpress may be more precise than Illustator and will give that a try once I have time. CAD software is probably the most appropriate choice for this undertaking - but alas, my desktop has no FPU.

 
Don and everyone here are some links that have some pictures you may enjoy. I decided to look around on
the net and find things people already have provided rather than try to post it myself. You can click on the links
and I have also included the web address for each link.

LINK star tetrahedron design 2D note two big triangles the one pointing up is the Sun male and the triangle pointing
downward is the Earth female. you can imagine them as more 3D ( http://proxy3.ba.best.com/~dna/fol/13.gif )

LINK drawing of the black and white fibonacci spirals sort of on the chess board  ( http://www.best.com/~dna/fol/22.gif )

LINK lots of stuff to look at - index of drawings  octahedron, icosahedron, etc...( http://proxy3.ba.best.com/~dna/fol/ )

deLion, Mark is psychic - we are all used to it by now, LOL! Good morning, Mark. I particularly like your post 798 and the obvious conclusion that can be drawn from the numbers - Chess is the final completion, the ending, the perfect Game! I do have a question - how can one tell which triangle is on the top and which one is on the bottom of the Star of David figure? By the way they're pointed?

The Mountbatten/Black Madonna thing is scary - remember her connection to the Knights Templar. It occurred to me this morning that Mountbatten may have been the "king sacrifice" not for Prince William ("Wills"), but for Prince Charles himself - ala Thomas 'a Beckett and Henry. And that would mean Diana was the sacrifice for her own son! Talk about archetypes!

By the by, Mark, look at the line-up of playing cards as chess pieces:

Pawns: 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9

King; Queen; pull 2 ten's for the Rooks; pull two ace's for the Bishops; and pull two jacks (knaves) for the Knights.

Check out the definitions from the good ol' trusty Webster's:

knave [ME from OE cnafa; akin to OHG knabo boy] (archaic) boy servant; male servant; man of humble birth of position; (modern) tricky deceitful fellow.

knight [ME from OE cniht; akin to OHG kneht youth, military follower, OE cnotta knot].

Appears that knave and knight may have the same linguistic root from the old high german. One can speculate that the meaning of knave changed after the Templars fell under suspicion (early on in their history) and then into disrepute and finally, alleged extinction. However, the memory of them wasn't extinguished; the knight's face on the card stayed the same, only the name was changed. More intriguing is the reference to "knot" in connection with "knight". I know that certain knots were symbols for certain goddesses and gods; I'm currious as to what the connection could possibly be.

Jan interesting about the "knot" and "knight" this makes me think of the "celtic knot" drawings. I beleive the Celts were Goddess oriented and their artwork shows connections of things interwoven.

"knave" = 17 (1+7=8) the center number between 1 and 17 is 9. We see 9 in the star-tetrahedron. What if there are a pair of star-tetrahedrons the we have 4+4 + 1 + 4+4 = 17.

Mark, wow! I took a quick peek at the geometric figures! Way cool, particularly the "Flower of Life" - all those Vesica Pisces just waiting to give birth, LOL! Amazing what one can do with a Xena Magic Compass, though I have by no means progressed to that artistic point - I'm still happy to turn a circle without lifting my pencil from the paper and going back to retrace! BTW, now I know why I have always been attracted to the "knaves" - our numbers are the same - 8! On the other hand, I've sometimes been called a "knave" myself.....and lots of other unmentionable things! LOL, darlings!

 Jan ref 807 Flower of Life is associated with the MerkaBa meditiation here is
their website (http://www.floweroflife.org )

"Flower of Life" = 69

the 6 & 9 are mirrors of each other the 180 degrees like the two tetrahedrons (triangles) in the
star-tetrahedron. Notice how the 69 also looks like a yin/yang symbol. And we see the 37 "knave"
or "black madonna" come up again here with chess 32 yin + 32 yang = 64 squares.

32 + 5 + 32 = 69      wow! a double 37 (32 + 5)

Recall the star-tetrahedron has the same number of vertices (points) as a cube 8+1center=9
and the cube has 6 faces here is our 69 again. If we connect the center of the cube to each
of the vertices (corners) then we would have 6 4-sided pyramids whose capstones are the
center of the same cube. This could also be 3 "trinity" octahedrons if the 6 pyramids are paired.
 
 
 

You have lost me, Holmes. I thought the value of knave was 8, not 37? Where did the 37 come from? I'm still stuck on 69. That number seems to keep popping up, doesn't it! Occurred to me today - duh - that all of us born in 1951 graduated from high school in good ol' '69!

ref 809 Jan ... well I am not sure why I referenced knave with 37 so I thought about it for about 10 seconds and this popped into my head:

"Isis Knave" = 37

The Knights Templar were knaves of the goddess or black madonna.

Isis -> Nuit -> Night -> Knight -> Black -> Black Madonna

Ref.# 805

Jan, the triangle pointing down is the female, notice the shape, it is the yoni. The triangle pointing down represents silver. The triangle pointing up is the male and also the symbol for gold.

Don, I would really like a copy of the grid you did, I can use it with my research. Give Pi a pat on the head for me.

LOVE

G

Yes Georgia - I will forward - The 8X8 may be bulky. Will also do a 4x4 as well - these as soon as I see geometric perfection in my work. Hope to have this to you sometime tonight or tomorrow. Soon in any case. Ditto Mark - but first I want to take a look at all the other preceeding links you have provided.

Right now I see the following links as being of the UTMOST IMPORTANCE and would impress upon one and all to have a serious go at them. Pi is grinning from ear to ear. This is one happy dragon!

KNIGHTS TEMPLAR http://www.euroknightstemplar.org/history.htm

BLACK MADONNA http://www.udayton.edu/mary/meditations/blackmdn.html

For those who wish to read ahead - GO - Alta Vista Search - (do not settle for less) - and punch in BLACK MADONNA... EVERYTHING - that falls out of this simple inquiry is of direct significance to YOU!!

We might also wish to research whatever church edicts, organizations and personages created the great watershed which forced the final suppression of Templars, Cathars and other related GNOSTIC cults & organizations during the Middle Ages. James II - Cromwell, the great epidemic of witch burnings which took place during his reign in England may help us focus on one tiny square of an intrigue which swept Europe and resulted in the demise of the Templars. I suspect we will find the Dominicans quite involved although I hesitate to point an accusing finger in any specific direction at this stage of the game. There were many unwitting dupes. There still are. The child of the chessboard may yet extract an intellectual and spiritual vengence.

What was lost is found. Of this we can now be certain through the remarkable discovery of the Nag Hamaddi Library and other non-cannonical literature. We are stepping into what many mainstream Protestants and Catholics might describe as a great heresy - sometimes earmarked as The Pauline Apostasy. It is a frightening thing - the most frightening thing that I know. Do not fear. Lux lucit in tenebris.

Farther back in time, during the formative days of the modern church, a certain die was cast. Some such as I, tend to view the bloody hand behind the church's historical gambit - its melding into staecraft - as belonging to Constantine I and his celebrated Council at Nicea. While it is impossible to undo what has been done - or to question the "Agency" whose will has brought us to this square - The Holy Roman Empire, as established through Constantine and the church fathers of his day appears to have delivered a self-serving vision of the Goddess and her Child while gutting Christianity per se of a significant portion of its history and transformative substance. I have many links for this as well. The evidence appears to be insurmountable.

deLion, it is possible, I know it be so, to survive with our soul's intact, to separate out the apostates' b.s. from the true. Your "feelings" vis a vis the Council at Nicea are "gut level". Go with it, mon homme. Those who participated therein participated in legitimatizing the greatest apostasy of all time, with reverberations echoing down to this day. If there were such a place as "Burning Eternal Hellfire", "they" would reside there forever. Alas (I say 'alas' only with respect to certain persons who would, mayhap, benefit from a stay for awhile with some potent God-type fire poking up their asses) there is no such place, as a close, comprehensive reading of scripture will support. Be damned to the "Bible Thumpers" who think they KNOW the Bible. Believe me, darlings, I KNOW the Bible, and it ain't so. Take it from me, an "alternative" Bible Thumper.

Jan - I am with you in spirit, although, I would state that, for my own part, this is more than a "gut feeling". This is also about certitude and eXperience in all its many forms. Thus it is that I have entered us both into the commission of a terrible tactical blunder. I see the error and now I am pressed to withdraw. This is how cats loose their 9 lives.

Given such precious things as a mind and a heart and a soul and a spirit, I should be truly ashamed of my previous post. It was hardly inclusive proposes a dangerous incitement. Why is it so easy to tip the balance?

My humble apologies. Yes, there have been injustices done to the Goddess, but to respond in kind is such a terrible trap to fall into. All the high ground is lost and amid the sound and fury a precious foothold on objectivity is relinquished as a result.

Discrimination, not recrimination is what I should be seeking. A sense of peace and progress - the very thing that made me feel comfortable here to begin with. I shall not disturb this discussion again with my rhetoric. To fall prey to one's own anger and indignation is precisely how the divide and conquer achieves its foothold. This is how we arrived at where we are today.

That much said, it would be only half the truth to state that the mystery cults of the Gnostics and the Templars did not instigate some of the excesses and corruption that led to their ultimate downfall. Admittedly there are two sides to every chess board and in a certain court of appeal, today I would more carefully posture that the whitewash of the Goddess appears to signify an historical necessity - a temporary position in the quest towards balance and harmony. So, for the time being I suppose its all about honest hard work - and knowing how to land on your feet. Right Xena?

Chess grid is a fait accompli. I shall be forwarding two versions of these tomorrow. Heck! It IS tomorrow!

 Everyone , I was reading last night how the Catholic church had to replace "pagan" images
with thier own. Hermes was replaced with St Michael and the Isis with Mary. The hermetic
peoples taught equality between the sexes and it is interesting how a good idea seems to live
forever. The Catholics have gotten to a point where Mary is equal with Christ and they may
even politically state this. Talk about Alchemy working Magic! This is what many felt the
Knights Templar were trying to do merge hermetic and church teachings into One.

"Alchemy" = 31 or 13 (mirror)

"Christ Mary Joseph" = 81 or 18 (mirror) (8+1) + (1+8) = 18

"Catholic Church" = 69

The numbers seem to be telling us the magic of the Templars is alive and well. The Dark Ages
can be looked at in terms of Alchemy as part of its natural phase. Interesting that the story of
Christ, Mary, and Joseph was infused into the Catholic church. In the Bible Christ says
"look within to find God" and this is exactly what the Templars,Gnostics,Essenes taught.
Christ also says "To enter heaven you must do so as a Child" and this was what the hermitic
alchemist was doing creating his/her own inner child. Magic has strange ways : )

The Mayans called the heartbeat of our Galactic Mother "Hunab Ku" and notice the first and
last (alpha / omega) letters of that name begin the word H u-man.

"Human Heart" = 46

46 human chromosomes and of course the mirrorof 46  is 64 (chess)
 

 I was pondering the Knight & Knightess and we see 4 Knights in the Bible's
Revelations chapter 6 each riding a different color horse here is a table of the info:
 

6:2	White horse	bow & crown	2nd seal	Lion
6:4	Red horse	great sword	3rd seal	Calf
6:5	Black horse	pair balances	4th seal	Man
6:8	Pale horse	death & hell	5th seal	Eagle

It is interesting that Man riding the Black horse "black knight" represented
by "black madonna" is carrying the balances! The 4th seal is also represented
in our 7 chakras (1) Root (2) Spleen (3) Solar plexus (4) Heart (5) Throat
(6) Third eye (7) Crown so Man being the 4th seal is the Heart chakra. The heart
chakra is traditionally colored Green like an emerald. This is the color of Thoth/Hermes
"The Emerald Tablet".

Recall Hermes said he was three times born?  4 x 4 x 4 = 64 chess squares

64 = 6+4 = 10 = 1+0 = 1 + 64 = 65 = rev 6:5 "the black horse with balances of heart"

For Jan

Some of the properties of this 8x8 matrix are:

1)all the rows, columns and diagonals add to 260

2)any half-row or half column total 130

3)the four corners add to 260; the middle total also add to 260

4)any bent diagonals (such as 52-3-5-54-10-57-63-16 or 61-62-12-12-43-23-56-2-1) add to 260

5)any contiguous 4 squares also add to 130

Any other patterns, analysis, I leave it to the posters in the folder.

Enjoy

52	61	4	13	20	29	36	45
14	3	62	51	46	35	30	19
53	60	5	12	21	28	37	44
11	6	59	54	43	38	27	22
55	58	7	10	23	26	39	42
9	8	57	56	41	40	25	24
50	63	2	15	18	31	34	47
16	1	64	49	48	33	32	17

Other patterns to the 8x8 matrix in post #817.

For any 4x4 square within the 8x8 matrix:

eg

10 23 26 39

56 41 40 25

15 18 31 34

49 48 33 32

a. the corner numbers add to 130

b. the 2 middle numbers in the top row plus the 2 middle numbers in the bottom row also add to 130. Likewise, the 2 middle numbers of the first column plus the 2 middle numbers on the last column add to 130

John! A present? For me? How sweet, darling! I shall take your wonderful magic square to the office tomorrow and play with it all day! Is it a pan magic square? We shall see! My very own magic square - just what the female geometer wants!

Mark, I swear, you are on a "holy tear", LOL! I will think about what you posted tomorrow, I am must too tired to do so tonight.

DeLion, Xena says go for it! We are all free agents in this group, each on his or her own path, each contributing uniqueness and vision and inspiration to one another. That is what The Weave is all about. You have found a home here, darling, don't hold back now from misplaced second thoughts.

 John ... ref 817 matrix

If you do single digits adds for example 52 + 61 would be 5+2 + 6+1 = 14 then

The rows     sum to 53, 53, 53, 62, 62, 62, 53, 62
The columns sum to 53, 53, 62, 53, 53, 62, 62, 62
The 4 squares forming a square =  31 or 22 and 22+31 = 53

I wondered why we see a difference when summing this way?
Seems like a problem at first but then I looked closer at the numbers and this is what I found:

53 + 9 = 62           and            22 + 9 = 31

These numbers are all very significant to me. I spent 62 days in the mayan Telektonon and on
that 62nd day received my spirit name "Foton Fonon" = 53 summed in 9 numerology.

The 260 you reported before is the total number of kin in that mayan sacred Tzolkin and kin 130
is "13 Oc" also called "White Cosmic Dog" this kin 130 is in the heart center of the tzolkin and it
means "Cosmic Heart".

Well ... what about those numbers 31 & 22?

22 is the number of steps down into mayan Pacal Votan's tomb at Palenque in Mexico at the
Temple of Inscriptions. 13 + 9 = 22. The mirror of 13 is 31 and "Arcturus" = 31 the Arcturus
star system is in the Bootes constellation and the Arcturians are known as the "Beings of Love"
in this Milky Way galaxy. When we combine 31 & 13 we get 3113bc the start year of the mayan
calendar and of course 31+13 = 44 = 22+22.

We also see the number of Chess "8" is in 53=5+3=8 and 62=6+2=8      what is this 8?
The 8th mayan solar glyph is "Lamat" also know as "Yellow Star" and it is also called by some
"the Sheild of Arcturus".

Arcturus and Maya are both star systems and have teamed up to assist us in our spiritual evolution.

"Arcturus" = 31
"Maya"      = 13

The Galactic Goddess Mother is Singing to Our Hearts

G'day

Jan - No mistake - I need to find a better way to phrase certain things more inclusively. I have just come from another section of the Art Bell message board where fundies and their adversaries (with a few notably enlightened exceptions) make a hobby out of setting fire to each other's Bibles etc. It never ends and I've already spent enough time in that hell to know that there are no winners in a game like that.

Bucky Ball is another matter entirely! 'Course I had it WRONG!! Greogia - for some reason I was thinking "Earth Ball" not these little carbon molecules. No wonder Pi wanted to play. Pi knows carbon. They appear to be much simpler that the ones which Mark has posted though. See the fullerines at:

http://www.twr.ac.za/jos7.htm

Mark - those diagrams in the "colouring book" - I've been trying to find something like that on the web for years. Came up with Arthur M. Young at one point - (essays mostly) - but never got to "see" the actual geometry. You know, ever since I was a kid I have always had a fascination for geometry - but - irony of ironies - it took me three kicks at the can in high school to actually manage a bare pass. I HATED Euclid and absolutely rebelled from memorizing 114 of his idiotic propositions just to satisfy what I esteemed to be a course in mindless busy work. Ditto the periodic table. Why? Why? Why?

Thanks for posting these wonderful baubles and beables. Some were so positively transporting that I was actually tempted to set foot in a few of them...again :-)

deLion, those are wonderful graphics Mark found! If you are interested, in your spare time (ha ha!), I highly recommend you read Michael Schneider's book "A Beginner's Guide to Constructing the Universe - The Mathematical Archetypes of Nature, Art and Science". He is the one I have been raving about in previous posts. His sacred geometry is nothing like Euclidean geometry, and tons of fun. When I read him, I find myself constantly going "yes, I understand! Yes!, I UNDERSTAND! YES, YES, YES!"

John, I have barely scratched the surface of deconstructing your pan magic square - I do believe it is one! Mark had a most interesting post on it, don't you think?

Mark, regarding your post 816, while I was puttering around in the law library today it suddenly occurred to me that there is another symbol that carries scales - that is the Goddess of Justice herself! In one hand she carries the scales of justice, and in the other hand she carries the Sword of Truth. An apt representation of both the Knight and the Black Madonna.

Chat, chat, chat tomorrow night at 11:00 p.m. Central Standard Time! Hope you all can make it!

DeLion, thank you for the site about bucky balls, I thought Pi would like to pick out one of the custonized bucky balls shown:) While we are discussing carbon, concider carbon 13, the most frequently found form of carbon. Now, look at the name CARbon. I wonder if there is a connection with the Goddess Car. Diamonds (octohedral) are made of carbon. While reading Graves book The White Goddess there was a footnote about ointments made by priestesses of soot(carbon, bucky balls are found in soot) fats and plants like Yarrow for healing purposes and other uses.

Manna for thought.

LOVE

G

May Manna Always be with You.

G, that is a most provocative post! Was "CARbon" named after the goddess CAR, even if perhaps the scientific types didn't quite realize it? Manna for thought, indeed.

I am in love with the whole wide world this very early morn (though perhaps it is still evening where you are)! I feel alive, and vital and YOUNG and vunerable, and all kinds of wonderful (and very scary! EEK!) stuff! And smiling, GOD, am I ever smiling! And laughing, and singing my fool head off, very off-key! If Mario Lanzo could only hear me, he'd be spinning, positively spinning, in his grave!

I care not!

Poor Schneider! He was jealous, darling that he is! I was spending FAR too much time with Graves' "The White Goddess", and sadly neglecting my own very wonderful and personal Sacred Geometry. I have come back to the fold, and Schneider is once again smiling. I am almost finished with "tetrad", and moving onto "Pentad". My den is filled with little construction paper constructs of geometric "volumes", LOL!

I am SO VERY GLAD I am alive! Sorry, darlings, I get carried away by the music I am listening to both on the CD Rom and inside mine very own head! Right now playing a song from "Mr. Holland's Opus", by Julian Lennon, "Cole's Song", which has and will forever speak to me. "I was lost, but now I'm found...."

Before calling it a night, want to post these few thoughts, from Schneider's most wonderful book, "A Beginner's Guide to Constructing the Universe":

"Everything created shares the urge to create. ... All creation is due to polarity. Every birth occurs through this interpretation of positive and negative, light and dark, male and female, god and goddess, electricity and magnetism, and the two circles of the 'vesica piscis' where geometric forms configure".

If I never understand another thing as long as I live, I will remember these wonderful - "wonder filled" - words!

Good night, darlings! Going off to bed to the sounds of "One, Two, Three" by Len Barry! Of course! Nothing could be simpler, could it!

Jan,

if I remember correctly you favorite number is 8. Hence, the 8x8 matrix.

Yes, it is pan magic. A pan magic square has more properties or patterns than a regular magic square and one of its unique patterns is the "bent" or "broken" diagonals. However, there are very few pan magic squares of any order.

Mark,

very interesting the sum of the individual digits of each row and columns, but you lost me on the rest.

also, given the following points to represent the 8x8 square:

A E B

F I G

C H D

where A-B-C-D the corner points of the 8x8 and A-E-F-I one of the 4x4 squares within the 8x8 square.

1)along the A-I-D diagonal: 52-17 =35 34-3=31 40-35=35 54-23=31

2)along the B-I-C diagonal: 45-16=29

63-30=33 57-28=29 43-10=33

3)along the A-I and F-E (or any other minor) diagonals:

54-52=2 5-3=2 13-11=2 62-60=2

same story for the E-G and B-I minor diagonals.

However, for the two bottom minor diagonals (I-C and I-D) their difference is 6.

and 2+6 = 8 and the sum of the total for the 8x8 (rows, columns, two major diagonals and the broken diagonals) is also 8(ie, 260 = 2+6+0 = 8.

Good morning (from my time, at least) John! Except for about 2 1/2 hours, more or less, I was absorbed in your Pan Magic Cube! Hah! I knew it! But then you gave so many clues!

You must look at Mark's numbers with a "new eye". Are you at all familiar with numerology? That comprehends a great deal (but by no means all) of what Mark does! I should long since be abed. I may perhaps no longer be making any sense at all. Check out what Mark is saying, John. It will, I am convinced, speak on a most personal level to you, if you will only let it! Good night, all!

 Jan regarding posts 824 & 826 it sounds like your personal crystaline geometeric
energy fields are dancing all over the Chess board ... great!!! Creation is meant to
be F-U-N and you certainly are having some fun. I love what you wrote about the
Goddess holding the "Scales of Balance" and the sword. The sword could be
"Excaliber" from the tales of King Authur. It is the sword of Truth.
We also see a sword in the Bible's Revelations.

John ref 825 ... sorry you got lost when I write I forget my personal experiences
help me understand it ... however I feel that if you open all sides of your ability to
percieve the message will get clearer to you. It make take a little bit and may not pop
into your mind at first but give it a little time. I will also try to write a little more completely.
 

Ref 823 Georgia ... very cool about CARbon and there are two primary elements of life
Carbon and Silicon. Carbon can form very very long strings and this can do what? Likewise
our mother Earth has alot of Silicon in her cystaline crust. We thru our "consciouss" CARbon
can form a diamond in our Earth Goddess Heart. You mentioned octahedral and the three pyramids
at Giza form three octahedrons with their "above & below". These three pyramids form a trinity.
Octa means 8 and trinity of eight is 888.

8+8+8 = 24
the Arcturan name for our Sun is "Velatropa 24"
the Mayan name for our Sun is "Kinich Ahau"
Earth is known as "Velatropa 24.3" and of course 2+4+3 = 9

The Earth is a Goddess Mother to Us All

G'day toute monde

Well, Georgia, Jan, Mark and John, Pi says that now the Chess Board has a little carbon and a little hydrogen - what are we gonna make of it?

Pi is salivating! Apparently, God knows carbon, and even goes on the record as saying it was "very good" - while also publishing His recipe for creepy crawlers and little carbon people. Apparently He had big plans for red clay. Pi says he was there when the G man was doing His Julia Childe imitation and back then had half an urge to steal the recipe - (it was that good). Long since cured of larcenous ambitions, (or so he claims) Pi now doubles as a Bunsen burner, enjoys flambe and will settle for a large Bucky Ball instead of the whole enchalada. I'm not so sure though - I caught him browsing the through the Whole Earth Catalogue the other day and he had that look on his face. Hmmm...

By the way, there is a classy creperie here in Montreal called the "Magic Pan." Yummy!

 Don - ref 828 ....hhmmmmm... what can we make out of CARbon and HYDROgen.

Hydrogen is element 1
   Carbon is element  6
   Oxygen is element  8      (seems we also need oXYgen for ORGANic chemistry)

1+6+8 = 15 = 1+5 = 6 Carbon , the sixth chakra is the "Third Eye" and relates to the pituitary gland.
This gland looks like a pine cone or "lotus flower" and appears that the King's chamber in the Great
Pyramid activated this pituitary gland when someone laid in the sacophagus.

The 1 6 and 8 also form the "Golden Mean"  1.618

1 x 6 x 8 = 48 = 44+4 chromosomes and of course 4 x 4 x 4 = 64 chess board squares

What is element 4?  beryllium and "emerald" has this in it ... recall Hermes "The Emerald Tablet"
go look up the Beryl crystal's atomic pattern and it forms the "Flower of Life" pattern recall the
coloring book website. Of couse the Emerald is Green the color of the 4th Human Chakra Heart
and this color Green is also associated with the Goddess Isis.

The Crown of the Cosmic Tree is Green

Greetings, Mark! Yes, I am having fun, wheeeee! Sorry, I will try not to exude my happiness all over the place, LOL! I am an adult woman, after all, I can control myself (sort of).

Yes, the Sword the Goddess of Justice holds is very powerful - the Sword of Truth. It is the same Sword spoken of elsewhere in the Bible besides Revelation, although there it very much comes to the forefront (literally) and protrudes out of the King of King's mouth as he rides forward to do battle with the forces of evil, yikes!

deLion, the Magic Pan, yummy! We used to have one here, but it went out of business and now there is no place to get wonderful crepes - my favorites were the dessert crepes, of course! At first I thought Mark was going to do something with CARbon and HYDROgen and come up with CARBOHYDRATES, LOL! Sorry, fattening food on the brain today. Hmmmm, going to raid the refrigerator now...where ARE those Girl Scout cookies...

Hi everyone, back again. I figured the date for 8/13/1999 and will post it here as it is not very long. This is the temporary vibration for that date, please be aware the shorter the length of time the less accuracy in these temporary vibrations.

Good health, satisfaction, marriage to a wealthy individual. This is an excellent cycle for business matters, as long as you maintain an honest, persevering attitude. Through steady application, the coffers are filled, and you feel a sense of satisfaction and physical accomplishment at a job well done.

Outer comfort lends inner tranquility, a healing balm for any ailment. Your optimistic, serene attitude will bring about improvements in health. You may put on weight; therefore, be selective of the type and amount of food you eat.

Marriage here will usually involve wealth and may be for security instead of, or along with, love. The home will be well supplied with food and material comforts.

Be careful not to overindulge in food or drink. Examine your pursuits and desires now. Will they lead to freedom from anxiety, poverty and insecurities or just replace one set of restrictions with another?

You asked for Princess Grace's Life Lesson Number it was a 44/8. This is a master number and would not reduce under most circumstances to the base number 8.

44/8 as a personal number vibration: This is a master number and, as such, demands more from you. You are a steady worker. You will persevere in your chosen goal because you exercise discipline. You conform to the demands of a situation, and make the best of it. You prefer to be in an environment where steady progress brings concrete results. Your success comes from useful enterprises.

You are extremely resourceful and cautious. You plan your actions well in advance. You could achieve distinction in political or military affairs, where self-discipline and expediency are the keys to success. You are brave in battle. You possess the will to face adversity and the energy to overcome obstacles through sustained effort.

Common sense and logic back up your judgements. You enjoy order and stability. Yours is a conventional approach to life. There is a great deal of the materialist in you. Guard against too deep a desire for fame and possessions. This could lead to overwork, poor health and material losses. You then close yourself into an ignorant, do-nothing world and become disoriented and frustrated. Therefore, you should investigate new opportunities to broaden your horizons. Make room in your orderly existence for things you did not plan on.

You are well developed physically, mentally and emotionally, but you may be missing the intuitive link. The opportunity to develop this side of your character is present. Work on becoming aware of what you cannot see; tune in to your inner self. When you have achieved this awareness, you can express the master number vibration. Serve the material needs of the world through productive actions, actions first inspired on the inner plane. You can supply the comfort and common sense advice that keeps this world together.

Tarot Symbolism: Four of Cups. The figure is seated in quiet contemplation and concentration. He sees three full cups in front of him, and seems unaware of a fourth cup being offered by the Hand of God coming from the cosmic cloud (hidden wisdom). If he seeks divine aid with patience, meditation, self-control and persistence, it is available to him. His calm physical appearance shows that mental activity is what brings him results. He must choose a worthwhile goal or the proffered cup will be lost.

Astrological Correspondence: Third decan Cancer. This decan will be felt more on the mystical or inner plane than on the extroverted personality plane. Thus you are more sensitive to vibrations around you or those coming into your aura from outside contacts. You are kind, hospitable and sympathetic. You may be attracted to a career in nursing, dietetics or some phase of social work dealing with the handicapped. A life of service to others befits this vibration. Your ideals are high, but you need to keep your dreams practical.

Princess Diana's Life Lesson Number was a 25/7. Interesting to note here that according to Gordon Michael Scallion Princess Diana was Joan of Arc, in a previous life. Talk about syncronistic, there is a movie about her this Sunday Night on TV. At the same time he said this, he also said Mother Theresa was Mary Magdaline, in a previous lifetime. This was right after they both had died. Anyway, Princess Diana's Life Lesson number was a 25/7.

25/7 as a personal number vibration: You are strongly intuitive and often have prophetic dreams. You may be clairvoyant as well. These are qualities you have developed by overcoming many obstacles. Your early years may have been difficult, and these trials may have helped you overcome instability. You had to awaken to the truths within and thereby acquire wisdom. What others see in you as intuition is merely a developed talent of observation and attention to details, which allows you to piece together the whole and arrive at conclusions much faster than others. If past experiences have not taught you to develop these qualities, then you should begin now; otherwise, your impulsive nature can turn challenging situations into conflict.

You have an alert, energetic mind, which always seeks new enterprises, ideas and locations. You like nature and may prefer to live in the country rather than the city, perhaps near the water. Your adventurous disposition tends to make you more mobile than most, and you may often change your place of residence to fulfill this wanderlust.

A pioneering spirit and a quest for knowledge bring out the fiery missionary zeal within you, and you become a spiritual crusader. Remain alert to various ways to overcome the obstacles you will meet and work hard to follow through with the job; then you will achieve leadership in any business or enterprise you embrace.

If you express the negative 25/7 it will cause conflict and a loss of energy. The job never gets done. Laxity and unfulfillment can then bring on cruelty.

Tarot Symbolism: Knight of Wands. The Knight is dressed in his suit of armor and is riding to the conquest. This indicates his burgeoning thoughts about a new enterprise and his desire to win. His crusade could be a search for truth, because his weapon is the wand of divine power. The salamander symbol on his robe indicates his ability to handle the fiery energy.

Astrological Correspondence: Spring (Aries, Taurus, Gemini). The Knight of Wands presides over the spring season, from the time that the Sun enters the sign Aries until it reaches the summer solstice at 0 degrees of the sign Cancer.

The Sun is exalted in Aries, and its power awakens new life as nature responds to its warming rays. Like nature, at this time of year you gain strength through mastering obstacles. There can be difficulties as you struggle to meet the Sun's promise, but you persevere through hard work.

Greetings, Alice! Welcome home. There was a lengthy article in last week's local newspaper about Joan of Arc. Interest in Joan is piqued once again because of the upcoming movie about her life. One of our local private universities many years ago received as a gift a chapel called the "Joan of Arc Chapel" which was taken apart stone by stone in France, shipped here and reconstructed. It is called Joan's chapel because reputedly one of the stones now built into a devotional niche was once knelt upon by the saint. Well, I don't know about that, but there has been a small hardcore group of people who year after year devotedly tend the Chapel, look after its maintenance, plant pretty flowers outside, etc. etc. Masses are held there every morning. It is an old fashioned chapel, no pews for the worshippers to sit nice and comfy in while the mass is taking place. That Diana was Joan I can well believe; that Mother Theresa was Mary Magdeline I don't buy for one second, snort!

I am still at work on the Pan Magic Square of 8 magnitude. Will post about it perhaps tomorrow! John, as you noted earlier, the number 8 has a special significance for me. I recently ran across a very early post that Mark did that showed my name, "Jan Newton" reduces to an 8 in "9" numerology. I had forgotten all about that until again reminded the other day. The "8" is also the number of The Game. The number 8 has shown up in my life in a number of significant ways, not the least of which is the fact that I was born in the 8th month of the year, as was my father, and his father. It was, in fact, the "8" which led me to this message board, having been intrigued by the creator's premise (after having read Katherine Neville's novel "The Eight", in which the The Game plays a prominent role) that The Game is that of the Goddess.

Yes, Mark. Oxygen. Pi agrees. You gotta have your greens if there is going to be a "God's and Goddesses Green Earth". And that brings us back to "do" i.e. - oxygen - a pivitol point - an intermediary on the "scale" of life located somewhere between "organic" and so called "inorganic" structures. Middle Sea.

We must therefore inquire of Isis - "the great fish of the Nile" as to the whereabouts of "The Green Man". Find him and we might have the beginnings of a quite a salad. Mediterranean cooking at its finest.

H2+C13+O2 = 8

Thank you Isis.

"So, who is the Green Man? The answer to this riddle is certainly not straightforward.....Some theologians like Rabanus Maurus (8th C) said they represented the sins of the flesh- lustful and wicked men doomed to eternal damnation. This seems to be a long way from the meaning they must have held for those who used them on the memorials to their dear departed six centuries previously: In fact, they continued to be used as tomb carvings long after the church masons stopped using them inside their buildings.

This link with death has led some to describe the Green Man as the symbol of the natural cycle of mortal life- birth, life, death, decay. To Christians it is this cycle that the soul can overcome, with Faith. To some others the cycle continues - from decay back to the soil, to food from the soil, back into life - a symbol of the continuous regeneration of life and the interdependance of all things."

"It is known that stonemasons drew on many pagan themes for their decorations but we have few pointers as to the meaning behind this particular figure. Sometimes a Green Man carving is given a particular title- Silvanus (god of the forest) at the Abbey of Saint Denis, France; and Okeanus (both god of the sea and a satyr) in Mundanya, Istanbul.

This has led many to seek clues in myth, legend and religion. John Barleycorn - celebrated in song - shows the same themes of death and rebirth, as does the Green Knight in the Arthurian story of Sir Gawain. Medieval legends of the Wild Men- dressed in leaves, living in the forest and venturing forth to take food, have been connected with the Green Man. In some stories of Robin Hood - the robber and hero dressed in green - he attains godlike status and links with the Horned God Herne. Present-day Western pagan thought identifies the Green Man as the symbol of the qualities of godhood within the male, as well as being an expression of the life/death/rebirth cycle and its relationship with the transcendent life-force, the Goddess, the female expression of godhood.

His re-adoption by some present-day morris sides as the Fool reflects the seasonal nature of the morris, its roots in fertility celebrations, and the nature of its male-ness."

 Jan ref 813 ... do not contain your FUN ... have a blast!

"Joan of Arc" = 38                  which is 37 + 1

Since we have mentioned green alot recently and it being related to the heart
chakra and to the goddess I decided to look at that words numerology.

"Green" = 31                            3+1=4 and heart is chakra 4

"Green Heart Chakra" = 80 = "Katherine Neville" writer of "The Eight"

"Arcturus" = 31

Look at how these number relate in the Chemistry periodic table: 31 & 80
they seem related to the Moon "Luna" and female energies:

  31st element Gallium
  It is the only metal, except for mercury, caesium, and rubidium, which can be
  liquid near room temperatures; this makes possible its use in high-temperature
  thermometers. It has one of the longest liquid ranges of any metal and has a low
  vapour pressure even at high temperatures. Ultra-pure gallium has a beautiful,
  silvery appearance, and the solid metal exhibits a conchoidal fracture similar to
  glass. Gallium arsenide is capable of converting electricity directly into coherent light.

  80th element Mercury
  Mercury is the only common metal liquid at ordinary temperatures. Mercury is
  sometimes called quicksilver. It rarely occurs free in nature and is found mainly in
  cinnabar ore (HgS) in Spain and Italy. It is a heavy, silvery-white metal. It is a rather
  poor conductor of heat as compared with other metals but is a fair conductor of
  electricity. It alloys easily with many metals, such as gold, silver, and tin. These alloys
  are called amalgams. Its ease in amalgamating with gold is made use of in the recovery
  of gold from its ores.

 Everyone I just found this arcticle this morning and thought it appropriate since this message
board is about Chess and the Goddess. Chess has military strategy and Wicca is associated
with tthe Goddess. Looks like the effects of the dawn of the new age are taking root : )

US Army Now Appointing Witchcraft Chaplains To Do Pagan Rites On Bases By Ben Fenton 5-15-99 The United States army has recognised white witchcraft as a religion  and has appointed chaplains to oversee pagan ceremonies on at least  five bases.   A Pentagon spokesman said yesterday that there were believed to be  at least 100 witches attending covens at Fort Hood, Texas, the  army's largest base with more than 42,000 troops. So respectful has  the army become of the pagan rites that security was increased at  Fort Hood's Boy Scout camp, where covens are held.   The move is to deter members of Christian groups from intimidating  the group. The pagans, called Wiccans, are accorded the same  privileges as practitioners of Christianity, Judaism and Islam. They  are encouraged to have their religious preference stamped on the  metal dog-tags each soldier wears.   Lt Col Donald Troyer, the Seventh Day Adventist army chaplain  who has been given responsibility for Fort Hood's coven, admitted  that he was not overjoyed with his job because fellow Christian  pastors disapproved and had been "cool" towards him. He said: "It's  such a volatile subject. It just sparks a fury."   The Pentagon says it has received several requests for a posting to  Fort Hood because it has such a large pagan congregation. A  spokesman said yesterday: "We are obliged by the Constitution to  respect and make provisions for the religious needs of members of  the military and not to pass judgments on their beliefs.   The Covenant of the Goddess, which claims to represent most  American Wiccans from its base in Berkeley, California, says there  are about 50,000 followers of the faith in America. They celebrate  earth-spirits such as the "great goddess Freya" and on their altars  give blessings to water, bread and salt, the three essentials of life,  while the congregation holds hands in a circle around a large bonfire.  Their main festivals are at the vernal and autumnal equinox and at  midsummer. However, sacrifices, either human or animal, are not  tolerated. One Wiccan said: "It is not something we do."

"Green Heart Chakra" = 80; isn't it the case in numerology, Mark, that the cipher adds emphasis to the number it follows, in this number thus adding emphasis to the overriding value of the "8"? It would appear that my destiny lies in this place.

Trusty old Merriam Webster's New Collegiate gives the following definition for "morris"

[ME moreys daunce, fr. moreys Moorish fr. More Moor) + daunce dance]: a vigorous English dance performed by men wearing costumes and bells.

Interesting connection to the "Moors", n'est ce pas, which would appear to hark back in time to some of the original settlers of merry old England's south and west coasts, who came from the middle east via northern Africa, across the Strait of Gibraltar, up through Spain and France and thence across the English Channel, circa 1500 BCE or thereabouts; another stream of settlers talked about in prior posts were the Tuatha de Danaan, who came originally from Greece (the Danoi) via Denmark and thence across the sea to the east coast of England (approximately the same time period).

This definition brings to mind the Grecian mysteries that included the Dionysian revelries - the climax (a rather apt word to use in connection with these mysteries, LOL!) of which involved frenetic dancing ending in sexual orgy; and the "whirling dervishes", of whom I know absolutely nothing except that they spin themselves into esctacy via the dance.

I don't know if the dervishes have any connection to a goddess ceremony, but the Dionysian mysteries certainly do - they were (still are?) performed primarily by women and when the women were about this business no man was safe; from what I understand, any male caught out of doors during the height of the femmes' frenzy was apt to be pressed into service, first sexually and then as a sacrifice, literally torn apart limb from limb! EEK! One of Dinonysus' incarnations is that of the "corn god" and the mysteries were designed to both invoke the power of and celebrate fertility through his connection with his goddess consort.

 Jan ref 839 ... interesting the Mayans had a "Corn God" they used Jade to symbolize
young corn (maize) which is green the same color as our heart chakra.  The Corn God
is also called "Ah Uaxac Yol Kauil" here is what each part of the name means:

Ah            = He
Uaxac      = 8
Yol            = Heart of
Kauil        = abundance and sustenance

The Corn God is associated with the "break" handsign in mayan drawings indicating
realtionship with birth. Corn also related to gold.
 

I have been playing with John's Pan Magic Square of Eight Magnitude! This one behaved in unexpected ways, causing Xena's eyebrows to crinkle in consternation. (I hope I can get this to line up right - bear with me, the last post didn't work and I had to delete and start all over again, sigh).

These are the number intervals for the horizontal rows, starting at the top, reading from left to right:

1. 9, 57, 9, 7, 9, 7, 9

2. 11, 59, 11, 5, 11, 5, 11

3. 7, 55, 7, 9, 7, 9, 7

4. 5, 53, 5, 11, 5, 11, 5

5. 3, 51, 3, 13, 13, 13, 3

6. 1, 49, 1, 15, 1, 15, 1

7. 13, 61, 13, 3, 13, 3, 13

8. 15, 63, 15, 1, 15, 1, 15

While there is no discernible pattern in the horizontal rows, such as match-ups between row 1 and 5, 3 and 7, for example, correlations jumped out when I lined the intervals up vertically, where I certainly did not expect to find any!

The intervals for the vertical rows behaved in a more expected manner! I will post them tomorrow.

Well, I just previewed this post and the columns did not line up right. Oh well, too tired to putz with it tonight. Hope you all can see the patterns!

 Jan ... I put your 841 numbers into a table 
 

9	57	9	7	9	7	9	?
11	59	11	5	11	5	11	?
7	55	7	9	7	9	7	?
5	53	5	11	5	11	5	?
3	51	3	13	13	13	3	?
1	49	1	15	1	15	1	?
13	61	13	3	13	3	13	?
15	63	15	1	15	1	15	?

Thanks, Mark. I still haven't figured out how to format these posts - everytime I try something it doesn't work.

In case I wasn't clear in my explanation of what these numbers represent, they are the differences between the numbers in each of the horizontal rows of John's Magic Square, starting with the top row; therefore, there is no 8th column of numbers. For clarity's sake let's call each of the columns in Mark's table a through g. All columns except b contain the odd number count 1 through 15; row b itself is interesting because it contains the odd number count 49 through 63. Columns a, c and g are identical. Column e is almost a match - I will have to check my math and make sure I didn't make a subtraction error because it almost seems as if it should match a, c and g. Columns d and f also match each other.

BTW, Mark, I suppose I should not be surprised that there is a Mayan corn god who just happens to have green as one of his colors and the number eight in his name, LOL!

More later.

 Jan ref 843

>All columns except b contain the odd number count 1 through 15

1 + 3 + 5 + 7 + 9 + 11 + 13 + 15 = 64    (chess squares)

The first 8 Odd numbers sum to 64.    Interesting.
How about the first 8 Even numbers?

2 + 4 + 6 + 8 + 10 + 12 + 14 + 16 = 72     (64+8)
 
 

Mark, that IS interesting about the odd numbered interval-derivatives adding up to 64. What a coincidence! Very good - I didn't think to sum the columns.

 Jan if you liked the 1 thru 15 equaling 64 then you will probably L O V E  this:

1 + 3 + 5 + 7 + 9 + 11 + 13 + 15 + 17 = 81

81 of course relates to the Goddess Isis and is 9 x 9 then we look
at it in the mirror and we get 18 which "Love" = 18 in 9 numerology.
"Green Heart Chakra" = 80 and we add the "1 = Unity of All" to get 81.

Now let us mirror things inward toward our heart with these numbers
18 & 81 and they become 818 which is 18 going <-both-> directions out
of the center and we also see 8+1+8 = 17 which is what we added above
to 64 to get 81 and of course 17 = 1+7 = 8
 
 

Harking back to my posts 842 and 843, I did make a math error in column e: it is an exact match for columns a, c and g. Did an earlier post responding to Holmes' 846 but got interrupted so I don't know if I finalized it or not! If it doesn't show up by tomorrow morning I will do it again. Good night, big time electrical storm coming right this way and most definitely do not want to be online when it hits!

Hi everyone,

have been working on the 8x8 magic square in the last two days. The method I've been using is based on the mutltiple of 4x4 square, specifically on the multiple of the Durer 4x4. I may not be able to explain the entire process tonight and it also will take more than one post.

If you think these posts are not appropriate to this folder, let me know and I will desist. Bear in mind also that as I do not know much of html language the square may not appear as I would want them to appear.

I will adopt the following definitions to indicate a given square in the grid:

R## = row number (from top to bottom) C## = column number (from left to right)

eg, R1,C3 would mean the square at row1, column3

STEP 1: Draw a 4x4 square

a)construct a 4x4 grid and draw two diagonals; one diagonal to start at R1,C1 and to end at R4,C4; the other diagonal would start at R1,C4 and end at R4,C1. It should look as such:

D B B D

B D D B

B D D B

D B B D

where D= diagonal; B= blank square

STEP 2: fill in the numbers from 1-16 (you may wish to start with a different digit if you prefer.)

a. start from the top row and going left to right; start counting from 1-16 and place a number on a square that is not on the diagonal. Therefore you would leave the first square blank as this square is on the diagonal, but you would place the 2 on the second square and the 3 on the third square, etc. Continue this procedure until you have placed the 14 and 15 in the middle of the bottom row. The half-filled square should now look as such:

B 2 3 B

5 B B 8

9 B B 12

B 14 15 B

where B = blank

b.now starting from the top, and going from left to right, start filling in the rest of the numbers but in reverse order this time (16-1). Therefore, you would place the 16 on the first square of the top row, the 13 on the fourth square of the top row, etc. Now the square should be complete and it should look as such:

16 2 3 13

5 11 10 8

9 7 6 12

4 14 15 1

Each of the above numbers represents a 2x2 grid which will be filled in with the numbers 1-64. For instance, we would start at the number 1 position in the bottom row and replace it with the digits 1,2,3,4. We will then fill in the number 2 position on the top row with the digits 5,6,7,8 until we have exausted all 64 digits. We will then manipulate the new 8x8 square by transposing rows or columns, or just switching series of numbers until the square is a magic square. I suggest you use a spreadsheet program as it would be of tremendous help in the contruction of magic square.

Until next lesson :).

Greetings, John. You explained that very well, I think, since I understand it! The principle is one of substitution of the smaller for the larger square grids. Cool! However, don't ask me to dink around with a spreadsheet program. I can type and do some basic things with this contraption, but that is about it. What did people do in the "old" days before computers - was it pretty much as I suspected, a matter of trial and error until one came up with satisfying combinations?

As for fitting in here, of course your information fits in. The Game incorporates many elements of mathematics, perhaps in ways we have not as yet even deduced and talked about. So keep on with the Magic Square instruction by all means. Besides, I sure would like to make one of the suckers for my own self, just to be able to say I did one, LOL!

 Ref John's post 848 I took step 1 and added some color and wall'ah look what we
see recall the pattern of the center of the chess board from our posts a while back that
occupied all the squares below except the 4 outside "D" corners?
 

D	B	B	D
B	D	D	B
B	D	D	B
D	B	B	D

We also see our Knight(ess) move in this pattern note the color change when we take the
90 degree turn. In the Flower of Life coloring book  website I sent out there is one drawing
called The Seed of Life and it has 8 circles that represent the first 8 cells of the human body.
When we add the mirrors (male,female) thru multiplication or addition we get Chess numbers.

8 + 8 = 16        (number of pieces)
8 x 8 = 64         (number of squares)

Now we see how John's info does connect very well with Chess and indeed should
be part of our discussion. By the way 16 + 64 = 80 = "Green Heart Chakra" and
(1+6) + (6+4) = 17 (reread post 846)

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